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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:01 PM
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Question for BBV folks
What is your position on the Fairfax county races that went Democratic narrowly and where touch screen machines were there?

Are you going to advocate for Brickner and the lady who lost her board of education seat even though they are Republicans?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:05 PM
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1. for me it is much bigger than one race...
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 08:51 PM by bpilgrim
it is about all our votes everywhere.

until there is a voter verifiable paper trail i will keep pushing the issue whenever there is an opprotunity.

:hi:

peace
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 07:38 AM
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14. Me too.
If it takes the rethugs getting screwed once in a while by this system to cause the changes necessary that is fine by me. It is pretty sad though that that seems to be the ONLY way change may happen though.
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:10 PM
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2. No question about it
I would lobby for anyone of any party who has an election stolen because we have no paper ballot. Remember that it is not only political parties who would have an interest in rigging an election. How about the mafia, the CIA, foreign intelligence,your local hacker, just to see if he can......the list is endless. The solution is ......Paper Ballots for all.....We should never make this a partisan issue. When we do....we lose.

:kick:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:18 PM
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3. Paper ballots for all and robust audits in every election
not just recounts.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:20 PM
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4. Totally nonpartisan
Where vote counting is concerned, that's an issue of theft and misuse of citizens' votes. It has nothing to do with party affiliation of the candidates.

I applaud anyone who questions these horrific machines.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:20 PM
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5. And hi, Carlos,
Who wrote me a kind note when I was down in the dumps, and called in when I was on the Guy James Show. I hope you are doing well.

Bev
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:21 PM
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6. All things considered I am doing okay
How are you dong, Bev?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:25 PM
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8. Better. Rough few weeks, but from what I understand,
not nearly as rough as yours. Gosh. We are getting along! Bookmark this emotion.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:30 PM
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16. I second that Bev!
I have it bookmarked and stored for a rainy day.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:22 PM
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7. Ok
You answered a key question for me. Glad to see that you are focusing on all suspicious cases.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:41 PM
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10. i believe the BASELINE for BBV activists
is utterly non-partisan.

there ARE some partisan issues, BUT...

everyone *should* be concerned about this issue regardless of party affiliation.

it is BIGGER than that.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:37 PM
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9. Are you going to advocate for GOP'ers affected by the 1% vote subtract?
Of course. This is an American freedom issue. Bad machine votes affect everyone.

However The loss was more than the 1% vote subtraction game someone programed into the machine. So unlike the Dem races where there is the appearance of the race being decided against Dems by programed errors in the voting machines, I doubt the known problem will change the race.

But that is the problem for both parties - we do not know the extent of the problem - or the extent of the bias against Dems in the problem - without a paper trail.

I hope the GOP realizes that there is a lot of hacker talent on the Dem side -

and if the election Judges had no problem with a 16000 out of the blue post 2 am "2nd memory card that no one can find" subtraction to the Gore vote in 2000 in Florida,... --- well, I would expect some interesting results in 2004.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:49 PM
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11. An interesting little business about programming in vote-changing
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 08:49 PM by BevHarris
seems to be in the Georgia certification documents, where certifiers asked Diebold to explain some source code that did inexpicable things.

I don't know about the "change one out of every hundred" programming, but really, just about anything can be done when you have inside access.

Bev
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 09:13 PM
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12. Absolutely. Without question or hesitancy.
I may not like most Republicans (or at least most of the ones in power), but what I want most of all is for the people to get their preference in candidates elected -- honestly and honorably.

During the never-ending FL 2000 Recount, what was vastly more important to me was that the man whom the people actually chose win, even if that were Bush. Sure, I wanted Gore to win desperately, but far, far more important to me was the integrity of the process, of the vote itself.

On a more practical level, it helps the ISSUE tremendously that there is a GOP candidate who encountered questionable circumstances involving these machines. It really IS a non-partisan issue.

Eloriel

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JetJaguar Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:24 AM
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13. Let them have Washington, we want the scraps.
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=28181&paper=0&cat=109

After a couple days of inexplicable breakdowns, emergency injunctions and courtroom hearings, the final chapter in the saga of the 10 defective voting machines was almost anticlimactic.
“It was fine,” said Judy Flaig, Fairfax County’s election manager. “The machines did exactly what they were supposed to do.”
...

Christopher Craig, the GOP’s lead attorney, said Thursday’s event made him “pretty satisfied” that no votes had been tampered with. But he said the situation opened his eyes to potential vulnerabilities with the new machines that the county spent over $3 million on this year.
“I came out from yesterday far more concerned about the process from these machines than when I went in,” he said in an interview Friday. It is too easy, he noted, to completely wipe out all trace of any votes cast on the machines. Also, he said he wasn’t entirely sure who it was who drove the faulty machines to the Government Center on Tuesday although Flaig said the drivers were sworn election officials.
“I’m not convinced that these machines are as secure as we’re being told,” he said. “I think the Republican Party should continue the investigation, maybe not under court supervision but outside of that and then demand an investigation by the Attorney General or maybe the U.S. Attorney.”
...


“The people who should be most concerned about this are the Democrats running for president next year,” said Craig.
...

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MYCHELE B. BRICKNER

Republican, challenger

Mychele Brickner currently serves as an at-large member of the Fairfax County School Board. She has served as a member of then-Gov. George Allen’s Council on Information Management, the State Board of Education’s Advisory Board for Teacher Education and Licensure and the Partnership for Youth.


GERALD E. “GERRY” CONNOLLY

Democrat, challenger

Gerry Connolly has served as Providence District representative to the Board of Supervisors since 1995. A graduate of Maryknoll College and Harvard University, Connolly is a consultant and director of community relations for SAIC.


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“The machines did exactly what they were supposed to do.”
Now that's scary.

HAVA BBV DAY! :+
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:27 PM
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15. I will advocate for anyone who looses an election
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 04:29 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
through voter fraud. Democrat or Republican.

The machines were skimming votes. Plain and simple.

Hi Carlos.

I hope things are going better for you now. Did you get your butt outta florida yet?

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