Chris Matthew's JUST Asked THE Question

[matcom]

of Braun, and I DO think its relevant here.....

"If YOU were an Iraqi, when the tanks were rolling down YOUR street, tanks of a FOREIGN INVADER, what would YOU do?"

Would YOU fight back? would YOU be "justified"?

yes. or. no.

on edit: you are answering a former TANKER here...... who traveled and marched for PEACE in DC Oct 25 2002!!!! (just sayin')

[arcane1]

1. someone finally asks the question...

and he asks Braun?

:wtf:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

2. Yeah no kidding.

Why not ask Rumsfield, Rice, Bremer, Cheney or Bush the same question?

[ibegurpard]

22. Exactly

Until he poses the same question to any of these people it's just ridiculous

[Terwilliger]

3. what did she say?

[Eric J in MN]

12. Braun said she cannot put herself into their shoes (nt)

nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. smart woman bruan is..she knows tweety is an asshole and an insult

to her intelligence

good answer

[jeter]

4. This is why I think Matthews is a bastard

He asks these loaded questions. "If you were an Iraqi" how about "if you were a Martian and had only three weeks before Mars blows up, would you come and invade the Earth? Yes or no?"

Loaded hypothetical question.

Her answer should be "I am not an Iraqi, I am an American."

[matcom]

6. so, that makes it NOT a relevant question?

i'm curious.

how many Iraqi's do you suppose once had the same ideology?

[arcane1]

10. sadly, it's the answer that is loaded

can you see the headline:

"Braun says she'd take up arms against Americans if she were in Iraq right now"

what he SHOULD'VE asked is what she would do as an American, if tanks were rolling down an American street. Putting her in Iraq like that is a hole...

:grr:

[MUAD_DIB]

18. She should have said that shed do what any

red-blooded American would do ...unless that was * in which case he'd probably go AWOL again.

[FredScuttle]

20. It's a ridiculous hypothetical to ask Braun...

Sorry, but I don't get Tweety's point, or yours...is he trying to trap a Democratic candidate into saying the Iraqi resistance is justified in killing Americans?

Her answer should have been: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU SCREECHING BLOND IDIOT?!!!

[matcom]

24. not a trap at all

WHAT WOULD YOU DO???

i DAMN sure know what *I* WOULD DO!

[virtualobserver]

38. of course it is a trap.....

why someone is asking a question is as important as what they are asking. The point is that he would never ask that question of Bush, only a Democrat.

[number6]

5. Who's Braun ????

:shrug:

[Melinda]

7. I'm coming Elizabeth!!!!!!!!

You are kidding - right?

[Nihil]

45. Hi Melinda

Even if Number6 was kidding, can you please humour an Englishman
and explain in non-sarcastic terms who Carol Braun is?

Thanks :-)

Nihil

[Mz Pip]

8. Well,

I live in America and if there were tanks on my street of a foreign invader I'd do my best to do some damage. I suspect the Iraqis feel pretty much like me.

MzPip
:dem:

[Monte Carlo]

9. If I were an Iraqi, I might fight against the invaders.

If I were an Iraqi.

Right and wrong don't really enter into the equation.

[matcom]

11. if "they" were occupying "us"

would it be "right" or would it be "wrong"?????

[Monte Carlo]

46. I'd say war isn't about who's right or wrong.

It seems to be an irrelevant question. War is about killing, not morality.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

13. He wasted 5 minutes asking her why Dean is doing so well

She's saying "I don't know!"

Why doesn't Tweety just say "Look Carole - you're not interesting - so let's just talk about Dean." I'd be a little po'd if I were her.

[tnlefty]

14. As I tried to explain to my Mom who's having a hard time accepting that

"wonder boy" is a lying jackass...

If someone was threatening war on the US and a deal could be made so that those who want the Global Village Idiot would just take him and leave - cool. If not, as much as I despise Bush*, I would resist. It wouldn't have a damned thing to do with Bush* it's about not wanting one's country invaded and occupied. For these people it's the same. It's not about Hussein. They're fighting for their country.

She was speechless.

[Egnever]

15. Hmm tough question

Only because saddam was a pretty brutal guy. So I would probably have been initially happy to see them. But I would want them out as quickly as possible and if they started dragging thier feet on it I would definately start doing what I could to nudge em out the door.

