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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 09:28 AM
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BFEE Treasure Trove
Doubt the BFEE exists? Doubt Osama and Bush go waaay back? Doubt that the BCCI affair doesn't have relevance this election? Well, here's a virtual gold mine of Truth:

Bush, Harken Energy and links to Saudis, (Osama) bin ladin, BCCI. and drug money laundering

In 1979, Bush’s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden.

Philip Uzielli, a wealthy investor and the owner of Executive Resources, a company based first in the Dutch West Indies and later in Panama. Uzielli put $50,000 into one of the early Arbusto partnerships. In January 1982, his company bought ten percent of Arbusto's stock for a cool $1 million. The investment made Uzielli Arbusto's largest benefactor. The million-dollar purchase price was at least three times more than the stock he bought was worth. http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=431&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

Harken Energy was a Persian Gulf oil company which was formed in 1973. In September 1986, Harken Energy Corp. was a medium-sized, diversified corporation founded by Phil Kendrickthat, had been purchased in 1983 by a New York lawyer, Alan Quasha. Quasha seemed interested in acquiring not just an oil company, but the son of the Vice President. Harken agreed to acquire Spectrum 7 in a deal that handed over one share of publicly traded stock for five shares of Spectrum, which at the time were practically worthless. http://www.consortiumnews.com/2000/081500a2.html

Alan Quasha's father is William Quasha and is a Filipino banker, who had been at strong supporter of President Ferdinand Marcos. William Quasha owned 21 percent of Harken's stock. He also had advised top officials in Australia's Nugan Hand Bank, a CIA operation, which was involved in drug trafficking operations which originated in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War. http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.aspReportID=431&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

CONTINUED...

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/01-business/C-corporate-fraud/2003/01C-05-17-03-news-views-you-dont-have-to-lose.html

The link immediately above goes to the main article. It is FULL of the "Who" and "How" for those interested in stopping the BFEE. Heck, most anyone would get a real DemoDonkey kick in GOOGLING those names. Some real scary people are occupying the White House, folks. The only thing they fear is the Truth. — Octafish
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 10:49 AM
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1. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 01:50 PM
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2. Thanks DUreader!
I'm glad you see past "Octafish" to read what's worth reading.

Down with the BFEE!
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 02:09 PM
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3. Here's one of the great summaries...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:42 AM
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6. Thanks, chiburb! There's something good in most everybody...
... except, apparently, when it comes to the BFEE membership.

The REAL Dirt On Bush/Harken Scandal!!

Arbusto is an oil company Bush ran into the ground and it was acquired by Spectrum which, Bush ran into the ground and it was acquired by Harken. Bush is as "inside" as a trader gets.


by Mediafilter.org Friday July 05, 2002 at 08:46 PM

EXCERPT...

Meanwhile, a cloak-and-dagger aura surrounds Junior's business dealings. James Bath, a Texas entrepreneur who invested $50,000 in Arbusto Energy, may be a business cutout for the CIA. Bath also acted as an investment "adviser" to Saudi Arabian oil sheikhs, linked to the outlaw BCCI, which also has ties to the CIA.

Bill White, a former Bath partner, claims that Bath has "national security" connections. White, a United States Naval Academy graduate and former fighter pilot, charges that Bath developed a network of off-shore companies to camouflage the movement of money and aircraft between Texas and the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia.

Alan Quasha, a Harken director and former chair of the company, is the son of attorney William Quasha, who defended figures in the Nugan Hand Bank scandal in Australia. Closed in 1980, Nugan Hand was not only tied to drug-money laundering and U.S. intelligence and mi- litary circles, but also to the CIA's covert backing for a "constitutional coup" in Australia that caused the fall of Prime Minister Gough Whitlam.

The Harken deal with Bahrain raises another troubling question: Did the Bahrainis and the BCCI-linked Saudi oil sheikhs use the production sharing agreement with Harken to curry favor with the Bush administration and influence U.S. policy in the Middle East? Talat Othman's sudden rise to prominence in Bush administration foreign policy circles is a case in point. Othman, who sits on the Harken board as Sheikh Bakhsh's representative, didn't have access to President Bush before Harken's Bahrain agreement. "But since August 1990, the Palestinian-born Chicago investor has attended three White House meetings with President Bush to discuss Middle East policy," the Wall Street Journal pointed out. "His name was added by the White House to a select list of 15 Arab-Americans chosen to meet with President Bush, Sununu and National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft in the White House two days after Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait."

CONTINUED...

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/07/136245_comment.php

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paradisiac Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-03 03:43 PM
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4. I'll kick it too
I couldn't get one of the links to work, but a quick Google found me this related webpage:

Bush, Harken Energy and links to Saudis, Osmam bin ladin, BCCI. and drug money laundering
NEWS AND VIEWS YOU DONT HAVE TO LOSE
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 08:36 AM
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5. Thanks, paradisiac! Here's more HARKEN = ENRON Jr.
Really like the link, paradisiac! There's black gold there. I hope it leads to a nice orange prison jumpsuit for one crazy monkey.

Here's something from the original link that may've been lost when they reorganized their site:

HARKEN's Ivy League Underwriter

By John Dunbar

EXCERPT...

HarvardWatch, a group of school alumni and students, claims the off-the-books partnership bore a “striking resemblance” to deals made by Enron, another Texas energy concern with strong ties to Bush. The group also says Harvard sold over 1.6 million shares of Harken stock after the partnership arrangement had helped pump up the share price. Recently, citing the watchdog group, The Wall Street Journal and the Boston Globe ran stories on the partnership.

Harvard Management's initial investment in Harken was its first private placement in an energy concern. Critics have contended that the company invested because of its relationship with Bush and his father, who was president at the time of the transaction.

