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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:32 PM
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Wes Clark's proposals on Gun Issues, may be surprising...
Issues link: http://clark04.com/issues/

Here's the pdf: http://clark04.com/downloads/pdf/Clark04_GunSafety.pdf

Here's a sample:

"Renew the assault weapons ban. These weapons are dangerous and designed for one purpose: military assault. We don't need them on the streets of our cities. We use assault weapons in the army; folks who want to use them should enlist.

Make sure that guns are designed with safety as a priority. For example, trigger locks on handguns would prevent a substantial number of the accidental shootings that occur every year. And such locks are no more of a threat to liberty than are seatbelts in cars. In addition, guns should feature indicators that show when they are loaded. Design features like these cannot take the place of training in gun safety, and the need to secure guns from children, but they will make all gun owners and their families safer from accidental discharges.

Retain the records of gun purchase background checks as a tool for investigating crime. Attorney General John Ashcroft has proposed a rule to destroy these records after only one day. Ironically, these appear to be the only privacy rights that this Administration believes should not be sacrificed in the war on terrorism.

Help law enforcement use existing technology to fight crime. Ballistic fingerprinting is already helping the FBI and local law enforcement agencies identify guns that are used in crimes. We should require such fingerprinting of guns before they are sold, and create a national database of such information. If we are serious about preventing gun violence and terrorism, we need to embrace technology that will help prevent criminals from remaining anonymous."

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As a Clark supporter, I am really proud of where the general
is on this. He seems responsible to me anyway. It's worth
a read.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:34 PM
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1. Well, I like to here the gun stance of a person that has actually been
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 05:35 PM by xultar
shot. That makes it real for me.
(EDIT) Have any of you seen that movie Powder when he takes the hand of the hunter and let's him feel how it feels to be shot. Powerfull, the guy a hunter took all of his guns and threw them out.)
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:12 AM
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12. Are you a vegitarian?
If not, then the hunter is more moral because he does his own killing.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:35 PM
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2. There's a whole host
of new policy papers up on the site - at least they're new for me since I just noticed them this morning.

www.clark04.com
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:42 PM
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3. Common sense gun regulation.
:bounce:

Only the paranoid guys waiting for the end of civilization as we know it could hate this.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 05:45 PM
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4. even the paranoid
Edited on Mon Nov-17-03 05:47 PM by lunabush
should have enuf time to unlock their trigger locks. Sensible and safe stuff.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 06:17 PM
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5. But they don't want the government to know what they have.
It has to be a big secret, and they can save their little patch from marauding starving people or is it marauding government bureaucrats or the marauding bands of storm troopers? Hmm...I forget.

:D
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 11:59 PM
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10. Like me?
With Bush in command the end could be near ANYTIME.

And yes what good is a .45 versus a nuclear bomb.

Gun owning Dem here.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 11:42 PM
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6. kick -- just to compete with Clark flamebait threads.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 11:44 PM
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7. This is great: not a candidate the NRA would approve of
But one I do!

Too bad he's a PNACer, secret DLC plant, crypto-republican warmonger, as DU tells us
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 11:51 PM
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8. I am in favor of gun control
but I do have a real problem with trigger locks. First, I fear they could lead to a false sence of security about the guns. Second, and more importantly, I think that people who are childless and legitimatly have a gun for protection shouldn't have to deal with those locks. I wouldn't get a gun under any circumstances but if I did a trigger lock would render it worthless. I live in a very small apartment and would have only seconds to prepare for an intruder. I can see the point of gun owners on that issue.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-17-03 11:53 PM
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9. More here:
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:00 AM
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11. kick
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:16 AM
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13. Dammit I want an AK-47 for Chistmas!
AK-47. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherf*cker in the room, accept no substitutes. :evilgrin:
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:18 AM
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14. I'd rather have a MAC 9mm loaded with +p+
like in Scarface.
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incontrovertible Donating Member (643 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:27 AM
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17. non-owner?
AK-47 = a crappy homeboy piece. There's a reason the Marines, the FBI Hostage Rescue squads, and every military on earth with a real budget carries the M-16. It isn't how much you spray, it's how many times you hit a target. If, in a duel, I were offered either an AK-47 with a thirty-round clip, or an AR-15 with a 10-round clip, and my opponent got the other, I would pick the AR-15, without question.

These are vanity pieces, regardless. In real life, in defending a home, all one needs, or should want, is a pump-action 12-gauge. Stop an intruder without shooting through the walls and killing your neighbor, as a semi-auto rifle definitely will do, when you miss, repeatedly, firing insanely at the shadow in your living room.
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:35 AM
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18. Quote from Jackie Brown.
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 12:36 AM by SahaleArm
Personally I could care less what people buy.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:19 AM
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15. What about cosmetic look-alikes to assault rifles?
Those are rifles that have regular semi-auto workings internally, but look like real assault rifles.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 12:22 AM
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16. See the link in my post
He thinks some of them are OK.
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