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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 08:26 PM
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Rachel Corrie! Michael Moore on C-Span Booknotes Reapeat w/Brian
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 08:36 PM by KoKo01
and he mentions her name and asks why did that happen? Bulldozed to Death?

He says: "I don't know if you've ever been over there, Brian, but these people (Israeli's/Palestinians) eat the same food share much of the same culture...there has to be some middle ground there?"

Is there middle ground...and what about Rachel Corrie? Read about her here and tell me why she's been forgotten...tell me....
http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel/
Rachel Corrie, 23, was killed on 16 March when she was run over by an Israeli bulldozer #949-623. Rachel was trying to stop the bulldozer from demolishing the home of a Palestinian physician in the Gaza Strip.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:06 PM
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1. A little kick for Rachel....the woman everyone wants to forget......
:-(
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:08 PM
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2. Not everyone wants to forget
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:12 PM
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3. Another graduate of Evergreen State.
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:19 PM by SahaleArm
Peace and Justice?

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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:14 PM
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6. The other side from Edward Said.
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:19 PM by SahaleArm
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:21 PM
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7. I could look like this photo on any given day about the Iraq War.
And, I stood with my "Who Would Jesus Bomb" signs in many protests here in NC. Some folks on either side were offended by that.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:32 PM
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8. I did give both sides of the argument.
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:33 PM by SahaleArm
The truth lies somewhere in the middle. The world is full of oppresion; why did the far left co-opt the plight of Palestine as their cause? As opposed to Africa, South America, or China.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:38 PM
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9. The far left
The I/P conflict is the one the far left focuses primarily because it gets infinately more media coverage than any other conflict. Secondarily, it is the one where the U.S. is the most involved.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:43 PM
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10. The US is very much involved in South America...
But that died off the map? Why does Israel/Palestine get more press coverage than China, where the US is economically tied to the hip?
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:18 PM
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15. Religion
Many Americans care about the I/P conflict because it is happening in the "Holy Land." Moreover, it involves America's two favorite religious communities. I am sure there are many people that take delight in the plight of Jews and Muslims in Israel and Palestine.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:36 PM
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16. Look below.
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 11:38 PM by SahaleArm
The poster below refuses to vote Democrat because of the issue. For many on the far-left this is a make of break issue, with very little to do with religion. They found their cause and that's the end of it, no weeping for poor South Americans or Chinese. I am as skeptical of the ISM as I am of Lukid.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:53 PM
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12. peace and justice?


most definitely not.

Israel will do anything to take down Palestinian villages...even run over people.

This is the exact reason why we need someone honest and peaceful in the white house.

Dennis Kucinich is the only one who will stand up to Sharon's mobsters. I will not be voting for anyone else from the democrats because they don't give a shit about the palestinians.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:56 PM
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13. Some say
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:58 PM by bumbler
the publication of this photo in Isreali papers a month before she was killed was part of the reason her life was taken. WorldNet suggests that it proves she deserved killing. Pix of British flags, pix of The Smirk, pix of Parliament and similar graphical devices were also burned. It appears that no actual flags were harmed.

You can see more pictures of Rachel Corrie using this site as a starting point:
http://www.distanceeddesign.com/rachel/
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:52 PM
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17. Does that photo...
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 11:58 PM by ezmojason
relieve you of any care for her death?

Is her angry face enough to justify her body
broken under the tracks of a bulldozer?

Do the children around her deserve to live in
walled off refuge camps surrounded by the wreckage
of their destroyed houses?

Does that only the "far left" speaks out for them
make them less deserving of human rights than others?

Does the fact that others are oppressed make them less so?
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 12:00 AM
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18. Was she was a Martyr or a Pawn?
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 12:02 AM by SahaleArm
And I did post Said's article. She gave her life for a cause where neither side played by the rules. The question of why the far-left chose Palestine over the rest of the world is valid; and can't just be answered by America's involvement.
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:12 PM
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4. did she make CNN? Ever?
The story faded away as the airwaves were filled with stories about Jessica Lynch.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:13 PM
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5. Here is an article in remembrance written by her parents:
Edited on Sun Nov-16-03 10:18 PM by KoKo01
Rachel Corrie: A Parents Statement of Their Daughter

BBSNews - 2003-03-20 -- Our daughter Rachel, a volunteer with the International Solidarity Movement in the Occupied Territories, died Sunday in the Gaza Strip while courageously trying to prevent the demolition of a Palestinian home. Our loss is immense, but we are buoyed by the outpouring of support and love that we’ve received from around the world. We understand that Rachel is being remembered in many places in many beautiful ways, and we are grateful. We are comforted and heartened by the compassionate expressions of love that we have received from both Palestinian and Israeli people. We will forever remember and be thankful for Rachel’s ISM and Palestinian friends who cared for her and who held her for us as she died.

