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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 12:59 AM
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Clark - USA Today Interview 11/16/03 - Video and article
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 01:02 AM by VolcanoJen
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2003-11-16-clark-main_x.htm

This is a fascinating article, gathered from a reporters and editors session Clark granted to USA Today and Gannett News Service Sunday evening.

In the article, he stresses the importance of catching Saddam Hussein before transferring control of the government to Iraqis.

More revealing, however, is the account of Clark showing the reporters and editors a book of photographs, entitled "Blood and Honey," taken before and during the Kosovo conflict. You can click on a video link in the article and watch this riveting account; he shows photographs of soldiers, dead women, babies... it's just horrific, and the anger and resolve Clark shows when defending his position in Kosovo is remarkable. He's emotional, tough and touching, all at once, in the interview. (Click on the "Beyond Words: Video" links to watch the excerpts.)

Clark fans should take a look at this article, and the accompanying videos of the session. Non-Clark fans should look at it, just because it's fascinating.

Clark: "I go back to what Bill Clinton said... when you can make a difference, you should."
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:16 AM
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1. Wow is all I can say.
That Bosnia clip is intense.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:26 AM
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2. Thanks for the read! I found some other articles on Clark as well...
These ones are a bit older, but there is one in particular that really gave me a new sense of the whole being relieved of command thing in Kosovo.

(This one appeared in the Washington Post)
The Unappreciated General
The General Who Did Too Good a Job

By Patrick B. Pexton
Tuesday, May 2, 2000; Page A23

<snip>

Clark disapproved the gradualism of the initial bombing campaign against Belgrade. He wanted to hit hard and massively. But NATO governments and diplomats in Washington felt Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic would yield after only a few bombs and cruise missiles, as he had in Bosnia. They were wrong. Clark, who was part of the delegation that negotiated the Dayton accords with Milosevic, knew Kosovo was integral to Serb identity and to Milosevic's rise to power. He would not give it up easily.

When it became clear the initial NATO bombing wasn't working, Clark pushed for every airplane he could get, much to the dismay of the U.S. Air Force. Indeed, one of the unsung accomplishments of Kosovo is how quickly Clark built up air power--far faster than was done in Desert Storm. Clark prodded and cajoled the Europeans and the White House into accepting expanded, and riskier, target lists. He ordered 50 Apache attack helicopters to take the battle to the Serb ground troops, only to see the force reduced in size and then left to sit in Albania while the White House and Pentagon fretted about casualties. Clark also was right about readying troops for an invasion. The preparations for a ground war helped persuade Milosevic to surrender.

More presciently, Clark was right about the Russians. When fewer than 200 lightly armed Russian peacekeepers barnstormed from Bosnia to the Pristina airport in Kosovo to upstage the arrival of NATO peacekeepers, Clark was rightly outraged. Russians did not win the war, and he did not want them to win the peace. Clark asked NATO helicopters and ground troops to seize the airport before the Russians could arrive. But a British general, absurdly saying he feared World War III (in truth the Russians had no cards to play), appealed to London and Washington to delay the order.

The result was a humiliation for NATO, a tonic for the Russian military and an important lesson for the then-obscure head of the Russian national security council, Vladimir Putin. As later Russian press reports showed, Putin knew far more about the Pristina operation than did the Russian defense or foreign ministers. It was no coincidence that a few weeks afterward, Russian bombers buzzed NATO member Iceland for the first time in a decade. A few weeks after that, with Putin as prime minister, Russian troops invaded Chechnya. Putin learned the value of boldness in the face of Western hesitation. Clark learned that he had no backup in Washington.

more...

This one is from Newsweek:

Warrior's Rewards

NATO's military commander won in Kosovo but not in Washington. Now he has paid with his job.

By John Barry and Christopher Dickey,
Aug. 9, 1999

Gen. Wesley Clark, supreme Allied Commander in Europe, waged and won NATO's campaign for Kosovo without losing a single soldier in action. For the U.S. military, the victory was uniquely—historically—bloodless. Last week Clark learned it was also thankless. In a midnight call from Washington, Clark was told he'd be relieved of his command at NATO next April, a few months earlier than he'd anticipated. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Hugh Shelton, presented the decision as a simple matter of giving the post to another deserving officer. Clark, who got the call in the middle of a quick trip to the Baltic republics, was caught off balance. He'd seen Shelton in the United States just the week before. Not a word had been breathed of his replacement. According to one source privy to the conversation, Clark told Shelton the move would be read as a vote of no-confidence in his leadership.

