Are only Islamists terrorists?

[sandnsea]

I read this and about blew my cork, this is my post and is totally taken out of context. I don't believe terrorism from Islamists is our only concern. I don't believe 'they hate us for our freedoms'. I don't believe Islamists are trying to kill us because we're Christians. I believe they hate us because we're assholes. They hate us because of globalization policies that support local militaries that kill citizens in order to keep the pipeline running. I believe they hate us because we do in fact favor Israel over Middle Easterners. I believe they hate us because we suck every penny out of foreign countries and leave the people destitute. So when I talk about standing up for the millions of workers around the world, I'm talking about those 'brown skinned' people who are victims of corporatization as much as we are. And I think if anybody thinks Islamist extremists are the only terrorists we will ever have to be concerned about, they're living in Ann Coulter world.

"If we don't stand up for ourselves, nobody else will and nobody will stand up for the millions of workers around the world who keep getting shit on by these corporations. Those workers come and kill US when they're pissed. Maybe it's time people start speaking up about the real lesson of 9/11. " From a thread about Indians taking jobs.

WOW! This klansmen reminds me of the racist bigots beating up Mexicans because they think 'brown = arab'.

Ok Mr. Racist. Yes, the Indians come to the US and kill us when "they're pissed". Yea, that happens ALL the time. They are brown, therefore they simply MUST be Islamic terrorists.

This is the kind of bull shit hate groups spout all the time, and I fail to see why it is allowed at here. Maybe these people are just attracted to the white color scheme of DU.

[catzies]

1. No.

1. Eric Robert Rudolph
2. Timothy McVeigh

[chiburb]

2. No. Rumsfeld & Bush. n/t

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[Avalux]

3. No.

Anyone can be a terrorist. Anyone.

[el_gato]

4. that term

TERRORIST

This term is used to define those who fight back against you.
Whoever you are does not matter. Those you wish to destroy are always referred to as terrorists.

[Set]

5. Nope...

PIRA. Baader-Meinhof. Red Faction. A bunch of Japanese groups.

terrorists come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and creeds.

[Blue_Chill]

6. No but your post is way off

I believe they hate us because we're assholes.

Who is us? Would us be all western nations? that is after all who they attack.

I think that's bullshit and I think it's wrong to blame 'us' for their acts of violence.

They hate us because of globalization policies that support local militaries that kill citizens in order to keep the pipeline running.

If violence towards civilians is what they hate then there are a lot of ME leaders that should be dead by now. Yet they are snug and secure because their violence against civilians is what? Somehow less violent? Please......

I believe they hate us because we do in fact favor Israel over Middle Easterners.

and bingo was his name-o

believe they hate us because we suck every penny out of foreign countries and leave the people destitute.

More then their own leaders? HAHA! SUUUUUUURE!

So when I talk about standing up for the millions of workers around the world, I'm talking about those 'brown skinned' people who are victims of corporatization as much as we are

So you defend these terrorists?

And I think if anybody thinks Islamist extremists are the only terrorists we will ever have to be concerned about, they're living in Ann Coulter world.

I wouldn't say Ann Coulter world, since I think most terrorists are either extremists. She would have you beleive liberals want to eat your babies.

You are correct, Islam is not the sole source of terrorists, but they are the currently the group that most actively seeks to harm the US. Behind them would be the good ol boys that no one likes to talk about.

[sandnsea]

9. We support those leaders

That's half the point. Corporations take the money out directly with one hand and the U.S. military and foreign aid props up the corrupt leaders with the other. Criminy, it's not that complicated.

And if you don't look at your own behavior, you can never change anything anyway. Your theory that we shouldn't 'blame' ourselves for terrorism is the equivalent of a slaveholder blaming the slaves for running away or rising up. Never mind what massa's doing, the slaves should follow the rule of law.

[MaverickX]

13. actually you blaming America for terrorism..

Is like the KKK justifying their terrorism by saying blacks are taking the jobs of white people. You're justifying terrorism just because the terrorists are of a "victim group".

[Blue_Chill]

15. Oh please

You are buying into a silly myth. Osama is a flat out racist. He hates our culture corrupting the minds of what he hopes will be future bearded wife beaters. That is why he supported the Taliban that enforced the fact that women are to be owned and not respected.