[arcane1]

19. initially happy to see them...

assuming your first sight of them wasn't a bomb landing on your house

I'd go to my grave as a "Bush Loyalist" before I let tanks mow down MY neighborhood!!!!

[Tatiana]

16. Someone needs to say it.

Someone, one of these candidates, needs to be forceful enough, have enough character and gravitas to make the point that if WE were being invaded by an occupying force, we would take up arms to protect ourselves and our country.

[matcom]

17. that won't be popular here on DU

and for that i am SAD

you are right of course BUT it AIN'T happening to "US" and therefore we cannot relate.

when i marched for PEACE i fucking MEANT it dammit!

and you know what? i would DEFEND it.

let the anti-troop bullshit begin :eyes:

[Tatiana]

33. And I'm sad too.

Because that means everyone's ignoring the fact that, in all honesty, the majority of the insurgents in Iraq killing our soldiers aren't TERRORISTS.

And therein lies the point. Somebody's gonna have to admit that the war in Iraq isn't about fighting TERRORISTS (THOSE people are in SAUDI ARABIA) or terrorism. This war was all about making Bush's friends richer and advancing PNAC plans.

Which means our men and women died, not to protect this nation, but for dollars.

I wanna hear Clark say that.

[NicoleM]

41. Word.

How is it that we go in and kill thousands of innocent people, but we're not terrorists, meanwhile they fight back against our soldiers we call them terrorists?

:wtf:

[Skittles]

23. Tweety was practically jerking off when Dubya landed on the carrier

changed his tune a bit, has he? What an asshole.

[Cocoa]

35. him and Fineman together

I wonder which one ended up eating the Ritz cracker?

[CWebster]

25. Everything Carol talks about matters in the real life of people.

She has a sense of the really important things--education, children, the future generations- all discussed with grace and warmth. Why is it that the things that matter in the lives and experiences of human families--their concerns for the quality of life for their families--why does this take a back seat to the male bravado and arrogant strutting of male pissing contests that rip apart human families and drain resources that could be used to enable a better quality of life for our families?

I am sick of generals, with their talk of winning wars and enemies. I am fed up with pandering politicians harking back to the horror of their war experience as glory days. I am disgusted that 911 is the excuse used to make the country a police state, and the despised rogue police force of the world - with a generation of youth, mindlessly idolizing the uniform as a symbol of power. Such is the legacy of Bush, and it's poison even taints the Left.

[SahaleArm]

26. I hope you support a pacifist...

because none of the Democrats fit your description outside of Kucinich, Sharpton, and Braun. BTW nice indirect jab at Clark. And the people of Rwanda, missing a few limbs, thank you for your non-interventionist principles.

[CWebster]

28. The jab was direct,

I don't grovel at the feet of generals who lead kids into war and demonize innocents as the enemy, so they can crash through doors in the middle of the night and torch communities, brutalize and humiliate families, blow up buildings, destroy cultures and history, and put a nice gloss of liberation and patriotism over the whole obscenity, like the victims of our aggression should be kissing our jackboots for bringing them democracy.

Sorry, I've been around that block and you can't sell me that juvenile boy's fantasy.

[SahaleArm]

29. Who's your I'll never lead America into harms way Candidate?

Cause it sure as hell better not be Dean who fully supported the miltary assault on Afghanistan? Not to mention intervention in Liberia.

[CWebster]

31. ahh, there it is again--the pacifist charge, along with the demand:

"who is your candidate".

Notice in my post about Carol, I regreted that our priorities were not more in keeping with the values she discussed, instead of war, which we got scammed into, and military heros - which is acting out on Bush's fantasy.

Instead you try to twist it into a Dean conflict or bring up the "pacifist" charge--which is right out of the freeper playbook.

[SahaleArm]

32. Not really...

Your first post ended with an anti-military rant against Wes Clark; with a few tidbits of information denouncing Bush. I have nothing against pacifism; just hypocrisy.

[CWebster]

37. Who claimed Dean was a pacifist?

Did anyone?

Unlike you Clark foot soldiers who hail your mighty chief, I can express an opinion or even, dissent or disagree with a candidate without fucking saluting.