Shelton, brisk and businesslike, said there was no way around it. His replacement—Air Force Gen. Joseph Ralston, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff—would be forced by law to retire if he weren't given a new slot by April. Clark wasn't buying it. In two conversations that night and again the next day, sources say, he argued that his replacement would be a blow to U.S. efforts to reshape NATO. Shelton wasn't moved. Clark, the 54-year-old warrior, was going to have to step aside for Ralston, the 55-year-old Washington insider.

<snip>

Yet the core problem was at least as much one of personality as of doctrine. Since his days at West Point, Clark has been something of a loner. (His favorite sport was long-distance swimming. He still tries to work out in the pool every day: lap after arduous lap, oblivious to the outside world.) Clark gloried in being the lone warrior, the take-no-prisoners intellectual. "It's very difficult to stop this ambitious man," said one of his European peers during the war. His colleagues might admire and envy Clark, but few actually liked him.

<snip>

Should Clark have been surprised to be shown the door? He rubbed even his admirers the wrong way. Subordinates wearied of his high-pressure attention to minute detail. A European NATO officer who worked closely with Clark remembered him during the air war "with his little laptop being able to see all the aircraft maneuvering in the air war." (Tatiana: Personally, I think this just shows his dedication and the fact that he takes his job and the men and women under his command seriously.) As another NATO veteran put it, "He does get in people's knickers to some extent." When Clark was assigned to work with an old West Point classmate, he suggested that since they might compete for promotions they should put their friendship on hold.

<snip>

Clark still has his fans at NATO headquarters. It was Clark who balanced the demands and misgivings of 19 nations and armies through 78 long days. That showed a great political touch; indeed, Wesley Clark may be too much of a politician for some soldiers—even if he is too much of a soldier for the politicians. During the Kosovo war, that made him "the perfect man for the job," said a top NATO official. When the war was over, it also made him the perfect man to dump.

(more...)

Some fascinating articles at this site and a bit of insight into the man that is Wesley Clark.

http://wesleyclark.h1.ru/departure.htm
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saoirse Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:29 AM
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8. Very revealing articles - thanks!
I think it shows, once and for all, the utter absurdity of Sir Mike Jackson's "World War III" comment.

Jackson, by the way, was second-in-command of British forces during Bloody Sunday in 1972 - when British forces opened fire on peaceful Irish protestors in Derry, killing 13 and wounding many more.

What's really interesting about the article was how the Russians were emboldened when Washington overruled Clark's orders. If that hadn't happened, the Russians might have seen it as enough of a shot across the bow that they wouldn't have invaded Chechnya.

The articles show that Clark isn't just smart, he has great instincts as well. The more I know about the man, the more I like him.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:08 AM
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10. That's what struck me...
If Washington hadn't overruled Clark, it's likely Russia wouldn't have invaded Chechnya. More than anything, the more I read about General Clark, the more I'm convinced that he is a once in a lifetime leader. His intelligence, his charisma, his decisiveness, and his ability to think outside the box are characteristics that would make him an excellent President.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 08:49 AM
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13. Now, they have to get this story out there...
i've heard that British officer saying "WW 3" many times by now, and never really heard a good explanation for it. I always thought that WWIII comment would be Rove's first salvo at Clark if he won the nomination.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:44 AM
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3. Nice to see that Corporate McMedia is still ignoring Clark 24/7. (nt)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:46 AM
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4. So is Clark still a baby eating terrorist in your eyes?
Did you watch that second video before making that irrelevant comment? You can't resist the Clark bashing.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 01:48 AM
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5. No just kitten fetuses *nm*
*nm*
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:04 AM
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6. How did my post bash Clark?
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 02:05 AM by stickdog
And, yes, I read the article & watched the video -- neither of which addressed ANY of my concerns about Clark.

How surprising.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 02:06 AM
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7. I didn't know
that he was being interviewed to satisfy your concerns. Maybe he missed the memo.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:06 AM
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9. He's not bashing Clark...
... he's making an astute observation about the media's relative lack of coverage of the Clark candidacy.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 06:54 AM
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11. Thanks.
great reading...

DemEx
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 08:26 AM
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12. Here's the link to the very human and powerful display by Clark
http://real.usatoday-na-central.speedera.net/ramgen/real.usatoday-na-central/031117_clark2.rm

_________

In my opinion, this is why I think he would make
the best President. He actually seems to care about
people in a way that supercedes political and ideological
motives.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:15 PM
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14. Kickin' for the afternoon Clark crowd.
:dem:
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 03:39 PM
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15. "The pornography of violence"
Wow, pretty powerful stuff. Thanks, Jen.
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 04:11 PM
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16. I got emotional, too...
I don't know how this plays in our cynical political environment...and in the harshness of Rightwing land...but this emotionalism...or maybe I should say, fervor, for doing the right thing is why I am supporting Clark.

"He's emotional, tough and touching, all at once, in the interview."
Beautifully put. Thanks.
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