Bob Barr on MSNBC speaking against the Patriot Act

[CatWoman]

Yes, Bob Barr :crazy:

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

1. HUH? n/t

[maddezmom]

2. normally this guy makes my want to

puke...but if he's speaking against the PA I might just be able to keep my lunch.

[DebJ]

3. MSNBC allowed someone to speak out against PA? I'm amazed.

[kentuck]

4. I thought it was Al Gore....

I had to do a double-take... !

[SaddenedDem]

5. Bob Barr has ALWAYS opposed the Patriot Act

And has spoken out against it repeatedly. He campaigned against it in 2002 as well.

I can't stand the man, but honesty forces us to admit his stand on this has been long term.

[Malva Zebrina]

6. I cannot figure out this Bob Barr conversion either

apparently he is working for the ACLU now. I agree :crazy::crazy::crazy:

[zbdent]

7. Are you sure it's not DK's "True Patriot" act?

I could see it then, but, as was pointed out, Barr opposed PATRIOT 1. (?)

[Dr Fate]

8. Barr has generally been good on 4th amendment issues...

...I really cant stand the guy, but even a broken watch is right twice a day...

[knight_of_the_star]

9. You're joking?

This is the same guy that would LOVE to see me used as kindling!

Well, adversity makes for strange bedfellows.

[Eric J in MN]

11. the show also had

That episode of "Bucnanan and Press" also had a woman who was a former assistant attorney general to advocate in favor of the Patriot Act.

She said that law-enforcement needs warrants under the Patriot Act, but left out that getting warrants under Section 216 depends on what law-enforcement "certifies" (says) and not the merits.

She also left out that people not even named in a warrant are subject to the warrant under Section 216 if law-enforcement "certifies" (says) the un-named people are covered.

The Patriot Act reduces judges to rubber-stamps who must hand out warrants instead of letting them use their judgement.

Section 216 Pen/Trap Internet Tracking

`(1) ATTORNEY FOR THE GOVERNMENT- Upon an application made under section 3122(a)(1), the court shall enter an ex parte order authorizing the installation and use of a pen register or trap and trace device anywhere within the United States, if the court finds that the attorney for the Government has certified to the court that the information likely to be obtained by such installation and use is relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation. The order, upon service of that order, shall apply to any person or entity providing wire or electronic communication service in the United States whose assistance may facilitate the execution of the order. Whenever such an order is served on any person or entity not specifically named in the order, upon request of such person or entity, the attorney for the Government or law enforcement or investigative officer that is serving the order shall provide written or electronic certification that the order applies to the person or entity being served."

[TennesseeWalker]

10. True Conservatives are our allies on the most important issue.

The American Republic. No Empire, no dictators, no police state. That's all we need to do. Ally ourselves on this one issue. Pat Buchanan and Bob Barr can help us.