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Tue Nov-11-03 10:39 PM
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If you had a Democratic Hall of Fame, who would you include? |
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If the Democratic Party had a "Hall of Fame" reserved for the best Democrats in history, and you were on the committee that elected Hall of Famers, who would you have in it?
To qualify, a candidate for the Hall would be have to either be deceased, have left politics at least several years ago, or have been US President for two terms. So, no current pols.
My hall would include, but not be limited to:
FDR JFK RFK Woodrow Wilson Andrew Jackson Thomas Jefferson Bill Clinton Paul Wellstone Harry Truman Daniel P. Moynihan Mike Mansfield
Future hall of Famers include:
Robert C. Byrd Hillary Clinton Ted Kennedy Al Gore Jimmy Carter Bob Graham The 44th President, if we win next year
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:42 PM
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:53 PM
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Future hall of famer at that.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:44 PM
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Oh, I'm sorry did you say "fame?"
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:49 PM
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8. was that fame or shame? |
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Zell the georgia rotten peach.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:46 PM
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eww, he has no place in any hall of fame
Edit: I suppose his role in the formation of the party etc would kinda put him there by default, but I cant say I think he was a good democrat by my standards at all.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:50 PM
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Hubert Humphrey !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:48 PM
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:48 PM
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One of the most powerful democrats ever. Got more legislation through than anyone. A master of Robert's Rules of Order and committee chairmanship.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:49 PM
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and future hall of famer-Jennifer Granholm.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:49 PM
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Thomas Jefferson? Surely it's not too late.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:52 PM
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can we use people who existed before or outside of the democratic party, but were great examples of the ideals the party stands for?
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:45 AM
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John Dean wasn't a Democrat was he? He belongs in the hall of fame just the same.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:56 PM
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because I can. ;) It's all a state of mind.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:52 PM
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10. Two great Texas women |
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Ann Richards and Barbara Jordan
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:53 PM
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12. We need a little color in the hall. |
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is this a closed club, brothers and sisters keep out?
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:57 PM
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of all the blood,sweat,tears and downright suffering there must be one or more that are worthy to be included.(yo baby this is a WASP club)It seem to include former KKK members and segs.
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:53 PM
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13. Barbara Jordan, Andrew Young, Anne Richards... |
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...and if non-elected folks, MLK, Jesse Jackson, Molly Ivins, and the woman who went to prison under Ken Starr rather than testify for his witchhunt against Mr. Clinton (don't remember her name).
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:56 AM
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58. Barbara Jordan was my pick as well |
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in addition to all those already mentioned. She was a very motivational speaker and a strong force in the party during the 70's and 80's.
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:00 AM
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60. hooray for Barbara Jordan! |
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I heard her speak at one of her last (maybe the last) public appearances in 1989. She was as great in person as on film.
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Wed Nov-12-03 12:43 PM
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66. Jordan was the first person that came to my mind |
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She was a great lady and leader.
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:38 AM
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63. Ann Richards... HERE HERE!!! |
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Wed Nov-12-03 04:14 PM
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was jailed during the Whitewater investigation.
In addition to all the political leaders,
The Internet and Every site that brings the truth to the people and gives me a place to vent!
Consortium-Robert Parry Greg Palast Tom Paine Bartcop Helen Thomas Bev Harris Joe Conason Mike Malloy C-Span The families of 9/11
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:54 PM
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14. Joe Trippi, Howard Dean |
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sorry, I was playing the role of a Deaniac.
But seriously; Franklin Roosevelt, Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy Future Hall of Famer for being first woman president ever: Hillary Clinton
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:54 PM
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:55 PM
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:55 PM
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17. ...and Thurgood Marshall |
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Tue Nov-11-03 10:55 PM
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18. Senator Alan Cranston and Bella Abzug |
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Favorite Bella quote:
Our struggle today is not to have a female Einstein get appointed as an assistant professor. It is for a woman schlemiel to get as quickly promoted as a male schlemiel.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:00 PM
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21. Do they have to be elected or can I include |
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people like Franken, Hightower, Raal, Ivins? They are good dems.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:02 PM
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Four-term Senator from Missouri, most famous for his confrontation with McCarthy during the hearings.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:05 PM
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It's not too strong to say Adlai saved the world. (So did JFK.) I'm talking about the Cuban Missile Crisis and his masterful diplomacy in the United Nations.
