Why are so many Clark supporters convinced he will win in SC?

[jeter]

Edwards is ahead. Dean is competetive. You are setting yourselves up for a major fall if you put all your chips on SC and lose it. Worse, come in third.

Wild eyes.

[La_Serpiente]

1. Maybe it's because

Clark got the endorsement of the former governor that all the Democrats were craving for.

[jeter]

3. Kerry got the endorsement of Shaheen in NH

Doesn't seem to be helping him.

Wild Eyes.

[La_Serpiente]

4. So what

perhaps South Carolina and New Hampshire are different, I don't know.

I am not a Clarkie, but I am just providing some evidence as to why Clark HAS A CHANCE in winning South Carolina.

[blindpig]

5. or perhaps

they understand that most of my fellow citizens here in SC get a hard-on for a uniform

[blindpig]

6. dupe my bad

they understand that most of my fellow citizens here in SC get a hard-on for a uniform

[meegbear]

2. Maybe he has a chance?

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

7. Edwards is ahead?

Where in his head? Dean doesn't have an office and hasn't even gotten the voter files. SC is there for the taking by Clark and anyone else. Besides, couldn't you say that for most candidates in most states? It's open, but SC is a good start for Clark. I still think he can do damage in NH.

[jeter]

11. Guys don't get me wrong

I hope he does win. Clark is number two for me. I want it to come down to Dean vs. Clark after the SC primary. The only way that can happen is if Dean wins NH and Clark wins SC.

I'm just asking a question. I want to know why so many are convinced that he will win it?

[xultar]

20. I don't think we are convinced...I'd really like to know

where you got the impression that he will win. I mean it was only 3 wks ago that his campaign manager left and everyone thought he was sinking then. It took atleast 2 weeks for him to get up and running and to start getting good press. So that leaves a week or 2 for things to get rolling.

I don't think anyone is convinced of anything right now. I was even concerned the last 2 weeks. Dean got some great endorsements and is doing quite well with primary projections. I would think that now it almost does not matter cuz Dean looks like he's gonna get the nomination.

[xultar]

8. I don't remember anyone saying that Clark had SC.

I remember saying that he had the lead in the polls. Since I've donated I'll do a search and see what I can find.
Jeter...keep close by I'll post the results.

[xultar]

13. I've done a search...Clark Win SC...

I don't see what you're talking about.

There are lots of threads where the word Clark and Win appear together but it is usually part of a word like Clark reviewing or winner or in some cases it is a person with win in their DU user name.

So where did you see that Clark supporters said that he would WIN SC?

[cally]

9. Well, Clark has to win

after the NH and Iowa primaries. I think Iowa will go to Dean or Gephardt and NH will go to Dean or Kerry. So SC is the first primary where Clark is truly competitive. I don't think Dean or Kerry is all that competitive in the South in the early primaries. I think he will win because of the military vote. If Edwards comes in third in NH then I think he will win SC.

[sleipnir]

10. SC is a non-issue

Even though it's the first southern state, it will be a non-issue with the media. They will be hooping and hollaring about NH and IA, and not really giving a damn about SC, just like in the last election. Sorry, but whoever wins will get their 15 minutes and then will probably be relegated to the index page in a history book. None of the three top contenders actually have much of a chance of getting the nomination, sadly.

[jeter]

12. No sleipnir, he has to win it

Where will he win then? He has to make a stand somewhere. If Dean wins Iowa and NH, or even if Gep wins Iowa (not a sure thing by a long shot) and Dean wins NH.

That means Clark will lose both. He has to start winning somewhere to justify his candidacy.

What's he going to say, "Nominate me, I lose all the primaries?"

[mmonk]

16. Clark is making progress in South Carolina despite

Edwards. Why do you think Edwards is bringing in Shelton? If Edwards doesn't win there, the writing is on the wall for him.

[chimpymustgo]

25. South Carolina is HUGE, just as it was for the Rethugs in 2000.

Iowa, NH, SC - the big 3. The first 3. Diverse geographically and racially. SC will indicate which, if any candidate will get most of the black vote (if it's going to be fairly monolithic - don't know about that), with 40-50% of Dem primary voters in SC being black.