We are speaking out today because of Rachel’s fears about the impact of a war with Iraq on the people in the Occupied Territories. She reported to us that her Palestinian friends were afraid that with all eyes on Iraq, the Israeli Defense Forces would escalate activity in the Occupied Territories. Rachel wanted to be in Gaza if that happened.

In the last six weeks, Rachel became our eyes and ears for Rafah, a city at the southern tip of Gaza. Now that she’s no longer there, we are asking members of Congress and, truly, all the world to watch and listen.

One week ago I came rather timidly to members of Rachel’s delegation in Congress, expressing my concerns for the safety of those in the International Solidarity Movement. A piece of me wonders if I had spoken louder or sooner, if this week’s tragedy might have been averted. So today I am speaking up in memory of my daughter and on behalf of all her friends in Gaza.

We are greatly concerned for the non-violent internationals volunteering in the Occupied Territories. We ask that members of Congress call upon the Israeli government to cease harassment of these individuals and, specifically, to cease firing upon them when they are engaged in protecting the Palestinian water supply, protecting Palestinian homes from illegal demolitions, and retrieving bodies of murdered Palestinians for return to their families – all events Rachel witnessed.

In my last phone conversation with Rachel, she expressed that when we fail to support and protect the Internationals who resist non–violently, we also undercut the non-violent initiatives of the Palestinians. We are, therefore, asking our members of Congress to demand that the American Embassy in Tel Aviv, when called upon for assistance, provide all reasonable support to non-violent, American volunteers in the Occupied Territories, as well as support to other internationals as appropriate.

We are asking members of Congress to bring the U.S. government’s attention back to the Israeli-Palestinian crisis and to recognize that the occupation of the Palestinian territories is an overwhelming and continuous act of collective violence against the Palestinian people. We ask that military aid to Israel be commensurate with its efforts to end its occupation of the Palestinian Territories and to adhere to the rules of international law.

Rachel would not want her death to overshadow that of others. In barely glancing at headlines since word came of Rachel’s death, I note that many have died this week in the Occupied Territories – one a four-year-old child. I would like to be able to hold the mother of that child and to have her hold me.

Yesterday, I looked at a publication entitled "Who Will Save the Children?" with photos of children who have died since September 2000 in Israel and in the Occupied Territories. I understand that the next publication will be dedicated to Rachel and will include her photograph.

I want the mothers of these children to know that I have looked at the beaming faces of each of their babies and that I know how much the world has lost with the passing of each one of them.

In one of her e-mails Rachel wrote, "Today as I walked on top of the rubble where homes once stood, Egyptian soldiers called to me from the other side of the border, ‘Go! Go!’ because a tank was coming. Followed by waving and "what’s your name?" There is something disturbing about this friendly curiosity. It reminded me of how much, to some degree, we are all kids curious about other kids: Egyptian kids shouting at strange women wandering into the path of tanks. Palestinian kids shot from the tanks when they peek out from behind walls to see what’s going on. International kids standing in front of tanks with banners. Israeli kids in the tanks anonymously, occasionally shouting - and also occasionally waving – many forced to be here, many just aggressive, shooting into the houses as we wander away." How I wish that the young man in the bulldozer that killed Rachel could have just stopped, hopped out, and talked to her. He would have met a beautiful soul.

http://www.rachelcorrie.org/charlotte.htm
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 10:45 PM
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11. Still think about her...
I usually don't cry when I see reports of people dead...but the day this was first reported...I cried for a couple of minutes. Heck, just the thought of her now getting run over while protecting palestinian homes has me crying now.

So sad. :(
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-03 11:00 PM
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14. same here
her last words-
"my back is broken!"

remember Rachel Corrie
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 12:16 AM
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19. Locking-please repost in I/P forum
Guideline for discussion of Israeli/Palestinian affairs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=21970

Thank you
AnnabelLee
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