Are there people who are "pro-abortion" ?

[bluestateguy]

I always hear from anti-abortionists that people who favor the pro-choice position are "pro-abortion", an obviously negative label. What exactly is a "pro-abortion" person? Is that somebody who wants to see as many abortions as possible? Are their really any such people out there in the country? I imagine there might be somebody out there who is "pro-aborion", but I suspect the number is small. Do have ever met a person who is truly "pro-abortion"?

[CPschem]

1. I am.. for republicans only.

n/t

[karlschneider]

17. Me too. And retroactively.

:grr:

[Butterflies]

2. Not many, I suspect

Maybe some people who are very very concerned with overpopulation of the planet, but that must be a small percentage. The term "pro-choice" covers probably 99%.

[mrfitz]

3. It's just their choice.

The reason you never hear of "pro-abortionists" is the same reason you never hear of the "anti-choice" people. Semantics. The juxtaposition of words has too negative a connotation in the above layout. Change them around and people flock to them.

[newyawker99]

15. Hi mrfitz!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[youngred]

20. You do see Anti-Choice used by the Pro-Choice people

because it does accurately describe their position as well. Actually it more accurately reflects the view of many "pro-lifers".

I'm Pro-Life, Pro-Choice. Abortion must be kept legal, but lets try and keep the unwanted pregnancies down to the lowest possible level (through sex education and availability of protection) to prevent abortions from happening. Wouldn't that make them happy? Fewer abortions, but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO that would be teaching our childern it's ok to have sex outside of marriage and we cant have that now can we? :eyes:

no one is Pro-Abortion, There are many Anti-Choicers

[MooPie]

23. What exactly does Pro-Life mean?

From my experience with the anti-abortionists, the majority couldn't care less about the living. They certainly don't care about the woman. It appears they are "pro-life" for a fetus, and once it enters this earth, that's pretty much then end of their "concern".

[youngred]

28. That's the point

and why they are more accurately called Anti-Choicers. They don't care for the life once it takes its first breath, just that it does. The callousness of many of them towards the babies they "saved" once they become children and then adults is apalling.

[TennesseeWalker]

29. Well, maybe not for all of them.

There are some out there who really talk the talk and walk the walk. They are few and far between, but I've seen them. Extremely strong people.

I agree with the other poster. I am pro-life, but pro-choice. I think it's very sad whenever an abortion has to occur. If I hear about it, I feel sorry for the unborn baby and for the mother who had to make such a hard decision. But, it's still HER decision. I wouldn't want to live in a country that acted any other way.

[quinnox]

4. No, that is just right wing speak

Instead of pro-choice, they say pro-abortion, as if people are eager to get abortions.

It's the same kind of language they used talking about war protesters being "pro-Saddam".

[Jacobin]

5. Sure. 12 year old get raped by her Daddy and gets pregnant

Doctor says birth would endanger health of the mother. I'm Pro this abortion.

Why wouldn't you be?

[ulysses]

6. no.

I volunteered as a clinic escort in the early 90s and never talked to anyone who got up in the morning thinking "whee! more abortions!" This is one of those rw talking points that needs to be refuted every day that we draw breath.

[dolo amber]

14. I too was an escort

in Cincinnati during the early 90s when Operation Rescue (or as we called it, Operation "Opress-you") laid seige to the Planned Parenthood there. It was madness. I saw wee small children in strollers being pushed by their mantra-chanting mothers at 7 AM in icy drizzle. I had a priest scream in my face for HOURS till he was literally frothing at the mouth. I've seen the horrendous photos of aborted fetuses being carried in 6 year old hands. When you're that up close and personal with those people, it's not hard to see why they refer to "pro-choice" as "pro-abortion". It's a cult mentality. It's brainwashing. Their eyes glaze, as though they're in some kind of religious ecstacy. Like many of the right's positions, there is no middle ground. You're either with them, or against them.

[La_Serpiente]

7. hmm

[yella_dawg]

8. Sure

I hate kids.

No sane person is pro-abortion. The pro-abortion label is a cheap shot from idiots to idiots. They envision some hippie liberal wacko running around the mall trying to talk random pregnant women into having abortions, I guess. Makes no sense, except to knee-jerk reactionaries.

[Palacsinta]

9. and what is an "arbortuary"

I think I read this word on some right-wingy site........anyone else ever hear of this term? Maybe that's where the pro-abortionists hang out.

[Palacsinta]

11. Whoops.....abortuary

nt

[ulysses]

12. riff on "mortuary"

Yeah, I suspect that that's where the antis hang out.

[David__77]

10. Sometimes abortion saves women's lives.

There are times when abortion is absolutely necessary to a women's physical health--even her life. Why shouldn't we be "pro-abortion" if it saves women's lives. I don't care about the term "pro-abortion." If someone wants to call me that, that's fine. Better that than being someone who wants to enslave women's bodies.

[youngred]

21. because they will use that term in more than just life endangering cases

and use it to smear Pro-Choicers with

[displacedtexan]

13. lots of republican women get 'private' abortions...

they just don't want poor women to have the same option.

