"The world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein"

[kentuck]

Think back to pre-war in Iraq. We were in Afghanistan and were starting to get things under control. Few Amerians were dying. We had Saddam in a box. We had cut off the north and south parts of his country with our "no-fly" zones. But then we invaded Iraq and the world turned against us. The invasion has probably created a holy war. We are stuck in a quagmire and American troops are dying almost every day. The attacks are intensifying. Even the most secure areas are now being hit by the Resistance. The war has now spread to Saudi Arabia. Car bombs have made a dramatic return to warfare methods. And they tell us that the world is a safer place without Saddam Hussein. I'm starting to have my doubts.

[WindRavenX]

1. Haven't even found Saddam

Oops.

[reprobate]

6. Don't have to 'find' saddam. We know where he is.

It's been reported that saddam was airlifted by our air force from bagdad on the day we took over the airport, maybe the day after.

It was reported by an independant filmmaker that saddams entourage was in a convoy of limos which were taken aboard a number of cargo planes and flown out. ON EDIT--no link for filmmaker. I saw it on FreeSpeech TV yesterday.

You may recall that osama bin missing was almost captured in afghanistan mountains. Special forces had him cornered and reported to headquarters. They were told to stand down and several minutes later helicopters landed and took out a number of al qaida men, of which osama was supposed to have been one.

I have a sawbuck that says they are both now in some cia safehouse, winning and losing millions to each other at poker.

How do you know KKKKarl Rove is lieing? Bush's mouth is moving.

[jonoboy]

2. a bit of creative thinking from the CIA ( who do it so well)

and we could have had a coup in Iraq and let the country intact.

[Jacobin]

3. That is simply an overt LIE

Osama's henchmen are in Iraq rounding up support to overthrow the western occupiers.

Saddam ran a socialist dictatorship that was unfriendly to fundamentalists.

We WILL be kicked out and Iraq will turn into a fundamentalist islamic regime that will have reason to hate the west for bombing it, sanctioning it, and abandoning it (which we will).

Smirky has increased problems in the world by invading Iraq.

[Walt Starr]

4. My answer: BULLSHIT!

More Iraqis are dying daily in U.S. occupied Iraq than did during Saddam's reign of terror.

The terrorist threat against the U.S. is greater now than it was before this misadventure.

No, the world was better off letting the tin pan dictator rule his ever shrinking realm of control.

[Deja Q]

5. What control?

I still think the Taliban were fighting the economic tyrrany of the United States. They dd not want the oil pipeline going through, and don't forget Herr Cheney's secret energy meetings that Con-artist Rice claims contained nothing wrong (so why not show them?) And if the oil biz didn't want the oil pipeline, I'm sure Afghanistan would have continued to have been ignored in the world. Typical US policy; don't help anyone unless you get something juicy out of the deal.

But you're right on ALL your points. Every single one of them.

We need to remember to thank Bush by noty just voting in 2004, but finding any way to get the people concerned *now*. A leaflet campain or something, but we need to organize and do the job our elected officials won't.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

7. Oh yes

It's so much safer, in fact, that Tom DeLay wants to put his Republican convention buddies on a fucking boat as opposed to letting them stay in hotels in Manhattan.

[rustydog]

8. They also say things are going well in Iraq

and Hostess says Twinkies are filled with wholesome creamy goodness!
George Bush said he would return integrity and honor to the White House.
Just because they say so, doesn't necessarily make it so.

[nostamj]

9. uh, don't forget....

we're also BOMBING again......... major combat operations have resumed!

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Laurence Binyon, For the Fallen (9,21,1914)

With proud thanksgiving, a mother for her children,
England mourns for her dead across the sea.
Flesh of her flesh they were, spirit of her spirit,
Fallen in the cause of the free.

Solemn the drums thrill: Death august and royal
Sings sorrow up into immortal spheres.
There is a music in the midst of desolation
And a glory that shines upon our tears.

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncountered:
They fell with their faces to the foe.

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

They mingle not with their laughing comrades again;
They sit no more at familiar tables at home;
They have no lot in our labour of the day-time;
They sleep beyond England's foam.

But where our desires are and our hopes profound,
Felt as a well-spring that is hidden from sight,
To the innermost heart of their own land they are known
As the stars are known to the Night;

As the stars that shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain;
As the stars are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end they remain.

[LeahMira]

10. Iraq exchanged one "evil-doer"...

... for another.

One, Two, Three, What Are They Fighting For?
--Robert Fisk

"But on the ground in Iraq, Americans have a licence to kill. Not a single soldier has been disciplined for shooting civilians—even when the fatality involves an Iraqi working for the occupation authorities. No action has been taken, for instance, over the soldier who fired a single shot through the window of an Italian diplomat's car, killing his translator, in northern Iraq. Nor against the soldiers of the 82nd Airborne who gunned down 14 Sunni Muslim protesters in Fallujah in April. Nor against the troops who shot dead 11 more protesters in Mosul. Sometimes, the evidence of low morale mounts over a long period. In one Iraqi city, for example, the "Coalition Provisional Authority"—which is what the occupation authorities call themselves—have instructed local money changers not to give dollars for Iraqi dinars to occupation soldiers: too many Iraqi dinars had been stolen by troops during house raids. Repeatedly, in Baghdad, Hillah, Tikrit, Mosul and Fallujah Iraqis have told me that they were robbed by American troops during raids and at checkpoints. Unless there is a monumental conspiracy on a nationwide scale by Iraqis, some of these reports must bear the stamp of truth.

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Here's where I found it: http://www.tikkun.org/index.cfm/action/current/article/193.html

[markus]

11. The world will not be safe until we are rid of Bush et al

Preferably, they should be kneeling 24 hours a day with a sack over their heads waiting for extradition to the Hague.

And Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and all of their proto-fascist ilk along with them.