Could you imagine George W. Bush and John Negroponte in the same circumstances? We'd all be dead and irradiated by now.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:06 PM
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24. Future Inductee: Congressman John Lewis |
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A civil rights hero and a gentleman. Dark horse possibility for Vice President this cycle.
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Wed Nov-12-03 12:17 AM
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41. good call! I second Lewis |
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:07 PM
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And many of the others mentioned.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:11 PM
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26. Future Inductee: Jesse Jackson |
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I still get chills when I remember the "I'm qualified" speech at the Democratic National Convention. Not to mention his diplomatic, human rights, civil rights, and voter registration achievements.
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Wed Nov-12-03 04:21 PM
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71. I would put him in now. |
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He was the progressive's candidate during the bleak Reagan years.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:12 PM
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28. Well, they say Lincoln would've been a Democrat nowadays... |
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:13 PM
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29. Future Inductees: James Carville and Paul Begala |
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Helped give voice to Democratic principles for a decade, and they're still at it.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:20 PM
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30. George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy, Fiorella LaGuardia. |
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LaGuardia, as an honorary Dem because "Fiorella LaGuardia, a Republican mayor of New York, who once said, "There is no Democrat or Republican way to pick up the garbage in New York."
And, that's a great way of looking at things.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:25 PM
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31. Justice Thurgood Marshall |
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He's on a very short list for "Greatest U.S. Supreme Court Justices of All Time."
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:27 PM
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Longest tenure as Speaker of the House from the 1930's to the 1960's (excluding the brief blip of Republican rule in the 40's). Helped FDR pass much of the New Deal legislation and came out for Stevenson even when the conservative southern caucus pulled for Eisenhower. Was very good friends with Truman. When he died in 1961, he had only 15,000 dollars in his savings account, becuase he had resisted all inclinations to take special interest money and dishonor his speakers position.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:30 PM
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33. Democratic Strategist Paul Tulley |
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I don't know how many people remember (or met) Paul, but I heard him speak in 1990. He's listed on those sicko "Clinton Body Count" web sites because he died unexpectedly in 1992 during the Clinton campaign. He was a gentle yet passionate man, and he taught a generation of politically active Democrats how to campaign and how to communicate. (Unfortunately he didn't teach enough of them. :-))
So if you're looking for a recent unsung hero -- one of the "stage hands" that made other people look and sound good -- he'd be an excellent choice.
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:34 PM
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34. Don't Forget the First Ladies |
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There are so many great ones and even a few exceptional ones that stand out in my mind:
- Eleanor Roosevelt - Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis - Rosalyn Carter (future inductee) - Dr. Judith Steinberg (future inductee)
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:41 PM
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35. Hooboy. G McGovern, Jesse Jackson, and (bear with me) |
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Eisenhower, (not a Dem, but for his prescient warning about the "military-industrial complex), for future: Gary Hart, Dan Inoue (sp?) Scoop Jackson, Max Cleland, Ann Richards.......running out of memory here, like Windows. I'll post this before my brain goes softer..
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:42 PM
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36. Woodward and Bernstein |
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Wed Nov-12-03 09:17 AM
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Chairman of the Watergate Hearings
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:42 PM
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37. Max Cleland! Future Inductee. nm |
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Tue Nov-11-03 11:43 PM
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38. Future Inductee: Senator John Glenn (and More) |
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I also think Senator George Mitchell merits consideration as a future inductee.
How about Sam Rayburn? He served as Speaker of the House from 1940 until his death in 1961, except for two brief interludes when the Republicans controlled the House. (At those times he served as Democratic Minority Leader.)
Let's also add Harvey Milk to the list. He was the first openly gay person elected to the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, and he was shot eleven months later for that reason. He's a good pick for state and local government, which we certainly shouldn't forget.
Sam Dash is a future inductee for his vital leading role in the Watergate investigation.
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Wed Nov-12-03 12:16 AM
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40. LBJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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The Great Society wasn't built according to insructions received from a Ouiji board. Give the man some credit.
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Wed Nov-12-03 12:24 AM
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Whatever you think of LBJ, whether he was sincere or not or whether he was responsible for Vietnam, he created a domestic record second to none in the history of the United States.