SNIP...

George W. Bush became a member of Harken’s board of directors on Sept. 29, 1986, after the company bought his ailing oil firm, Spectrum 7. At the time, Harken was very small, reporting about $4 million in revenue.

Its largest investor was billionaire fund manager George Soros, who hired the company to manage his own oil interests. The company’s president was Alan Quasha, a young New York lawyer with some deep-pocketed friends.

CONTINUED…

http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=465&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

Center for Public Integrity 2002 archives, including TONS of info on Bush and HARKEN:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/index.asp?L1=10&L2=70&L3=14&L4=0&L5=0&State=

A cursory GOOGLE of “Quasha” and BCCI and I saw Osama flash by more than once...

Texas Connections

In-Depth
Special to The Dubya Report


EXCERPT...

In 1984, however, George W. Bush's oil exploration company, Bush Exploration (previously Arbusto Energy) was suffering financially as sources of investment disappeared in the face of uncertainty regarding oil prices. After one attempted bailout by an oil company called Spectrum 7 faltered, Harken Energy bought Spectrum 7 for $2 million. George W. Bush received stock worth approximately $500,000 and a consulting fee of $120,000. Harken Energy was run by Alan Quasha, a New York lawyer who was also a Republican Party fundraiser. Sheikh Abdullah Bahksh of Saudi Arabia, a 16% shareholder in Harken Energy at the time, was represented by a Palestinian-born Chicago investor named Talat Othman, who served with George W. Bush on the board of Harken Energy. Othman made at least three separate visits to the White House to discuss Middle East affairs with then President George Bush. At about the same time, and just prior to the Gulf War, Harken Energy, with no previous international or offshore drilling experience, was awarded a 35-year petroleum exploration contract with the emirate of Bahrain.

Sheikh Bahksh emerged as a co-investor in the Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI), a criminal enterprise since dissolved, that existed primarily as a mechanism for obtaining political influence using Middle Eastern oil money. Bahrain's prime minister, Sheik Khalifah bin-Sulman al-Khalifah, was a major investor in BCCI's parent company, BCCI Holdings, of Luxembourg. Through its commodities affiliate, Capcom, BCCI was used as a money laundering service by drug traffickers, arms dealers, etc. BCCI's front man in the U.S., and the person chiefly responsible for its takeover of First American Bank in the U.S., was Kamal Adham. Adham is referred to in the Kerry Committee report on BCCI as having been "the CIA's principal liaison for the entire Middle East from the mid-1960's through 1979." He was also the head of intelligence for Saudi Arabia during the time George Bush Sr. was Director of the CIA.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thedubyareport.com/txconnect.html
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 02:02 PM
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7. And...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:38 PM
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11. Hiya, LC! What is the BFEE like? The Establishment?
It practically seems that way, with all the connections to Wall Street, Harvard and academia and the branches throughout the American legal system. There must be some good people, and there are. This is not a post about them, however...

QUESTIONABLE TIES

Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas


by Wayne Madsen

EXCERPT...

In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing (James R.) Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the ’80s in what has been called the “largest bank fraud in world financial history” by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the ’80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.

SNIP...

Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had “no idea” BCCI was involved in Harken’s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: “The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken—all since George W. Bush came on board—raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.” Or even the president: Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush administrations.

Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden terrorist network—making Bush a U.S. citizen who has done business with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today, bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing money directly to bin Laden. (Bin Mahfouz’s sister is also a wife of Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:14 PM
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8. Do you think GW knows Osama personally?
That is the one question I would like to ask Dubya:


Why this information hasn't gotten into "mainstream" is beyond me.

Keep up the good work Octafish. You cannot repeat this stuff to many times.


:toast:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:54 PM
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12. They ran in the same circles...
They look like they ran in the same circles, too.

Bin Laden's Family Link to Bush

By PETER ALLEN, Daily Mail

In summer 1971, Osama and Salem Bin Laden enjoyed a holiday in Sweden with some of their 55 brothers and sisters.

Yet within a few years, the two teenagers' lives had taken stunningly different turns.

As the world knows to its cost, Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and 30 years later was named the world's most wanted man. He is prime suspect in the murder of nearly 7,000 in the worst ever terrorist atrocities in the U.S. earlier this month.

Incredibly, Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother. In the 1970s, he and George W Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy http://www.famoustexans.com/georgewbush.htm oil company in Mr Bush's home state of Texas.

CONTINUED...

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushlinktobinladen.html





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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:32 PM
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18. Did Osama really diverge from his family?
There is the suggestion in the news on OBL that he broke off connection to his family, but his sister said that this is not the case, he went to family weddings and funeral's etc.

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/10/28/stiusausa01008.html

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 05:03 PM
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19. Here is a comment by OBL's sister on where he gets his money
http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a7243.htm
She also has theories about where bin Laden gets his financing. "I don't really know how much, but I think Osama has a lot of backing from Saudi Arabia, from the family money-wise."


What did Bush say about going after terrorists and the COUNTRIES that harbor them???????
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 09:50 AM
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27. Seems Bush made sure Osama got paid.
Called Off the Trail?
FBI Agents Probing Terror Links Say They Were Told, ‘Let Sleeping Dogs Lie’


By Brian Ross and Vic Walter

Dec. 19 — Two veteran FBI investigators say they were ordered to stop investigations into a suspected terror cell linked to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and the Sept. 11 attacks.

In a dramatic interview with ABCNEWS, FBI special agents and partners Robert Wright and John Vincent say they were called off criminal investigations of suspected terrorists tied to the deadly bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa. U.S. officials say al Qaeda was responsible for the embassy attacks and the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States.

"September the 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit. No doubt about that. Absolutely no doubt about that," Wright said. "You can't know the things I know and not go public."