[SahaleArm]

39. You have the power? F*ck that.

Definition of a rant:

I am sick of generals, with their talk of winning wars and enemies. I am fed up with pandering politicians harking back to the horror of their war experience as glory days. I am disgusted that 911 is the excuse used to make the country a police state, and the despised rogue police force of the world - with a generation of youth, mindlessly idolizing the uniform as a symbol of power. Such is the legacy of Bush, and it's poison even taints the Left.

I'm not following some kook screaming 'You have the power!' while his true believers scream it back in unison like some kind of cult.

[CWebster]

42. Actually you spun that into Clark

I was thinking of all the (ret) generals (including Clark) who dominated our biased, fear-mongering-mouthpiece-for-liars airwaves post 911. The pandering politician was more of a reference to Kerry, actually. And the entire point was that the issues Carol brings to the table are overshadowed by outdated, testosterone-driven, dick-strutting around the world. It doesn't have to do with "pacifism", as it is was some grieveous sin of hypocrisy---it has to do with monumental STUPIDITY. Same goes for your Clark troops constant demand to reveal where our allegiances lie("Who is your candidate?") as if we are drawing lots in some battle and declaring sides between good guys and bad guys. As if we can't have an opinion independent of our declared allegiance.

As for your jealousy about a politician rallying a crowd--hey what's the point? If he didn't get an enthusiastic response--there would be complaints, if he rallied the crowd, there would be complaints...

[SahaleArm]

43. If Pacifists ruled the world I wouldn't complain.

Just a little tired off all the tit-for-tat lately with a subset of Deanies. Before I put up the Clark symbol every 'true believer' from Seattle to Vermont asked for affiliation when I argued about Dean's positions. Goes with the territory.

EOT.

[CWebster]

44. Military idiocy isn't going to solve the world's problems,

if there are fundamental issues of injustice or a thinly veiled ambition to secure natural resources, using US troops as cannon fodder to procure US interests for Halliburton.

Sorry, I just don't see the demands for "who is your guy" coming from any other camp, though I do hear it echoed among the Clark corps....but that could be because they are all climbing aboard with a singular objective.

;-)

Oh well, must get to this work piling up. Ciao.

[Cocoa]

27. I thought you meant the HIllary question

Did he ask her if she thought Hillary would run? He's asked everyone else.

[UTUSN]

30. So Why Isn't Tweety on a Street with Tanks?

He's SUCH a *pacifist*-----------FOR ME TO *POOP* ON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oasis]

34. Tweety is asking her so he can justify asking Clark the same question

two/three weeks from today. Clark's answer will be used in a Karl Rove/Bush campaign add if there is the slightest hint of sympathy for the plight of the Iraqis.

[maggrwaggr]

36. Let's ask another question:

If you were an American, and your country was taken over by a bunch of fascist war criminals hell-bent on causing wars around the planet, and sending countless American soldiers to their grave, and lining their pockets as they did so .....

what would you do?

would you take to the streets and revolt?

Would you storm the white house and throw these guys out?

Apparently not. We're too "civilized" for that, no?

At least the Iraqis have nothing to be ashamed of.

[incapsulated]

40. What's he asking her for?

Why doesn't he ask the fucking rethugs who pushed for this war and who still support it these "tough questions"?

Oh, wait, what was I thinking...

[Nihil]

47. First ...

I'd make sure that my family were as far out of the area as possible
(in case the invaders were arrogant thugs who ignore the Geneva
convention and engage in indiscriminate murder of civilians) then
I'd have a little look around as to what targets were available.
There's bound to be a few openings for creative individuals who have
both the incentive (to defend their country) and the patience (to wait
for the invaders to get careless).

Of course, I'd make sure that I carry my (or someone's) ID, behave
nice & politely despite provocation and ensure that I let the unwanted
foreigners treat me with the contempt for the conquered ... as by
doing so, they will underestimate the danger that they are in.

My sympathy for the invading soldiers (i.e., being at the sharp end
of their leader's bad decisions) would only last until the first
civilians had been killed ("collateral damage"). After that point,
it's open season sunshine.

Nihil

[recidivist]

48. She should have said, "If my children had been fed through the chipper ...

... or thrown alive to the dogs, I'd thank the Americans for throwing out Saddam.

"But if I were a torturer or murderer for Saddam, I'd probably be against the Americans.

"So which side are YOU on, Chris?"