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Wed Nov-12-03 07:09 AM
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45. Sen. J. WIlliam Fulbright of Ark.; Gov. Pat Brown of California n/t |
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Wed Nov-12-03 08:25 AM
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46. FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, Wellstone, Al Gore, Byrd, Ted Kennedy, Sanger, |
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MoveOn.org, DU, Mother Jones, Daniel & Phil Berrigan, Hellen Keller, Abbie Hoffman, Dorothy Day, Woodstock, Soros, Palast, and so so many others
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Wed Nov-12-03 08:36 AM
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47. Fiengold, Kucinich, Wellstone, McGovern |
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In modern times Paul Wellstone, Russ Fiengold and Dennis Kucinich stand out in my mind as being leaders not only in the stances they take but also in character.
Yes McGovern.
Even though he lost to Nixon America ended regretting that choice. Just as we are now regretting Bush. Certainly America under Gore would be a vastly different place. As would have America under McGovern.
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Wed Nov-12-03 08:47 AM
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48. Frank Church and Tom Foley |
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Frank Church was the most powerful senator Idaho ever produced and one of the best senators ever, and he was a Democrat.
Tom Foley took care of his constituents well enough that he only ran in two contested races over his long career--the one that put him in Congress, and the 1994 one where every Republican in America teamed up to put George Nethercutt in his seat. Even the Republicans in eastern Washington liked him.
Aside from that, you'd have to put in every Democratic president, just because that's what's done. And definitely Paul Wellstone.
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Wed Nov-12-03 09:27 AM
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50. Carter, the humble man who worked for all of us (nt) |
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:07 AM
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51. Here is the list ... BTW what about Tip O'Neil |
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FDR JFK RFK Thomas Jefferson Harry Truman Tip O'Neil John Glen Tom Harkin Paul Wellstone Bill Clinton
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:09 AM
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52. This celebration of Democrats feels good... |
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at a time when Republicans and press say the word "Democrat" with distaste, and would like to make it a word they think people should run from, like "liberal." I'd put our Hall of Famers up against about any Republicans, save Lincoln. Proud to be a Democrat!
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:11 AM
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53. Adlai Stevenson. Also William Jennings Bryan. n/t |
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:40 AM
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54. Waxman, Conyers, Durbin |
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plus all of the above.
Was Martin Luther King a Democrat?
Proud to be a Democrat!
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:46 AM
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became a Democrat at the 1960 election after he was incarcerated and JFK and RFK came out publicly and denounced those who imprisoned him. Nixon believed that King had received unfair treatment but didn't think saying anything would help. King appreciated the support from the Kennedys and went from supporting Nixon (along with his father) to putting his weight behind JFK and the Democrats.
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:15 AM
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62. Thanks, Josh. I figured a DUer would be able to answer my question! n/t |
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:46 AM
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TH rocks. Definitley a future hall member.
Gary Hart (forget the monkey business) and
I'd include a famous progressive who was actually a Republican, Robert LaFollate (sp?)
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:49 AM
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James Monroe, Eleanor Roosevelt, Louis Brandeis, Walter Reuther, William Jennings Bryan
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Wed Nov-12-03 10:58 AM
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59. Thomas Jefferson, Barbara Jordan, FDR, ... |
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Eugene McCarthy George McGovern Shirley Chislom Adlai Stevenson all other Democratic Presidents Philip Hart Hubert Humphrey Julian Bond Paul Wellstone Tip O'Neill George Wallace RFK Robert Byrd Walter Mondale Carolyn Mosley-Braun Jesse Jackson and many, many more.
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:01 AM
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61. Senator Ralph W Yarborough, Texas. |
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The true originator of LBJ's "Great Society" phrase. Only southern Senator to vote for both civil rights bill and the voting rights act of 1965, opposed Viet Nam, defeated HW Bush in 1964 senatorial race, sponsored three national parks in Texas, co-wrote the Endangered Species Act of 1969, was a key element in getting JFK's debates with Nixon to happen, and was almost VP instead of LBJ.
Was a close friend of JFK's, and was two cars behind him in the motorcade.
The greatest person I've ever personally known.
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Wed Nov-12-03 11:42 AM
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<<Future hall of Famers include:
Robert C. Byrd Hillary Clinton Ted Kennedy Al Gore Jimmy Carter Bob Graham The 44th President, if we win next year>>
aren't "Bob Graham" and "The 44th President" the same thing?!? ;)
still hopeful...
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Wed Nov-12-03 02:52 PM
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I'd like it if any one on that list was in contention.
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Wed Nov-12-03 03:11 PM
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There are so many:
Hubert H. Humphrey Eugene McCarthy Walter F. Mondale Paul Wellstone Bruce Vento Rudy Perpich Orville Freeman
Future Hall of Famers: Betty McCollum Alan Paige
And that's just from Minnesota
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