In the mid-1990s, with growing terrorism in the Middle East, the two Chicago-based agents were assigned to track a connection to Chicago, a suspected terrorist cell that would later lead them to a link with Osama bin Laden. Wright says that when he pressed for authorization to open a criminal investigation into the money trail, his supervisor stopped him.


CONTINUED TREASON...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/FBI_whistleblowers021219.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:25 AM
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25. Grover Norquist considered part of Osama's family?
The conservative turd who "want(s) to shrink government down to a size it can be drowned in a bathtub" has EXTENSIVE ties to groups that fund terror. Seemed like such a quiet man...

From the Spitfire List, we hear:

EXCERPT...
 
1.       Beginning with discussion of Grover Norquist, the broadcast highlights the profound connections between this prominent Republican (dubbed the “Field Marshal of the Bush Plan” by The Nation magazine) and powerful Islamists connected to a series of financial organizations raided by the Treasury Department on March 20.  (For more about these raids, see FTR#353.)  Norquist is a founding director of the Islamic Institute, and his Janus-Merritt Strategies LLC is connected to the American Muslim Council.  (“Strange Bedfellows: Grover Norquist and Abdurahman Alamoudi” by Seth Gitell; The Boston Phoenix; 10/4-10/11/2001; accessed at www.bostonphoenix.com/boxton/news_features/this_just_in/documents/01848515.htm .)
 
2.       Norquist associate Alamoudi stated at an October 2000 anti-Clinton rally that he was a supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah.  (Idem.)
 
SNIP...

4.       One of the key individuals in this milieu is Khalid Bin Mahfouz, a longtime associate of the Bush family.  (Idem.)  (For more about Bin Mahfouz, the milieu of Al Queda, BCCI and the Bushes, see FTR#’s 330, 342, 344, 353, 354, 355.)
 
SNIP...
 
9.       One of the key connecting links between the milieu of Al Queda, the highest ranks of the Republican Party and Al Taqwa is the Amana Mutual Funds Trust.  (Idem.)

CONTINUED TREASON...

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f356.html
 
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 07:50 AM
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30. Yeah that story was HUGE
and explains so much. Too bad our corporate media won't tell ya about it. Now imagine if it were those close to the Clinton's or Gore's.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:29 AM
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36. Corporate McPravda wants nothing to do with Truth.
There's no money in it.

Things could be different. Imagine how rich they'd be if they got a nickle for each overlooked instance of Treason since November 22, 1963?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:29 PM
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32. This shows a continuing link between Al Qaeda, Wahabbists and Bush
from another angle.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:38 AM
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38. Axis of Evil PLUS — Saudi Arabia and Neocon Conspiracy links file
The mother of all link lodes in an assemblage of Neoconservative Conspiracy:

http://www.emjournal.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/z005.html

Is 'Bandar Bush' above the law?

Saudi ambassador to U.S. and wife linked to suspected Islamic terrorists


Matt Welch
National Post
Saturday, April 19, 2003

(Bandar) bin Sultan

LOS ANGELES - Under a draft law being circulated in Washington, D.C., right now, Americans could be stripped of their citizenship if they provide "material support" to groups that carry out "terrorist" activities. Non-citizen residents could be deported on mere suspicion of threatening national security.

Should these odious measures pass, I hereby nominate the first candidates for expulsion from the country: Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi ambassador to the United States, and his wife, Princess Haifa al Faisal.

Washington's most senior diplomatic couple -- Bandar has been ambassador for 20 years -- have been ladling out "material support," indirectly or directly or both, to suspected terrorists or their families for years.

Haifa's late father was King Faisal of Saudi Arabia; Faisal's brother Prince Sultan, now Defence Minister, is Bandar's father. The couple have contributed uncounted millions to the 300 Saudi charities that are "suspected of doling out about $4-billion every year to Islamic extremists," according to the Detroit News.

CONTINUED...

http://www.emjournal.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/may03007.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 03:37 PM
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9. Kick.
:dem:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 05:12 PM
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10. Hey, Bobby! Didya hear 'bout Haley Barbour and BCCI?
Yeh. I'm sure you did. Here's some important info for those who had not heard what the former RNC head, Bush Sr White House flunky, and now the gobnuh of Mississippi:

ED ROGERS AND KAMAL ADHAM

Introduction

In the view of the Subcommittee, the real story of Ed Rogers' involvement in the BCCI scandal has yet to be fully revealed. Rogers, a former White House Political Director, left his position at the White House in early August 1991 to start the political consulting firm of Rogers and Barbour in Washington D.C. By the end of August Rogers, who had only briefly practiced law, was offered a $600,000 contract with Kamal Adham.

Rogers was deposed by the Subcommittee in March 1992. His account of how he received the contract with Adham, who he consulted before accepting Adham as a client, and his relationship to Adham after withdrawing from the contract, are all called into question by his telephone logs, documents provided to the Subcommittee and interviews conducted by the Subcommittee.

Initial Contacts

Rogers described to the Subcommittee the events leading up to his representation of Kamal Adham. According to Rogers, in mid-August after he left the White House, a friend of his, the General Manager at the Grand Hotel, Samir Darwisch, called him to tell him that "his friend Moussa Raphael was in town looking for lawyers and asked me if I would please come by the hotel and meet him."(1) Rogers stated that he knew Darwish from "being around the hotel and events at the hotel."(2) Rogers said while at the White House he went to the hotel "once every couple of weeks." He also explained that the Hotel's owner, Joe Yazbek, had been to the White House, to discuss "events in Lebanon" with then White House Chief of Staff, John Sununu. At some point Rogers learned that Moussa Raphael was the lawyer for the Mr. Yazbek's business interests.

