Bush in England...DO YOU THINK SOMETHING'S UP?

[CaptainMidnight]

The timing is so odd.

Doesn't seem like the shrewdest of manuevers.

Some orchestrated "incident" while Bush is in England? They've laid the groundwork in the media. High Terror Alert. Bush minions putting the word out that they're gonna "shoot to kill" any protestor or rabble-rouser that they even remotely deem a threat. They even announced Bush will meet with British families of British troops killed in Iraq, when they had to know how much that will piss off American families whom he refuses to meet with.

They need something to happen to either:

a) garner sympathy for Bush

b) make Blair into some sorta hero to the British people

c) demonize the protestors

d) score a "victory" over supposed "terrorists" that might perpetrate said "incident"

e) make SOMEONE a martyr

f) all of the above

WHY is Bush officially going there? He's despised. It seems so politically tone deaf and not worth the hassle and bad publicity he's going to get, the world over. Unless there's an ulterior motive. Either way, he can't afford politically another "big attack" on US soil, so maybe something might happen in England, that way neither he nor his Pentagon cronies can be blamed for "whatever" goes down?

Or is he going there to avoid something that is going to happen HERE? Some unpleasant incident, or BIG REVELATION or SMOKING GUN that he doesn't wanna be around for?

I KNOW, this is all speculative, and "paranoid," but I have thought it long overdue for these guys to come up with some other distracting or terrifying incident to take the heat off Bush for everything that's been revealed to date, and what other truth may come out about 9-11, Iraq War, Nazi Past, etc.

Or, it may be as simple as the fact that it's the 40th Anniversary of the JFK assassination. All week long there's stuff, even on FOX News about JFK, some shows lionizing him, some shows debunking the Warren Commission, and the possibilty of the greater revelations, pushed by many in the online "conspiracy community," pointing to Poppy Bush's involvement in JFK's murder.

Or maybe they just don't want him around to suffer comparisons all week, and having him in another country will also take the heat off of him feeling obligated to make some sorta statement on the 40th anniversary of JFK's death.

Or maybe some planned incident will indeed occur on the anniverysary...

I dunno...I guess that covers it, huh?

Captain Mike

[bowens43]

1. No, I don't think so.

I think he is there to discuss transitioning control of both the military and the rebuilding effort in Iraq to the UN.

[gristy]

3. That and some carefully controlled photo ops

I think * and his cabal misunderestimated the negatives of the trip when they planned it many weeks ago. No tinfoil hat necessary IMO.

[RC]

10. This trip was planned two years ago.

The bu$h people wanted it - at least then they did...

[DoYouEverWonder]

40. They even insisted

that it would be called a 'state' visit.

This was suppose to be a celebration for the vicorious and mighty US/Brit coalition. W was supposed to get the full treatment. Parade in a horse drawn carriage, speak to a cheering Parliment. All that has turned to shit and they are trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[ClintonTyree]

2. "Why is Bush officially going there"?

Ego. The Boy King believes after all that he was chosen by God to steer the world through these perilous times. He BELIEVES this. His ego wouldn't allow him NOT go to England and have myriad honors (shallow as they may be) bestowed upon him. We all know that he's a mere puppet for the conservative right. In short, he actually thinks he's the President.

[pinkpops]

4. A divine right of Kings

sort of thing.

[SpiralHawk]

5. out of camera range, Shrub and the Queen will descend

to the secret Skull & Bones Maxi Crypt below the dungeons in Windsor Castle. Once the Iron Gates are locked, they will turn to each other and assume their True Reptilian Forms.

PS - remind me not to eat pizza before bedtime...I've been having niGhTmArEs !!!!

[pinkpops]

6. Don't forget the Prince

Charles must be there.

[DebJ]

42. Hi Spiral Hawk is it correct to conclude you have read David Icke?

[emad]

7. Hogging the headlines away from JFK 40th anniversary

of the assasination?

Best bet is that he's coming to town to see how many more witnesses he can suborn in the forthcoming BCCI class action that bankrupted creditors are bringing against the Bank of England in january 2004. Blair twice intervened since 1997 to gag all the material evidence held by the B of E from being heard on the grounds of 'security'. This was finally thrown out by the UK Appeal Court earlier this year which said that if UK and US politicians' assess were in a sling over this, then it was not a matter of national/international security but their own personal nightmare.

[seemslikeadream]

17. I know you're right about this.

This is the big one. And now I'm reading that Dodi son was involved in BCCI?
And I'm very interested these days in Barrick Gold Mining started by Khashoggi.
George Bush Sr. gives Barrick $10 billion in mining rights on U.S. public land citing a 1870's gold mining law weeks before leaving office

George Bush Sr. last act in office was to pardon Khashoggi.

