Clark-Dean tied in new national poll. Bush-Edwards drop.

[Renew Deal]

There is a lot of info here and you should check the whole thing for yourself.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2003-11-17-bush-poll.htm

7. Next, I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Democratic primary for president in the next election. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for President in the year 2004:Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, North Carolina Senator John Edwards, Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt, Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean, the Reverend Al Sharpton, Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Former Illinois Senator Carol Moseley Braun, Retired General Wesley Clark.

Democrats/Democratic Leaners

Nov 14-16 Nov 10-12
Dean 16 16
Clark 16 13
Lieberman 14 15
Gephardt 12 11
Kerry 10 9
Edwards 5 9
Braun 5 4
Sharpton 4 3
Kucinich 3 3
None/ other/ no opin. 15 17

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?

Approve Disapprove No opinion
2003 Nov 14-16 50 47 3
2003 Nov 10-12 51 45 4

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2003-11-17-bush-poll.htm

[slinkerwink]

1. the way you set it up, I really can't tell which numbers belong to who...

:shrug:

[Renew Deal]

2. Sorta fixed

I just copied and pasted. Follow the link for best results.

[xultar]

3. Clark is a REPUG ...Just kidding

about his stance on the IRAQ war. He also praised Bush. He's a baby killer war monger who is a war criminal escaping from justice. He has republican hair and he looks like count dracula.

OK now that we've got that out of the way let's discuss the poll.

What is it saying?

[NewJeffCT]

4. Encouraging numbers

A large majority say that * is not in touch with their problems... (57 to 42 or something) and, I think I saw that more were definitely voting against Bush vs voting for him (33 definitely against and 24 definitely for...)

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

5. EEEEEEEEEvil!

You forgot:

1) Clark is anti-baby
2) Clark is pro-cancer
3) Clark doesn't watch "Survivor"
4) Clark didn't like the new Beyonce album

and most damning of all:

5) He doesn't subscribe to digital cable

Really, I don't think I want to raise children in a world where such a man is president.

[Julien Sorel]

17. Who cares if he didn't like the Beyonce album?

4) Clark didn't like the new Beyonce album

What matters is if you like Beyonce. That woman alone is responsible for half the global warming we've been experiencing ;-)

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

23. I respect Beyonce for her musical talent

No, honest. I swear.

[Mz Pip]

6. Clark and Dean

are tied at 16%, Kerry is next with 12%

Bush's unfavorables are climbing a bit and the % people who will definitely not vote for him is about 10 point high than the people who definitely will.

THat's about it in a nutshell.

MzPip
:dem:

[FrenchieCat]

8. I guess the question will become ....

who gets the 68% now attributed to other candidates and to favorite son "Don't Know"....when some of these candidates start to drop out!

That's why anybody saying that this nomination is in the bag is fooling themselves! Can you hear me Dean folks?????

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

21. Oh yes, I forgot

Thanks for reminding me, ALL of us "Dean folks" are CONVINCED that he's going to win everything. ALL of us think he's a lock for the nomination. ALL of us think there's nobody else competitive in the race. ALL of us think the race is over, not just starting.

And there I was, thinking that the primaries are two months off, that "don't know" still gets the most votes in these polls, and that the general election is still a year away. Thank you for reminding me that I don't actually think those things, but rather that he has it "in the bag."

Don't forget, next time you're stereotyping all of us, be sure to hammer home the talking points (we're being duped, we're all basically cult members, none of us can express an independent thought, etc.). I notice you forgot those this time.

[Zynx]

13. Kerry is at 10%. Gephardt is at 12%.

[ryharrin]

7. Don't forget that Dean is unelectable.

Can't let him get nominated, or else he'll just lie down and let Bush make ad after ad attacking him without responding.

[FrenchieCat]

10. See my post above

84% of Democrats are not saying "DEAN".......We've got the power a la Tim Robbins....only 16% are......

So the conversation is just beginning.......

[TexasPatriot]

20. following that logic

68% are saying "Not Dean or Clark" (and i'm in the Clark camp). To me it says there's a lot of people out there that like a lot of different things. In some sense - this is a good thing - we have a pretty 'big tent' party. In another, well, it denies us a single banner to rally behind.

So - considering this - i really wish the candidates would stop all the negative campaigning and just focus on positives. You can contrast your position with another candidate without it being an attack.

[slinkerwink]

19. huh?

Dean's going to respond----he's a fighter for chrissakes (also used to be a wrestler in high school)---there's no way he's going to let Bush shaft him in the general election.

[Bread and Circus]

14. It says Clark's and Dean's support nationally is about the same..

It also shows Clark gaining a coupla points but could
be statistical variance.

My summary, Clark is holding tight. On the other hand,
he is doing not hot in NH right now.

I think thing will look a lot clearer in march ;)

[flpoljunkie]

9. Note:68% of Dems might change their vote for nomination!Only 30% certain!

8. Are you certain to support a candidate for the Democratic nomination, or do you think you might change your mind?              

Certain to vote 30%
Might change vote 68%
No opinion 2%

2003 Nov 14-16

Margin of error ±5 percentage points.  Based on 393 Democrats or Democratic leaners who express a candidate preference.

(It is apparent that the Democratic nomination for the Presidency is still wide open--68% figure is astounding--as much as Karl Rove and the media prefer to tout Dean as the inevitable nominee.)

[FrenchieCat]

11. amen! (n/t)

My sentiments posted exactly!

[Bread and Circus]

15. That's good because I think all the candidates need...

more scrutiny.

[JohnKleeb]

18. but its gonna be Clark and Dean to the end no matter what

;) Yes indeed it is still anyone's game. Keep in mind there hasnt been a single primary yet too. Just sayin people.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Hmmm...Edwards had 9% NATIONALLY just last week?

I think I would have noticed...

[hlthe2b]

16. It's still an ABB race....

but, I do think it is time for some to rethink staying in the race...

[Jackhammer Jesus]

22. You know, I have it on good authority that Clark's campaign is stumbling..

Oops. Guess I may have spoke too soon.

:P