Rogers says that when Darwish first called him he did not mention the name Kamal Adham, but Rogers was nonetheless sufficiently interested by Darwish's invitation that he met with Raphael that same night at the Grand Hotel. According to Rogers, Raphael "provided a general overview of what was doing here on behalf of the sheik, in order to organize the sheik's legal affairs." The general overview included "the problems that were relevant to the sheik, or First American, BCCI," and, testified Rogers, at some point Raphael "must have" identified Plato Cacheris as the criminal defense lawyer for Adham.(3) In his testimony Rogers did not indicate whether Raphael discussed the Sheik's financial affairs in the United States.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/19rogers.htm


FROM ANOTHER SOURCE, a Special BFEE Bonus: Here's Haley Barbour and the NAZIs part...

EXCERPT...

By late 1996 the Swiss government was reeling from revelations, and the field of action had become the U.S. Congress. Republican Alfonse D'Amato of New York, then the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, had presented acutely embarrassing information about the Swiss banks in April and October, and hundreds of journalists from all over the world pursued him and his aides in a feeding frenzy. The Swiss were already represented by at least one prominent law firm in Washington, Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering, but clearly they needed more political muscle in the United States.

And to whom did the descendants of "Adolf Hitler's money launderers" turn for help?

The Swiss government retained the lobbying firm of Haley Barbour, the chairman of the National Republican Committee, for $20,000 a month. In a letter of agreement with Ambassador Carlo Jagmetti at the embassy of Switzerland, Lanny Griffith, Barbour's partner, wrote, "We are eager to assist the Swiss government managing the controversy arising out of allegations of Swiss banking practices before, during, and after World War II and relating to the Holocaust."

CONTINUED...

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/Republicans2.htm
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 06:39 PM
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13. Before Selection 2000, Mike Ruppert called it for Halliburton...
Halliburton Corporation's Brown and Root is one of the major components of

THE BUSH-CHENEY DRUG EMPIRE


by
Michael C. Ruppert

FTW  October 24, 2000 - The success of Bush Vice Presidential running mate Richard Cheney at leading Halliburton, Inc. to a five year $3.8 billion "pig-out" on federal contracts and taxpayer-insured loans is only a partial indicator of what may happen if the Bush ticket wins in two weeks. A closer look at available research, including an August 2, 2000 report by the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) at www.public-i.org, suggests that drug money has played a role in the successes achieved by Halliburton under Cheney's tenure as CEO from 1995 to 2000. This is especially true for Halliburton's most famous subsidiary, heavy construction and oil giant, Brown and Root. A deeper look into history reveals that Brown and Root's past as well as the past of Dick Cheney himself, connect to the international drug trade on more than one occasion and in more than one way.

This June the lead Washington, D.C. attorney for a major Russian oil company connected in law enforcement reports to heroin smuggling and also a beneficiary of US backed loans to pay for Brown and Root contracts in Russia, held a $2.2 million fund raiser to fill the already bulging coffers of presidential candidate George W. Bush. This is not the first time that Brown and Root has been connected to drugs and the fact is that this "poster child" of American industry may also be a key player in Wall Street's efforts to maintain domination of the half trillion dollar a year global drug trade and its profits. And Dick Cheney, who has also come closer to drugs than most suspect, and who is also Halliburton's largest individual shareholder ($45.5 million), has a vested interest in seeing to it that Brown and Root's successes continue.

Of all American companies dealing directly with the U.S. military and providing cover for CIA operations few firms can match the global presence of this giant construction powerhouse which employs 20,000 people in more than 100 countries. Through its sister companies or joint ventures, Brown and Root can build offshore oil rigs, drill wells, construct and operate everything from harbors to pipelines to highways to nuclear reactors. It can train and arm security forces and it can now also feed, supply and house armies. One key beacon of Brown and Root's overwhelming appeal to agencies like the CIA is that, from its own corporate web page, it  proudly announces that it has received the contract to dismantle aging Russian nuclear tipped ICBMs in their silos.

Furthermore, the relationships between key institutions, players and the Bushes themselves suggest that under a George "W" administration the Bush family and its allies may well be able, using Brown and Root as the operational interface, to control the drug trade all the way from Medellin to Moscow.

CONTINUED...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/bush-cheney-drugs.html

There's no such thing as conspiracy theory — it's an idea, a delusion, a dream, a hypothesis. OTOH, there exists evidence for conspiracy. The nastiest involves the BFEE.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:52 PM
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15. I read that last night
amazing amazing amazing

fromthewilderness.com is amazing!

amazed,
ff
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 09:47 AM
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26. "SHADOW GOVERNMENT" sounds kooky, but it's real.
Shadow Government' News To Congress

WASHINGTON, March 2, 2002

(CBS) Key congressional leaders say they didn’t know President Bush had established a “shadow government,” moving dozens of senior civilian managers to secret underground locations outside Washington to ensure that the federal government could survive a devastating terrorist attack on the nation's capital, The Washington Post says in its Saturday editions.

Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) told the Post he had not been informed by the White House about the role, location or even the existence of the shadow government that the administration began to deploy the morning of the Sept. 11 hijackings.

An aide to House Minority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said he was also unaware of the administration's move.

Among Congress's GOP leadership, aides to House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (Ill.), second in line to succeed the president if he became incapacitated, and to Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott (Miss.) said they were not sure whether they knew.

