I hate to say this as it makes me sad but I think Kerry is toast

[Bandit]

The Daily show is now making fun of him as of last night. I like and respect Kerry but unless he turns it around immediately he is done. IMHO When he becomes a laughing stock it is over. I sure hope I'm wrong because I think he offers a lot to the debate.

[La_Serpiente]

1. The primary isn't even here yet

there is still like 2 months left.

[bearfartinthewoods]

29. and this is the third "toast" thread in three days

should i be suspicious????

gee...nothing like killing support for an oponent than declaring him toast...over and over and over.

[PVnRT]

31. Kinda like what's being done with Dean....

"He can't win!" :eyes:

[vi5]

2. Among people I know.....

The guys who I wanted to be my top 2 candidates (Kerry and Dean) are both laughingstocks amongst my independet minded, middle of the road friends and families. And this depresses me to no end. And the head in the sand reaction to this on here saddens me just as much.

[blm]

12. Gore was made into a joke and he pulled through.

In fact, those of you who knew the overall media was deriding Gore unfairly, don't seem to mind its unfairness now, as long as it fits your political agenda for that short term primary goal.

[vi5]

14. "Those of us who knew...."

Huh? Not sure what you are saying in that post.

But I think I am smart enough to know the difference between the media's opinion of someone and the opinion of people I am close to in real life.

I wasn't talking about the media. I was talking about friends and family who were smart enough to hate the Clinton bashing, and who were smart enough to see through the media bashing Gore and still voted for both of them. These same people find nothing whatsover appealing about our top 2 candidates. And that shouldn't depress me?

[JNelson6563]

17. some cheese for your bullshit whine

Considering an implication you like to toss around is that Deanies are just "simpletons" wtih their heads up their collective ass it amuses me to see you (once again) missing the obvious.

In an hourlong interview on a public radio program in Concord on Wednesday, Mr. Kerry, who two months ago publicly chastised his campaign manager for assailing Dr. Dean, again and again turned questions about his own views into attacks on Dr. Dean, until his host finally politely asked that Senator Kerry use his time to talk about Senator Kerry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/politics/campaigns/09DEMS.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Between the 24/7 effort from some of the candidates, yours especially, to bash Dean is turning out to be Dean promotion, and that the only news that trickles out of Kerry's campaign is staff shake-ups and the like, how much media coverage do you expect?

You may loathe Dean but I hope you can be honest enough to admit the folly in constantly talking about your competition and the fact that Dean and his campaign make news time and time again.

That's the funny thing about "projection", isn't it? How the projector accuses folks of what they are guilty of.

Julie

[Karmadillo]

26. The only news?

A googling trip will show Kerry has issued several substantive proposals as of late. Not surprising the campaign shake up has been news, but, unfortunately, it's also not surprising the substantive proposals have been all but ignored. To claim Dean's proposals rightfully make news while Kerry's don't is a bit of a stretch and is possibly more indicative of journlistic pack behavior than journalistic wisdom.

And regarding your second posting of Adam Nagourney's characterization of Kerry's radio appearance, his reporting may be good enough for Andrew Sullivan, but as a search of the Daily Howler archives will show, it shouldn't be good enough for DUers (especially those who remember how the Times treated Al Gore during the 2000 election). Nagourney doesn't exactly seem to like Democrats. Thus, his account of Kerry's radio appearance would appear to need additional corroboration from a more reliable source.

Here's one link, but if you search the Howler archives, you'll find lots more:

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh102703.shtml

EXTRA! IT’S TIME FOR NAGOURNEY TO GO: Adam Nagourney needs to be fired for his work in this morning’s New York Times. Our report appears later on in this post, under the heading “Unbearable lightness, part 2.” But Nagourney’s work is a piece of pure fraud. As Americans, we put up with this throughout Campaign 2000. It can’t be allowed to start again. It’s time for Nagourney to go.

more...

[WindRavenX]

3. I wouldn't worry about it

He's one of the only people I think that CAN, given the situation he's in, turn things around and come out the victor.
Let's face it- it's been real rough for Kerry, but I don't think "The Daily Show" is any real indication of how bad things are :)
Kerry will come back.
I'm going door-to-door for Kerry this Saturday in New Hampshire...should be a blast!

[Monte Carlo]

4. A Daily Show roasting isn't a death blow.

I mean, they do it to the Democratic candidates on a daily basis. If anything, it's publicity.

[w13rd0]

5. the Daily Show...