It's clearly a showdown for Edwards and Clark. But again, as in NH - who get's 3rd is important. Kerry, and especially Dean HAS to show he can get some traction in the South, or there will be wholesale coalescense around a candidate who can - the anti-Dean will emerge, if Dean's campaign hits the brakes in SC.

A whole lot of shaking going on in SC.

[joshan361]

14. i never was "convinced"

but for a man that was only in the race a couple months , he is doing very well there.

btw, no disrespect but having to view that photo of you all the time is a bit disturbing

[Bertrand]

15. Clark is beating Edwards 17-10

according the last poll ive seen. Do you have evidence of a recent poll (as in November) of Edwards winning? Thanks in advance.

[jeter]

17. I'm responding to something Edwards said himself

That he was "leading in SC by double digits" and was "going to win SC primary."

[Bertrand]

19. Do you know when did he say that?

if its recently, did he provide any proof to that claim? The most recent poll (that i know of) has him down by 7 points.

[bicentennial_baby]

21. If I remember...

I think he said it was his own "internal" campaign poll

[Bertrand]

24. Ok

I think it's fair to wait until a nonpartisan provides open proof of who is winning in South Carolina.

[Bertrand]

27. Question

you stated that "Edwards is ahead" yet there isnt any open proof to this claim. Why did you say that, then?

[robbedvoter]

18. Cuz Rove&his media sez Clark who?. And polls. And knowing people's

reactions to him when he goes there. And a few other reasons

[IndianaGreen]

22. Perhaps is because Edward's campaign in going NOWHERE

and it is time for Edwards to stop wasting his time, and ours, and go back home!

[tjdee]

23. Maybe because they forgot that Clark was leading nationally for what,

a few weeks, and now Dean is leading again?

I don't think anyone can *really* claim victory anywhere right now--even though candidates are talking bunk about it (Edwards included). I mean, Clark supporters want to get all cute about 17%?? Ooohhhh, LOL, what a commanding number compared to 36 (UNDECIDED)%!

This whole race is becoming such a laugh riot.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

26. Clark ahead by 7 pts. despite not even running any ads in SC.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56352-2003Nov3.html
"CLARK TAKES THE LEAD IN S.C. This is a big deal -- both for John Edwards, though in a bad way, and for Wesley Clark, who had gone down in several other polls and needed a news boost. Over the past three weeks, Clark has rocketed up to the front of the pack in South Carolina, with 17 percent support, according to a new American Research Group poll. Edwards has spent $600,000 in ads in the state, but only reached 16 percent support in this poll before dropping back to his current 10 percent. Meanwhile Clark, who has only just begun to fight, has lept ahead of him without any advertising at all. Joe Lieberman, Dick Gephardt and Howard Dean were bunched in statistical third in South Carolina, with 8 percent and 7 percent support.

"This means we now have polls showing Clark in the lead in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, California, Illinois (among those closely following the race), Wisconsin and nationwide. He's in second place in Arizona and third in New York, where Dean leads. Dean also leads in New Hampshire, Maryland, Michigan, New Mexico (though this was a pre-Clark poll) and some polls nationwide. He is tied with or in second to Gephardt in Iowa. Gephardt leads in Illinois. Kerry does not lead anywhere that I've seen. . . .

"It's hard not to draw the conclusion from these state polls that Clark is the only one of the candidates banking on making his first strong showing in the Feb. 3 and later primary states who currently looks well positioned to do so, even if he does not yet have state infrastructures and boots on the ground.

There's been a lot of chatter in D.C. recently about how the air is going out of the Clark campaign, how Clark is melting, and so on. Even from some of Clark's most ardent supporters. I'm not certain I buy this yet."

[OKNancy]

28. Here's the American Research Group

link

http://americanresearchgroup.com/sc/

South Carolina: 10-26 to 10-30
Clark 17%
Edwards 10%
Lieberman 8%
Gephardt 7%
Dean 7%
Sharpton 5%
Moseley-Braun 5%
Kerry 4%
Kucinich 1%