CONTINUED TO GITMO...

http://cbsnews.cbs.com/stories/2002/03/01/attack/main502530.shtml

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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 11:07 AM
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16. Here is another source indicating this
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:10 PM by elad
This material is a couple of years old and confusing without some background in the Balkan crisises. What it shows is a link between Halliburton and Al Qaeda as the latter does the dirty work to secure the region for oil production and transportation, drug money is allegedly being used to finance some of this as well as the infamous charities we've heard so much about recently.


http://www.spectrezine.org/war/Macedonia.htm

Washington's covert war in Macedonia purports to consolidate America's sphere of influence in southeastern Europe. At stake is the strategic Bulgaria-Macedonia-Albania transport, communications and oil pipeline "corridor" which links the Black Sea to the Adriatic coast. Macedonia stands at the strategic crossroads of the oil pipeline corridor. Michel Chossudovsky explains.
To protect these pipeline routes, Washington's goal is to install a "patchwork of protectorates" along strategic corridors in the Balkans. The promise of "Greater Albania" used by Washington to foment Albanian nationalism is part of the military-intelligence ploy. Amply documented, the latter consists in financing and equipping the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) and its National Liberation Army (NLA) proxy to wage the terrorist assaults in Macedonia.
The development of America's sphere of influence in Southeastern Europe - in complicity with Britain - supports the interests of the oil giants, including BP-Amoco-ARCO, Chevron and Texaco. Securing control and "protecting" the pipeline routes is paramount to the success of these multi-billion dollar ventures:.....


..A successful international oil regime is a combination of economic, political, and military arrangements to support oil production and transportation to markets. The Anglo-American consortium which controls the AMBO Trans-Balkan pipeline project linking the Bulgarian port of Burgas to Vlore on the Albanian Adriatic coastline largely excludes the participation of Europe's competing oil giant Total-Fina-Elf. In other words, US strategic control over the pipeline corridor is intent upon weakening the role of the European Union and keeping competing European business interests at arms' length..

Who is behind the Trans-Balkan Pipeline
The US based AMBO pipeline consortium is directly linked to the seat of political and military power in the United States and Vice President Dick Cheney's firm Halliburton Energy. The feasibility study for AMBO's Trans-Balkan Oil Pipeline, conducted by the international engineering company of Brown & Root Ltd. has determined that this pipeline will become a part of the region's critical East-West corridor infrastructure which includes highway, railway, gas and fibre optic telecommunications lines........

http://greatchange.org/ov-chossudovsky,america_at_war_in_macedonia.html

....Washington's design is to eventually distance all three AMBO countries, namely Bulgaria, Macedonia and Albania from German-EU influence through the installation of full-fledged US protectorates. In other words, US militarisation and geopolitical control over the projected pipeline linking Burgas in Bulgaria to the Adriatic port of Vlore in Albania is intent upon undermining EU influence as well as weakening competing Franco-Belgian-Italian oil interests. ....
......EAST-WEST CORRIDOR 8"
The AMBO pipeline project is linked up with another strategic project entitled "Corridor 8", initially proposed by the Clinton Administration in the context of the "Balkans Stability Pact". Of strategic importance to both the US and the European Union, "Corridor 8" includes highway, railway, electricity and telecommunications infrastructure. In turn, the existing infrastructure in these sectors is slated for deregulation and privatisation (at rock bottom prices) under IMF-World Bank supervision.
Although rubber-stamped by EU transport ministers as part of the process of European economic integration, "Corridor 8" feasibility studies were conducted by US companies financed directly by the TDA. In other words, Washington seems to have set the stage for the takeover of the countries' transport and communications infrastructure. American corporations including Bechtel, Enron and General Electric (with financial backing from the US government) are competing with companies from the European Union.
Washington's design is to open up the entire corridor to US multinationals in a region situated in the European Union's "economic backyard", where the power of the Deutschmark tends to dominate over that ..........

http://www.projectcensored.org/stories/2003/10.html

www.globalresearch.ca
June 14, 2001
Title: "America at War in Macedonia"
Author: Michel Chossudovsky

July 26, 2001
Title: "NATO Invades Macedonia"
Author: Michel Chossudovsky

Faculty evaluators: Elizabeth Burch, Phil Beard, John Lund
Student researchers: Alessandra Diana, David V. Immel

The CIA destabilized the political balance in Macedonia to allow easier access for a US-British owned oil pipeline, and to prevent Macedonia from entering the European Union (EU), thereby strengthening the US dollar in a German deutschmark dominated region.

Without Macedonia in the EU, British and US oil companies have an advantage over European counterparts in building oil pipelines......

.......The fact that Al Qaeda continues to support KLA terrorist operations in Macedonia, with the full support of NATO and the US government, has been carefully overlooked. With the complicity of NATO and the US State Department. Mujahideen mercenaries from the Middle East and Central Asia were first recruited to fight in the ranks of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) in 1998-99, largely supporting NATO's war effort.

Michel Chossudovsky: Al Qaeda is CIA asset
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html


EDITED BY ADMIN FOR COPYRIGHT REASONS
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:42 PM
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20. Ollie North: "What's a little treason among fiends?"
Like oil, drug running is just another revenue stream for the BFEE. Note how even the testimony of a DEA station chief is ignored...

OLLIE NORTH AND DRUGS

By Dennis Bernstein and Howard Levine
From The Texas Observer

If Iran-Contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh had wanted to know the extent of former Colonel Oliver North's involvement in the smuggling of drugs from Central America to the United States, Walsh might have made at least one phone call to Celerino 'Cele' Castillo in San Antonio.

Between 1985 to 1991, Castillo was the Drug Enforcement Administration's main agent in El Salvador, where, he says, he uncovered "and reported" a huge drug and gun smuggling operation that was run out of the Ilopango military airport by the 'North Network' and the CIA.

North, now the Republican nominee for the U. S. Senate in Virginia, prevailed at the nominating convention last weekend by positioning himself far to the right of his rival, former Reagan budget director James Miller III, promising that if elected he will work to "clean up the mess" in Washington, and cultivating the support of the same fundamentalist Christian Republicans who responded to the direct-mail campaign to finance the North defense committee.

