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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 11:55 AM
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Jimmy Carter's son endorses DEAN for President
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 12:07 PM by Closer
I'm sure you guys can surmise the obvious :-)


http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2003/11/15/news/local/d77de587a63ba6ef86256ddf001dfa00.txt

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Carter, now an international business consultant, said Howard Dean has spoken with his father, who won't commit to a Democrat candidate at this point. But Jimmy Carter referred Dean to Chip, who quickly came on board. He will stump this weekend for Dean in Newton and Waverly.

Carter said he supports Dean for "his edge, his rolled-up sleeves" and straightforward demeanor. He said Dean reminds him of his father since they "tell it like it is." Carter said Dean, being an ex-governor and Washington outsider, like his father, will play well with voters. He noted that no U.S. senator since John F. Kennedy in 1960 has won the White House.

"He reminds me of my father, starting this insurgent campaign, bringing people in," Carter said of Dean.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:00 PM
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1. A Chip off the ole block
Good for him...

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Carter, now an international business consultant, said Howard Dean has spoken with his father, who won't commit to a Democrat candidate at this point. But Jimmy Carter referred Dean to Chip, who quickly came on board. He will stump this weekend for Dean in Newton and Waverly.

Carter said he supports Dean for "his edge, his rolled-up sleeves" and straightforward demeanor. He said Dean reminds him of his father since they "tell it like it is." Carter said Dean, being an ex-governor and Washington outsider, like his father, will play well with voters. He noted that no U.S. senator since John F. Kennedy in 1960 has won the White House.

"He reminds me of my father, starting this insurgent campaign, bringing people in," Carter said of Dean.

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:01 PM
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2. that's awesome!!!
Go Dean!!! :yourock:
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:02 PM
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3. I really believe he is the person who can win," Carter said
Sounds like an intelligent man. I'm not sure what is obvious but thanks for the article.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:05 PM
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5. Umm
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 12:11 PM by Closer
the same thing that's obvious when Jesse Jackson JR threw his support behind Dean.

The same thing that will be obvious when Tipper endorses Dean in the coming weeks.
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huckleberry Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:03 PM
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4. Wow!!! That's great news!!
Thanks for posting!!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:14 PM
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6. "Amy Carter's brother"
lol, that's a good line. My first thought was Jimmy Carter had a son?

Whatever became of Amy, anyway? And Billy?
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 12:21 PM
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7. Billy Carter
Billy passed on to the other stratosphere.
I see the Doctor winning the 20004 election if he conducts his campaign like Chips daddy did. Whistle stop the whole country, shake hands, kiss babies, talk to the people face to face. Jimmy did this and upset the Corporate Cartel!
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:08 PM
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9. I Thought Carter Won By Carrying New York, Most Of The Northeast,
Hawaii, and e-v-e-r-y state of the Old Confederacy except
Virginia....

He didn't carry Dem strongholds like Cali and NJ...


That's how Carter won.... By bringing the entire south to the table....



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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:13 PM
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10. And The Result Was.......
Yes he did, and the result of the strategy I mentioned was VICTORY!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:16 PM
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20. Damn good memory
That's exactly how he did it. I can't see that strategy working for any dem this time around though. I think we'll need CA and NJ.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:44 PM
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25. It's Strange The Way The Map Has Changed....
Carter was weak where Dems are now strong (Oregon, Washington, New Jersey, and California) and strong where the Dems are now weak(the south)....

Jimmy Carter brought the entire south with the exception of VA to the table....

Any fair reading of history would say that was what made the difference....
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:15 PM
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19. I thought Amy was an only child
Did I miss something here?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:32 PM
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23. The Carters have three sons
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 03:33 PM by Pastiche423
and one daughter. Amy was the only one left at home when Jimmy became president.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 01:02 PM
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8. kick
:kick:
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:14 PM
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11. I honestly think when JC himself commits it will be
to Howard Dean.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:20 PM
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12. hey CMT
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 02:27 PM by newsguyatl
i think carter more than likely HAS committed. being a former pres though, i'm sure he's hesitant to endorse this early. i think his mind was made up long ago when dean paid him a visit to georgia.

you don't refer your own son to a candidate without being inspired yourself ya know...

let's hope he endorses soon...
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:36 PM
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13. dont know what is funnier....
an endorsment from a Carter or you thinking this is great news. i guess i remember the Carter yrs all to well.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. I think the
funniest thing is your grammar.

No, really, I do.
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. lol thanks
what do you expect from a tradesman, i work for a living. and btw i really do take your comment as a compliment. seems like my point was well made ;).
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:05 PM
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16. And I think
your grammar, along with your constant negative, snide posts on Dean, make MY point. :hi:
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. your a chip off the ole Dean block
funny how his followers adapt his same style of trying to cut the other man at the knees because he cant control his own temper.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Whatever that means...
LOL

Again, love the grammar.

And nice slams on Dean, Carter and Dean supporters all in one thread. :hi:
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. go away
brat!
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. Gee
That's really uncalled for.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:22 PM
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22. HAHA
You think MY comment was uncalled for, but not HIS?!? A slam at both Carter AND me for posting this?

Damn HFISHBINE, with Dean supporters like YOU, who needs enemies.


What a pal. :eyes:
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:40 PM
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24. don't know what is funnier your lame jokes or attempts at teaching history
Jimmy Carter was one of the most Christian Presidents our nation has had, in the true sense of the word. He did not preach his way of life to others, he led by example. It took all the Presidents from Washington to Carter for our nation to collect less that a trillian dollars in debt..while Reagan, Bush, and Shrub have risen this by nearly $6 trillain in just 23 years. Clinton did his best to pay some of this down, but thanks to shrub and some DINOs..those surplusses are now real history!