[Isome]

25. That's probably true...

Abortion has always been an option to women who have access to money and private physicians, and it continues to be.

Poor women shouldn't have the same choice though. They're poor for crying outside; they have no business having sex. They need to spend their time working, or looking for work, not shacking up with or indiscriminately shagging men. That's the way poor women behave, you know. But, if they do get pregnant, the state should come in and take that child away and give it to a couple who can provide a stable home life.

If necessary, the state should swoop down on all poor, pregnant women and take the babies, one-by-one as they're born, and then hand them out to hardworking, well-educated couples. The kind of couples wherein the woman waited just a tad too late to try to get pregnant and is experiencing trouble. Her need to be maternal (and his need to be paternal) is limited to healthy newborns though, so they can't be expected to lavish their parental affections on a child who needs a family but is older than five.

Poor women are baby-making machines; it's easier to just take those babies and give them to deserving couples. They can always make more.

[Ilsa]

30. I can remember an actress coming to Dallas to talk to our

pro-choice protest group (I'll think of her name later). She talked about how you could only get a legal and safe abortion in a couple of states (NY and CA, I guess). She said several times a year, when she was in college, their dorm (or sorority group) would have to have a meeting to raise funds to help send a sister out of state for an abortion. They would literally pass the hat around until they had enough money to get her transportation to a place where she could have a safe abortion.

* got his girlfriend a safe and illegal abortion prior to Roe v. Wade.

I can't believe that we're still having to fight for this.

[Deja Q]

16. I'm not

I am pro-choice. It's between a woman and her doctor. Nobody else.

Sometimes there are medical reasons.

And in the society/world we've created, there damn well are financial reasons. So fuck off repukes, with this world YOU created, you want our society to be 2-tier. In so many ways you're hypocrites, but I digress.

[sweetheart]

18. There's the dutch/irish alternative....

A dutch ship with a clinic offering abortion is available in international waters off the coast of ireland to women who want choice but who have no rights under primitive irish law. I hope we're not going that way.

I am completely pro-choice, and have been with partners where we've decided to exercise that choice. Better a dead blob of cells than an unwanted child. Making babies is not the sole purpose of human life... otherwise we would not have forebrains. Then again, republicans don't have forebrains.

There is a direct correlation between family planning and womens equality in society. Beneath all the rhetoric, the abortion issue is about repressing women economically, socially and spiritually.

Just call the anti-choice scum what they are: mysogynists.

[MooPie]

19. I totally agree.

In fact, I believe it's all about control. The one thing a woman can do that a man can't is have a baby. By taking this away, women lose control. We become slaves to our wombs.
Another interesting fact as noted by Jean Reith Schroedel in her book Is the Fetus a Person?, is that those states with the most stringent abortion laws have the absolute worst policies for aiding poor families and children. So, these people are not in the least bit "pro-life", but rather the opposite.

[bleedingheart]

22. Its a republican tactic to label people for choice

I don't know of anyone who is pro-abortion in this country, but I know many that are pro choice....people have a right to make up their own minds!

[Mattforclark]

24. I'm pro abortion

in the same sense as I am pro affirmative action.

There is are better policies to try to achieve equal opportunity than AA. The best would be -gasp- to make schools in disadvantaged areas better, the second best would be to make it (some of it) based on income rather than solely race. But AA as it exists now is better than just trashing it, as Dubya wants to do.

Similarly with abortion, in the long term a better way to handle population control would be to get people to use birth control, abstinence, or anything else that works. It is also preferable to convince people to do this rather than force them to do this, but it is preferable to force people to use birth control than to force people to have an abortion.

But abortion doesn't exist now because of population control anyway. I don't have a position on choice based abortion because as a male I do not think that I am capable of making such a judgement, and think it she be left up to women 1) whether abortion should be legal and in what circumstances, and 2) whether to have it done in any one case. So I guess in that sense I am tacitly pro choice as well as pro abortion in the long term.

No one really thinks about population control - IIRC not a single employee of the Federal Government is supposed to think about this long term problem. Anyone who thinks in the long term about the environment, economic development, and the general future of humanity should be concerned about population control. Our lack of foresight is rather frightening.

[quaker bill]

26. I am anti-prohibition

It did not work before and will not work now. Women and their fetuses died at the hands of back-alley butchers before and will again if the right-wing succeeds.

As a man who has taken responsibility for my share of two children, I am pro paternal responsibility.

[MissMarple]

27. Hmmm... So women get pregnant so they can have an abortion?

That is so twisted.

Is it pro-amputation if someone needs a limb amputated to save his life?

"Hi, I'm Miss Marple and I'm pro-amputation."

The entire "pro-abortion" rhetoric is bogus, in my humble opinion.

:evilgrin: Did I just say humble?

[funkyflathead]

32. I suppose it's possible for some women to do that

Although I think they would have be pretty sick to enjoy having abortions done!

[JanMichael]

31. I am. So?

:shrug:

[oasis]

33. It could be said that "pro-lifers" are lobbyists for back alley butchers.