But Castillo, the first government official with first-hand knowledge of North's drug dealing to speak publicly about it, says North belongs in prison, not in the U.S. Senate. "We saw several packages of narcotics, we saw several boxes of U.S. currency, going from Ilopango to Panama," Castillo said.

According to Castillo, the entire program was run out of Ilopango's Hangars 4 and 5. "Hangar 4 was owned and operated by the CIA and the other hangar was run by Felix Rodriguez, or 'Max Gomez,' of the Contra operation (directed by North). Basically they were running cocaine from South America to the U.S. via Salvador. That was how the Contras were able to get financial help. By going to sleep with the enemy down there. North's people and the CIA were at the two hangars overseeing the operations at all times," Castillo said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.csun.edu/CommunicationStudies/ben/news/cia/961120.castillo.html
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 09:39 PM
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22. I've been meaning to
Edited on Fri Nov-14-03 09:40 PM by 9215
tell you about a new book by Alfred McCoy: "The Politics of Heroin. CIA Complicity in the International Drug Trade" This is about as close to a definitive work on the international drug trade as I've seen. I'm about 1/2 way through the 600 page book and am now convinced that the Vietnam War was simply about securing and controling the SE Asian drug trade as well as many of the other geopolitical proxy wars. Cuba was a hub of the drug trade until Castro took over, Nixon's drug policies screwed up the Corsican drug trade and may have been a reason why he fell out of favor with "higher ups". Then there is the Corsican link to Vietnam.McCoy goes way back to the 1700's and brings the reader to the present.

As much as I've read on this subject I am still shaking my head at how the war operations centered around turf wars in the drug trade in Vietnam. The 1970 invasion of Cambodia was immediately connected to drug trafficking. The Hmong tribesman that were vacated to Lousianna were a main supplier. A mindblower.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:04 AM
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28. Here's a REAL American Hero...DEA Agent Celerino Castillo
Thanks for the reference, 9215! I'll look for the libro. Here's some testimony from the government's own I referenced to elsewhere on the thread. You probably are familiar with the story, but DEA Agent Castillo testified to the Kerry Committe, but Congress and the Reagan-Bush Justice departments wanted ZERO to do with him. With BILLIONS available for bribery from the drug trade — think Al Capone in Prohibition — is it any wonder why?

WRITTEN STATEMENT OF CELERINO CASTILLO III, (D.E.A., RETIRED) FOR THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

April 27, 1998

For several years, I fought in the trenches of the front lines of Reagan's "Drug War", trying to stamp out what I considered American's greatest foreign threat. But, when I was posted, in Central and South America from 1984 through 1990, I knew we were playing the "Drug War Follies." While our government shouted "Just Say No !", entire Central and South American nations fell into what are now known as, "Cocaine democracies."

While with the DEA, I was able to keep journals of my assignments in Central and South America. These journals include names, case file numbers and DEA NADDIS (DEA Master Computer) information to back up my allegations. I have pictures and original passports of the victims that were murdered by CIA assets. These atrocities were done with the approval of the agencies.

We, ordinary Americans, cannot trust the C.I.A. Inspector General to conduct a full investigation into the CIA or the DEA. Let me tell you why. When President Clinton (June, 1996) ordered The Intelligence Oversight Board to conduct an investigation into allegations that US Agents were involved in atrocities in Guatemala, it failed to investigate several DEA and CIA operations in which U.S. agents knew before hand that individuals (some Americans) were going to be murdered.

I became so frustrated that I forced myself to respond to the I.O.B report citing case file numbers, dates, and names of people who were murdered. In one case (DEA file # TG-86-0005) several Colombians and Mexicans were raped, tortured and murdered by CIA and DEA assets, with the approval of the CIA. Among those victims identified was Jose Ramon Parra-Iniguez, Mexican passport A-GUC-043 and his two daughters Maria Leticia Olivier-Dominguez, Mexican passport A-GM-8381. Also included among the dead were several Colombian nationals: Adolfo Leon Morales-Arcilia "a.k.a." Adolfo Morales-Orestes, Carlos Alberto Ramirez, and Jiro Gilardo-Ocampo. Both a DEA and a CIA agent were present, when these individuals were being interrogated (tortured). The main target of that case was a Guatemalan Congressman, (Carlos Ramiro Garcia de Paz) who took delivery of 2,404 kilos of cocaine in Guatemala just before the interrogation. This case directly implicated the Guatemalan Government in drug trafficking (The Guatemalan Congressman still has his US visa and continues to travel at his pleasure into the US). To add salt to the wound, in 1989 these murders were investigated by the U.S Department of Justice, Office of Professional Responsibility. DEA S/I Tony Recevuto determined that the Guatemalan Military Intelligence, G-2 (the worst human rights violators in the Western Hemisphere) was responsible for these murders. Yet, the U.S. government continued to order U.S. agents to work hand-in-hand with the Guatemalan Military. This information was never turned over to the I.O.B. investigation. (See attached response)

CONTINUED...

http://www.csun.edu/CommunicationStudies/ben/news/cia/980427.cele.html
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-03 10:51 PM
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14. still here, not going away
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 04:25 PM
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17. Important topic
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 08:47 PM
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21. Danke, 9215! Here's what Jane's has to say 'bout Osama BLOWBACK...
It's no wonder if Bush Sr is wont to say: "You can't find good help, anymore." Wonder if Bush Jr ever heard of the Hydra?