It isn't great news until the former President himself endorses someone. But it still makes me sick to see fellow DUers knock President Carter around, if you're so pissed why not spend this time ripping Zell's endorsement? Wouldn't this be more worthwhile? At least Carter publically opposed lame attempts to rename the Peach State the Chicken State, which Zell avidly dreamed for as state Senator serving with Carter. Many like Carter..at the time considered Zell's nutty arguments for such a change, "beak in cheek"...like the chickens coming out of Georgia could be stretched around the world two and a half times.
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Closer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:51 PM
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26. THANK YOU BURR!
Glad someone else here sees the obvious here!


:yourock:
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 03:57 PM
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27. calm your lil angry selves down!
my word, i lived thru Carter yrs and they were very bad for my family and most of my neighbors. i dont ever want to go thru that agian.

what is it with you and this other guy? i make a personal political comment based on what i meant thru.you then create words like im "pissed"
and the other guy make personal attacks about my grammar?

one word covers all of it "BRATS"
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 04:20 PM
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30. bratwursts?
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. yes
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #27
31. I would rather not take advice from slugs...
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 04:31 PM by burr
I know about tough times, and being true Democrats...both you and I know if Carter had been re-elected all citizens would now have health insurance. Taxes would now be lower, because we would not be paying the high price of past deficit spending. Gas prices would be lower, demand for foreign oil would be lower, and the Persian Gulf War nor the Iraqi War would not of happened. More people would be employed, and those few who would be unemployed could join a job training-job placement program rather than the currently sliced and diced welfare programs. Finally, the Cold War would have ended years sooner, and in a more stable way.

Soviets would have not of completely collapsed, and begun selling nuclear material worldwide. Rather we would have ended our differences peacefully in the mid-eighties, and they could of slowly converted to a market economy with our help.

In other words, we are all suffering more today because of Carter's defeat..not better off because of Reagan-shrubanomics!
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. does Iran ring a bell
he couldnt even handle the hostage crisis, for the love of GOD.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:09 PM
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34. It does, this is an appropriate example of Carter's leadership...
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 05:14 PM by burr
Everyone of those hostages are alive today because President Carter kept his cool, and wisely chose not to seek political glory in his role as Commander-in-Chief!

Had some hothead been in office at the time, Iran would likely of been invaded...and every hostage could of been killed! A year later the President who ordered the attack would of been re-elected as the "STONG" hero, and the murdered hostages and misery of their families just to become another 9/11...

and you have the audacity to ask about the "love of God???"

I don't know who you worship, but my God doesn't demand or approve of "human" sacrifice.
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #34
37. all your opinions nothing else
u talk as if your assumptions and predictions are the way things were LOL, far from it. another legend in his own mind. your ego comes out thru your writing. remember your ego is nothing but displaced fear.

since im fairly new here, i get a kick outa they way some try to express themselves, you get the other guy trying to hurt others personally or a guy like you, trying his best to rewrite history to conform to his thinking.

and dont worry about who my GOD is. save your brat debate on that issue for someone that wants to share it with ya. now get to ur room



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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:37 PM
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41. opinions based on facts....
Fact...Carter successfully negotiated the final terms for the safe release of the hostages.

Fact...after being let down by the failure of the Special Forces and inaccurate intellegance info, Carter took responsibility for this and refused to take any military actions which would endanger the hostages lives.

Fact...Carter closely followed every step of the negotiations until the hostages were finally released during his last few moments in office during Reagan's inauguration.

Fact...a military assault on Iran would have endanger the lives of the hostages, especially when considering the destined failure of the special forces rescue attempt.

Based on your knowledge, did any hostages die?

What better alternatives could Carter of used to insure that all hostages were released alive?

Most importantly, where did Carter fail in this crisis?

The facts indicated that, having all the hostages released alive was the best possible outcome...better than the terrible outcome of 9/11 under shrub's incompetence!

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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. Does IRAN CONTRA ring a bell?
ding ding ding ding ding!!!


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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #35
42. yes, so does the yellow submarine
what does that have to do with the price of eggs?
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. what about pink elephants...and other freaks of natural?
Edited on Sat Nov-15-03 07:21 PM by burr
But only a true liberal can know what it means to ring the liberity bell..
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #27
36. I lived through the Carter years too. You eat too much bratwurst.
Defining Carter through the Iran hostage crisis is like trying to define the Truman years by a fist fight with McArthur.

Jimmy Carter is, and always was, one of the finest most moral human beings on the planet. Are you one of those Reagan democrats, by chance?


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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. not on your life
are you playing with the bratwurst too much?
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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Jo - kin yuo spill Feerper Trole ?
Try
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joshan361 Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #39
43. calm down..
outa the kid stage young man.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #39
46. Guard was down...I haven't seen too many trolls yet on DU
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 12:18 AM by Scott Lee
And I thank you for the heads up. Now WHERE is that troll bait I dropped...

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Hoppin_Mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #24
40. THX- Carter was and is 100X the MAN that * ISN'T
When you measure a man by honesty, integrity and a desire to help others - not personal gain
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 04:04 PM
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29. no offense against Chip
I admire his father greatly, but I would be much more impressed if Carter endorsed Dean. I haven't heard a whit from Chip since his Dad was in the WH. Has anyone?

Of course, if the senior Carter endorsed Dean, I would consider it his worst mistake since hiring Bert Lance as the budget director.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-03 06:47 PM
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44. Most cool !!
:toast:
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