Osama says - "I want no westerners in the ME"
The KKK says - "I don't want n*gg*rs in joe-gia"

They are about the same yet we assume that Osama has good reasons for his hatred? Please.....

Osama's a clan member with a different hat. No more no less.

[jagguy]

11. well said

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[MattNC]

7. School of the Americas graduates n/t

[MaverickX]

8. you're being pretty broad..

I don't think anyone has said only Islamic extremists are terrorists, they are probably the biggest state supported terrorists. You're right though, Al Qaeda doesn't hate us because we're Americans they hate us for the influence we have in the world.

I think it's silly for you to say Al Qaeda hates us because we support tyranny and they don't. They don't oppose U.S. support of tyranny, they oppose our support of secularism. They sure didn't mind U.S. interference in Afghanistan in the 80s when we helped set up an Islamic theocracy dictatorship.

[sandnsea]

10. The American 'influence' is tyranny

Amazing how many people complain about corporate money in politics but don't see the connection around the world and that tyranny is the only result if it isn't stopped.

And yes, the post to which this is all referring did say 'They are brown, therefore they simply MUST be Islamic terrorists', as if we only ever need to worry about Islamist extremists.

And I wasn't speaking to al qaeda at all. I was speaking to the conditions that breed terrorism. It's talked about every day by every politician. Even dumb old Georgie says third world poverty creates a breeding ground for terrorism, not very loudly but he says it. And because rebel groups will take arms from the U.S. doesn't mean we should have supplied them. But Ronnie was going to defeat the evil empire and didn't have the foresight to see the problems that would arise from his proxy wars and arms all over the world.

And Europe has as many corporations around the world as we do, doing the exact same sorts of things. No matter how they try to paint themselves.

[MaverickX]

12. hmm...

So is it corporations or the U.S. government? You don't think Arab corporations screw their own people? Actually there's a great argumment that oil socialism, not American capitalism is what fosters Arab tyranny.

[MaverickX]

14. also...

American corporations selling products in Saudi Arabia isn't tyranny, it is freedom of commerce.

[niceypoo]

16. Most terrorism in the US is RIGHT WING terrorism

Anthrax, abortion bombings, olympic bombing, Oklahoma city......etc

[MaverickX]

17. since when has the anthrax thing been solved?

Also, OKC and the Olympic park bombing weren't as detrimental to national security.

[noonwitch]

18. Isn't the Nuremburg project a form of terrorism?

Posting obgyn's home addresses and encouraging people to kill them? Isn't that terrorism? I loved it when Janet Reno used RICO to go after Operation Rescue.
The IRA aren't islamists, they are catholics. They are considered terrorists, no matter how much sympathy their cause may have on this side of the atlantic.

[Brian Sweat]

19. Not even

The Red Brigade were not Islamic.
The SLA were not Islamic.
Carlos the Jackel was not Islamic.
The IRA is not Islamic.
The people in Japan who gassed the subway are not Islamic.

[MaverickX]

21. yes but/...

The terrorists that are the biggest threat to our national security are Islamic extremists.

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20. terrorists come in all brands....

...but suicide bombers come in just one brand: Muslim. This isn't politically correct but it is a flagrant fact.

"I believe they hate us because we're assholes."

WTF? The last time I checked the average American doesn't kill thousands of people intentionally like the terrorists.

"They hate us because of globalization policies that support local militaries that kill citizens in order to keep the pipeline running."

How do you know? Have they ever attacked McDonald's? Those nations that produce Islamic terrorists have always been ruled by dictatorships. Where was the outrage for the past few thousand years?????

" I believe they hate us because we do in fact favor Israel over Middle Easterners."

That's part of it but it isn't the main reason. Israel is just a scapegoat for the monumental failure of the Arab world. At one time they were they most advanced part of the world and now look how far they've fallen. Moreover, they continue to fall even further behind.

"'If we don't stand up for ourselves, nobody else will and nobody will stand up for the millions of workers around the world who keep getting shit on by these corporations. Those workers come and kill US when they're pissed. Maybe it's time people start speaking up about the real lesson of 9/11.' From a thread about Indians taking jobs."


I don't condone that and if that post wasn't deleted by DU some questions need to be asked. That was a very ignorant post. Only 14% of Indians or Muslim. The vast majority of Indians are Hindu. Moreover, when did you ever hear of an Indian Muslim in Al-Qaeda?