"Blowback"

During the 1980s, resistance fighters in Afghanistan developed a world-wide recruitment and support network with the aid of the USA, Saudi Arabia and other states. After the 1989 Soviet withdrawal, this network, which equipped, trained and funded thousands of Muslim fighters, came under the control of Osama bin Laden. In light of evidence from the recently completed US embassy bombing trials, Phil Hirschkorn, Rohan Gunaratna, Ed Blanche, and Stefan Leader examine the genesis, operational methods and organisational structure of the Bin Laden network: Al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda ('The Base') is a conglomerate of groups spread throughout the world operating as a network. It has a global reach, with a presence in Algeria, Egypt, Morocco, Turkey, Jordan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Syria, Xinjiang in China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Myanmar, Indonesia, Mindanao in the Philippines, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Yemen, Libya, Tunisia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechnya, Dagestan, Kashmir, Sudan, Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania, Azerbaijan, Eritrea, Uganda, Ethiopia, and in the West Bank and Gaza.

Since its creation in 1988, Osama bin Laden has controlled Al-Qaeda. As such, he is both the backbone and the principal driving force behind the network. . . .

. . . Vertically, Al-Qaeda is organised with Bin Laden, the emir-general, at the top, followed by other Al-Qaeda leaders and leaders of the constituent groups. Horizontally, it is integrated with 24 constituent groups. The vertical integration is formal, the horizontal integration, informal. Immediately below Bin Laden is the Shura majlis, a consultative council. Four committees - military, religio-legal, finance, and media - report to the majlis. Handpicked members of these committees - especially the military committee - conduct special assignments for Bin Laden and his operational commanders. To preserve operational effectiveness at all levels, compartmentalisation and secrecy are paramount.

CONTINUED...

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jir/jir010726_1_n.shtml
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-03 10:54 PM
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23. F#*kin' A
:kick:

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:15 AM
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24. Last thing Jim "Fortunate Son" Hatfield saw published:
Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED (scroll down past all the other interesting articles)...

http://www.oilempire.us/bushbinladen.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:07 AM
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29. Let's not forget the Cuban Friends of Jebthro...
The Bush dynasty and the Cuban criminals

New book reveals links of two presidents and the governor of Florida with exiled hardliners


Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
Monday December 2, 2002
The Guardian

The brother of President George Bush, the Florida governor, Jeb Bush, has been instrumental in securing the release from prison of militant Cuban exiles convicted of terrorist offences, according to a new book. The Bush family has also accommodated the demands of Cuban exile hardliners in exchange for electoral and financial support, the book suggests.

Last year, after September 11, while the justice department announced a sweep of terrorist suspects, Cubans convicted of terrorist offences were being released from US jails with the consent of the Bush administration, according to the book, Cuba Confidential: Love and Vengeance in Miami and Havana, by Ann Louise Bardach, the award-winning investigative journalist who has covered Cuban and Miami politics for the New York Times and Vanity Fair.

The Bush family connections go back to 1984 when Jeb Bush began a close association with Camilo Padreda, a former intelligence officer with the Batista dictatorship overthrown by Fidel Castro.

Jeb Bush was then the chairman of the Dade county Republican party and Padreda its finance chairman. Padreda had earlier been indicted on a $500,000 (£320,000) embezzlement charge along with a fellow exile, Hernandez Cartaya, but the charges were dropped, reportedly after the CIA stated that Cartaya had worked for them.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,851913,00.html
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 08:01 AM
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31. Still trying to find the Armand Hammer/Ken Lay online link
Read somewhere recently how bank accounts from the early 1970s showed Hammer had been doshing up Lay since he was a kid, paying for education, holiday expenses etc because 'Ken lay is his son'.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:25 AM
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35. Thanks for the reminder! ENRON and Occidental...
The BFEE's scrubbed the story as best they can. GOOGLE turns up almost zilch — although there are a couple of Spanish language stories on the subject that may be of interest. ¡Estan cabrón!

For those new to the subject:

BUSH Sr. pardoned billionaire Armand Hammer for illegal campaign contributions to Richard Nixon. They're all crooks, Kenny Boy Lay included.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:03 PM
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45. I'm not sure of Hammer funding Ken Lay 's schooling but
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 01:06 PM by seemslikeadream
I've read at www.austand.auz.net/oznews/acrobat/oznews2_02.pdf
page 4

The Third Level

At a third and more intreguing level, 'Contagon' is about America's criminal politics in the Clinton regime, and inevitably, the reader will put Williamson's book down with the sense that Al Gore will be the next occupier of the White House.

(This, of course, did not happen: Al Gore did not become President).
Gore, who was raised to be President, has impeccable Russian connections. His father of course, Lenin financial Armand Hammer's pocket senator, and it was Hammer who paid for Al's Jr.'s espensive St. Alban's Prep schooling: and as Williamson reports, Al Jr's daughter married Andrew Schiff, grandson of Jacob, who as a member of Kuhn, Leob and Co., underwrote anti-czarist political agitation for two decades before Lenin's coup, and congratulated Lenin upon his successful revolution.

Williamson also documents Gore's intimate involvement with powerful Wall Street financial houses, and his New York breakfast meeting with mulitibillionaire George Soros ( a key Russian player) just as the Russian collapse was under way.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:18 PM
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46. Ariana Huffington provides some Big Picture for us to ponder...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 11:18 PM by Octafish
Typical! Capitalism's Invisible Army on the case for Bush Cronies....

The Bush Oil-igarchy's Pipeline Protection Package

Filed February 21, 2002

EXCERPT...

Could it be the over $9 million that Occidental has spent on lobbying since 1996 -- much of it used to push for more and more U.S. military aid to Colombia -- and the $1.5 million the company donated to federal campaigns between 1995-2000?

"It is something we have to do," said Anne Patterson, America's ambassador to Colombia. "It is important for the future of the country, for our petroleum supplies and for the confidence of our investors." Our investors? Since when is U.S. foreign policy a publicly traded commodity?