George Bush Sr. now is an international consultant for Barrick.

[TNDemo]

8. I think it is more to lower expectations.

Kinda like they did for the debates. Everyone is expecting a huge demonstration and lots of problems but when it happens and it is not quite as bad as predicted, well, then it wasn't as bad as everyone thought. They really don't hate him that bad - it's just been overhyped.

[gristy]

13. Maybe, maybe not.

I think most people may not even know he's going over to England, let alone that protests are planned. Might be a fall-back strategy, but not clear if it will work very well.

[TNDemo]

14. The issue of protests in England and him being unwelcome

has been on every major news outlet this weekend, even Faux. So the word is definitely out there.

[CBHagman]

38. The @#$%!! Washington Post FINALLY put it on page 1

The Post has been very consistent about underreporting the number of protesters who follow Bush. When Newsday and other papers were reporting on the crowds of protesters "greeting" him in New York and other places, the Post confined it all to a line or two at the end of usually favorable coverage (with, of course, lots of quotes from right-wing think tank members and the like).

My only question is this: Will royal corgis bite Bush during his state visit? Maybe Prince Harry can coach them...

[asjr]

9. England

I suppose it is too much to expect that he is going to defect.

[RC]

12. Who'd take'em anyway?

After what he & his criminals have done, where can he go and still be safe? The list is down to the low single digits.

[billyskank]

31. Aagh!

We don't want him!

[liberalhistorian]

32. LOLOLOL!

Now THAT is an image, the poor, misunderstood, abused, neglected, battered Boy King George III POTUS actually defecting to another country, and our old colonizer at that. Hilarious!

Unfortunately it is, as you've said, too much to hope for, SIGH!

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

11. the people who should be worried

are the british troops in iraq. a massive attack on them during bush's* visit would be a propaganda coup for the iraqis.

[Spazito]

15. At the time this was planned, everything was "rosy" for Bush and Blair

and they thought this visit to the Queen would be a great PR coup. They now know it is a nightmare but, given both Blair and Bush live in a "no reality zone" they are going ahead.

[DS1]

16. I think the attack would be here rather than there

Perhaps big enough to warrant him staying over there for a while.. Hence the jet fighters, reinforced walls, miniguns, etc, etc. :scared:

[truthspeaker]

18. I had the same thought

I believe Bush is ultimately expendable to the people who are really in charge. It occured to me they could bump him off and blame it on anti-war protesters. Excuse for more crackdowns in the US and a ploy to gain sympathy for a Cheney/Powell ticket in 2004.

[emad]

19. Re: expendable

Here's one assessment of that:
http://www.cosmicbaseball.com/98hcr.html

[morgan2]

20. bush is off to meet

with prince charles to tell him that homosexuality is a sin.

[liberalhistorian]

33. LOL!

You never know with that two-celled amoeba brain.

[Starpass]

21. He's been to more countries in the last few weeks than he has been

in his presidency and in his whole useless life!! I believe this 'year' they are going to have Bush "doing foreign countries" in order to project the image that he's great at international relations, a crackerjack in foreign diplomacy, etc.....you know, everything he "ain't"!! But they don't want him hit with that image by the Dems. So look for this year to be the year of the "world traveler"....and it will cost nations all over the world billions to keep the people from putting their hands around his throat!!!

[rasputin1952]

22. The Mirror says that bush will not go before Parliament...

because he and his handlers are afraid of repercussions, and the "hard" questions he may face from MP's.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=13631331_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-BUSH-PULLS-OUT-OF-SPEECH-TO-PARLIAMENT-name_page.html

Goes on to say that 19M Pounds have been spent on security, as well as an RAF no fly zone. Apparently, he will be protected from demonstrators after all, (why am I not surprised). The speeches he will give are "invitatioon only", (again, no surprise).

This is the worst example of someone who is supposed to be the defender of freedom in the world. He is toast.

:grr:

[King Coal]

27. I wish Clinton would wait about a week or so

and go to England. They would welcome him even more than the Bushies said the Iraqis would welcome our troops.

[itcfish]

23. I Had a Bad Feedling

This morning, when I went to the rail road station parkin lot and found it half empty. It usually takes me 15 minutes to find a space. I remembered the samething happening on 9/11. Unless it is any sort of holiday that area is packed. Then I remembered Bush going to the UK. Just made me feel very uncomfortable.