...makes fun of everyone. Hardly a bellweather of his campaigns success or lack thereof. It would be nice if he'd make a pithy statement on how his riding a Harley onto the Leno set makes him no more a rider in Sturgis <sp> than GWB landing a plane on an aircraft carrier. He does risk being seen as rather desperate, although with wit and wisdom, he could pull off making a point instead...

[CWebster]

6. If he hasn't connected by now...

Sorry.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

7. Kerry has always been a laughing stock

for some people. Clinton too. I don't see where this is grounds for calling it a day. Not a vote has yet been cast.

[MercutioATC]

8. Didn't the Daily Show poke fun at Dean early on?

Now, disputedly, he's the frontrunner. Maybe it's actually a GOOD thing...

[WindRavenX]

11. Yup

There's no such thing as bad publicity...;)
This may actually help Kerry, ya know, light his arse on fire?

[HFishbine]

9. If there is any corolation

Dean began his summer surge after the Daily Show mocked him (quite deftly, I might add).

[realFedUp]

10. He isn't toast

plenty of time to reorganize.

[onehandle]

21. That's right...

Most people don't understand that everything can change between now and mid-primaries. The media is playing this up, which is a good thing because is gets nine voices out there beating up on smirk. But it also will result in some disappointed faithful. People need to be flexible. ABB.

The Only thing that is for sure at this point is that Hillary is Not running.

[wakfs]

33. Sure anything will happen....

...but one thing will NOT change - Americans will not elect a sitting member of Congress to the Presidency.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

34. That's why Kucinich and Gephardt are out

history is hard to buck.

[displacedtexan]

13. i'm waiting to see who gets the dnc nod

and the national party cash.

never underestimate the power of the party machine.

[Eloriel]

16. That's SUPPOSED to go to the nominee

You know, the one chosen by The People?

Eloriel

[agingdem]

15. You know what gets me...

how you can declare a candidacy dead before a primary and the hate that we as Dems spew upon our own candidates. We have to support our candidates, build them up...not tear them to shreds. We just give the GOP ammunition.

[UTUSN]

20. Thank You, SB

These threads are like Shrub "talking down the economy" when he seized power. Crocodile tears.

[CWebster]

23. Somebody should tell Kerry then

He has done little else.

[Zolok]

18. Like Mister Spock

"he has been dead before"....

[NewYorkerfromMass]

19. Kerry is a lot like Mr. Spock

Very logical.... unlike some other highly excitable candidates.

[supernova]

22. Oh Come on,

The primaries aren't even here yet, Bandit. Get some backbone. Things happen; problems arise.

It's not the problems themselves, but what you do with them that matters. Nothing, NOTHING that is happening to Kerry right now is unsolvable. He needs a new staff. That's very doable. There are plenty of able-bodied campaign workers around.

And he got zinged on The Daly Show. Big Deal. That's healthy. We complain about the Repub stars being turned into demigods by their party faithful. We shouldn't fall into the same trap. Everybody's a human being. And I will echo the sentiment that no publicity is bad publicity.

[mmonk]

24. nonsense

Too early to say such things.

[MUAD_DIB]

25. The Daily show makes fun of everybody sooner

or later.

I havern't decided who to voter for yet, but I wouldn't rule any of the candidates out just yet. Well maybe one or two...

[Bandit]

27. You all have renewed my hope

I love the optimism here. I was feeling down and you all gave me hope again. Senator Kerry is not necessarily my candidate but could be. I don't want to see him go by the way side this early in the campaign. Love ya guys.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. This will help:

when asked about not getting the AFSCME/SEIU endorsements:

“When I ran in 1984 for the United States Senate, I didn’t have anybody’s endorsement. I am going to have the endorsement of the citizens of New Hampshire, Iowa and other states where they vote,’’ Kerry said. In 1984, Kerry was lieutenant governor and won a bitter Senate primary over U.S. Rep. Jim Shannon, who had the support of many liberal activists as well as The Boston Globe.

http://nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=354&ArticleID=93405

[Hep]

30. Be Careful, Kerry might punch you right in the mouth.

n/t

[Bandit]

36. I guess I do sound like a cry baby

I'll keep my chin down instead.;-)

[sangh0]

37. You're really fascinated by that, aren't you

I've seen it posted at least twice before.

[robsul82]

32. Kerry punches babies in the mouth, you know.

:)

Later.

RJS

[Wapsie B]

35. Kerry can still

be in this race. It's a long way till the nomination. He's got more money than God. Well maybe Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost anyway. He should be able to get a first-class team of media handlers and groomers with his dough.

But all this is a moot point if the major talking heads in the press decide to do an Al Gore on the Democratic candidate again. Liar liar as opposed to showing chimpy as someone who's likeness belongs on Mt. Rushmore.