Maybe I missed the memo, but I thought the Bush administration was all about promoting the "genius of capitalism" and foursquare against the government bailing out capitalists who make bad business decisions. (Team Bush is in danger of injuring itself if it doesn't stop patting itself on the back for "doing nothing" when a desperate Ken Lay played Dialing for Deliverance with Don Evans and Paul O'Neill). And let's face it, Occidental's decision to build an oil pipeline in a country in the midst of a bloody civil war isn't exactly the kind of boardroom brainstorm that gets taught at Wharton. Indeed, even as the pipeline was being built, it was under attack. So Oxy chairman Armand Hammer cut a deal with the rebels, paying them millions to keep the oil flowing.

And now the oil-igarchy in the White House has chosen to reward this shining example of the idiocy of capitalism with a no-strings-attached corporate welfare check. Testifying before Congress last week, Secretary of State Colin Powell summed up the administration's position: "We thought a $98 million investment in Colombian brigades to help protect this pipeline is a wise one and a prudent one. What makes this pipeline unique is that it is such a major source of income." Income for whom? It's the new, improved Powell Doctrine: "U.S. military might should never be used -- unless it helps Corporate America turn a profit."

CONTINUED...

http://www.ariannaonline.com/columns/files/022102.html

EDIT: Forgot duh link...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 04:51 PM
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47. Unions Under Siege in Colombia, with US Aid
Eyewitness to Nightmare

Bogota,Colombia

Terrible outrages are happening here, funded by taxes that US working people pay.

The USO put it differently. Fifty years ago USO fought to establish Ecopetrol, the state-run oil company. Then transnational corporations(TNCs) took 8% of the profits; now they get 70%. USO is fighting against new oil contracts giving 95% of profits to the TNCs which include Amoco, Occidental, Shell and Texaco.

http://www.populist.com/02.7Hirsch.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:23 AM
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33. Babs Bush took georgie jr.
to see President Kennedy in Dallas that day. President Johnson had the car Kennedy was riding in shipped back to Washington and it was given a hard top and repainted. He used it during the rest of his time in office and so did Nixon.

Just two little facts I heard on Imus In the Morning from historian Michael Beschloss today, I had never heard before. Just thought I'd pass on. Isn't the car thing creepy?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:20 AM
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34. I've been "screaming in my pillow" all morning.
I didn't know the turds LBJ and Nixon continued to use the car. Gee. I guess LBJ did have something to do with Dallas.

Only someone with something to hide's first impulse would be to have evidence cleaned and repainted.

OTOH, someone interested in getting a murder solved would have preserve evidence. Then they'd mothball the damn car for history.

That History Channel show was something: The woman MD who stated she saw a bullet hole in the limo's windshield has been on my mind all morning.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:32 AM
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37. Come on Octafish, who did you think these people were anyway
Homicidal psychopaths have a mind that races a million miles an hour; surely you must have known that.

I keep on saying that I would put nothing past these folks and that they would sell their own mother for the right price, but nobody believes me. tisk, tisk, tisk
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:49 AM
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39. They don't surprise me. What was done still shocks me.
The image of that poor doctor describing what she knew and had to keep it inside — for her safety and that of all she loves — was very compelling. To see a most credible witness to physical evidence J Edgar Hoover chose to cover-up still enrages me and always will until the BFEE (for lack of a better term) is brought to Justice.

In the course of my work, nolabels, I have had to face people accused of cold-blooded murder — depending on the case, of friends, family and strangers. To discover that leading members of the government of the country I love are no better than the scum of the earth still saddens me.

Like you, my DU Friend, I've talked about Dallas and what's its meant to our country since I can remember. It's cost me jobs and lost me clients. Almost as sad as the government and big business crooks themselves are the large number of American people — including a fairly large contingent on DU — who don't want to listen. I hold them in a special contempt.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:16 PM
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41. I don't talk a lot of people I know about this stuff, they can't handle it
They become incredulus and just shut down. It's really amazed me many times, but now I just pass it off as the massive brain wash that has taken place. I know some of stuff is disinformation or pumped up, but then a lot of it when I find out its pretty much true, just makes my skin crawl, but got to keep on, keeping on.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:45 PM
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43. Thanks for never giving up, nolabels!
Bobby Kennedy had you in mind when he talked about "Ripples"...

Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.

Address of Senator Robert F. Kennedy: Day of Affirmation
University of Capetown, South Africa
June 6, 1966

SOURCE:

http://www.rfkmemorial.org/RFK/affirmation2.htm


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:08 PM
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40. This is fascinating
Georgie W. at the assassination?!

Well, we can probably rule HIM out as a conspirator.

Is there a link on this?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:21 PM
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42. All I know is
I heard Michael Beschloss say that very thing on Imus this morning. He didn't say where he discovered it but he did say it was new to him. He also said that the night before at a dinner Johnson said to Kennedy "I'll be glad to get you out of Dallas alive". Bescholss said that was new to him.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:02 PM
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44. Poppy might've been in Dallas, too...

These depict someone who slouches a lot and looks a little like Poppy in Dealey Plaza just after the President was shot — not that he didn't have a perfectly plausible reason for being there, seeing how the police and eyewitnesses ran into men carrying Secret Service credentials on the grassy knoll ("Conspiracy" by Anthony Summers; "Accessories After the Fact" by Sylvia Meagher).

A suggestions: Subpoena George HW Bush were to testify on his whereabouts that day and settle matters once and for all.

http://www.ciajfk.com/images/ghwb.htm

http://www.ciajfk.com/images/ghwb-2.htm



Source:

http://www.ciajfk.com/home4.html

PS: Of course, seems a lot of interesting fellahs had that slouch...David Atlee Phillips, for one...



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