:think:

:wtf:

[David__77]

24. No, they're actually desperate!

This was planned long in advance. Some are very concerned that this will prove an opportunity to make some kind of move. I'm not sure--it is possible. I thought it may be a possibility to cancel this visit. I also find it very interesting that British media are reporting things like that Bush's rooms will NOT have special walls built for protection, and similar things.

[rasputin1952]

25. "Special walls"...

What were they going to do, put mats up in case he had a pretzel of something?

:bounce:

[Terwilliger]

26. This trip was arranged in May

put down the tinfoil

[Scott Lee]

28. But they could never have predicted it would be so crappy

a timing for the Boy King. I know of no BushCo crony or rightwinger who predicted what a shit mess Iraq would turn into, or how unpopular Junior and his English Lap Poodle would become. This is all scramble, catch up ball.

And for the record, I could think of no better "shot heard around the world" to set off a rebellion against Blair/Bush than one of Bush's own gestapo capping a UK protestor.

[info being]

29. You could be right

I was thinking the same thing this morning...before your post. Everything seems to be coming together for some sort of event.

[CaptainMidnight]

30. oh

okay...

Adjusting my Reynolds Wrap...

CM

[liberalhistorian]

34. I don't think you're that far off base at all,

my very sane, rational, not-prone-at-all-to-any-kind-of-conspiracy-thinking mother was saying the very same thing this morning. She believes that the neocons who are really in charge consider Shrub to ultimately be expendable, and wondered if they wouldn't have him assassinated for their own purposes.

I put NOTHING past these people, they are capable of ANYTHING, even shooting their own mothers in cold blood, to further their goals and ambitions and to get rid of those who could cause or have caused problems for them. I never, ever thought my own country would be under the control of people like them.

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. He's just going over to vist his buddy, Queen Elizabeth

Don't they come from the same Germanic family?

http://bushspeaks.com/home.asp?did=147

[Panda1]

39. Cronus!!!

Isn't this your MullahBush pic being held by a protester in London?

An opponent of President Bush (news - web sites) holds up a placard outside Buckingham Palace, London as the president arrived at the Palace Tuesday Nov.18, 2003, to start his four-day state visit.(AP Photo/Max Nash)

[Cronus Protagonist]

47. Yes, it's one of thousands of postcards that have been sold in Europe

I think we're on the third printing now :)

Click Here To See Fair & Balanced Buttons, Stickers & Magnets[/cent

[Panda1]

48. Yer faymuss!

Hillary Clinton laughed when she saw it....she said, "It's the best picture I've seen of him."
Cronus crosses the pond! :)

[smirkymonkey]

36. As usual, I will jump on that

bandwagon - I posted my suspicions a week ago, but no bites.

They could always cancel at the last minute due to a make-believe terra threat on King George and the Queen. I really don't see how they can pull this off as positive PR in such a hostile climate.

We all know what kinds of things happen when *'s poll numbers drop, and on top of it the "miraculous" economic recovery propaganda doesn't seem to be fooling anybody. They need a BIG distraction. And soon.

I just have a gut feeling that he won't pull off this stunt without some kind of incident. Let's just hope that innocent people don't get hurt.

[NewJeffCT]

37. My thoughts

They are building up all sorts of bad things that can happen. However, with all the security (both American and British), most likely, there will not be major incidents. Protests, sure, but nobody close enough to throw a tomato or rotten egg at *...

If there are no major incidents, Bush* and Fox and Rove will think the trip is a major success.

[CaptainMidnight]

41. how long is he...

over there for?

CM

[DebJ]

43. re: replies GW is 'expendable'...his nickname at Skull and Bones was

"Temporary". So perhaps the plan by those who control GW are to knock him off on the anniversary of JFK's assasination, make him a 'martyr' for the cause of 'world freedom'.

[DebJ]

44. I couldn't believe the gall of the CIA asking the Brit's to close down the

entire city of London for GW's visit. Apparently they don't think our government can protect him.

[Cascadian]

45. Well his approval ratings are down here.

I have always said that something may happen as soon as his ratings go down below 50% and yes the timing of this trip is really strange. I don't want to speculate anything though butI do recall hearing Mike Malloy saying the same thing I have been saying.

John

[JNelson6563]

46. History repeated

Last one of this size I recall, Field of Cloth of Gold; Henry VIII & Francis I.

One great big well-choreographed display for the unwashed masses and "nobles" who it was always wise to keep in awe of wealth/power of the "royalty". One big contrast I see is that in this particular Field of Cloth of Gold is that great many of them will be baring their bums (according to the scuttlebut(t)0. ;-)

Julie