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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:07 PM
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Zell Miller: Draft May Be Necessary to Win War on Terror

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/11/3/164417.shtml

Don't forget Miller has already endorsed Bush. You can see the directions the conservatives are going.

Zell Miller: Draft May Be Necessary to Win War on Terror

The U.S. may need to reinstate a military draft in order to win the war on terrorism, retiring Sen. Zell Miller said on Monday.

"While I don't think we're close to that yet, that may be on down the line," the Georgia Democrat told nationally syndicated radio host Sean Hannity.

"We must stay the course," explained Miller. "We cannot cut and run because if we do not fight this war in Iraq we're going to have to fight in on the streets of America. And we cannot allow that to happen."

"Perhaps may be something we have to consider on down the line," the former Marine added. "It will be tough. A lot of people will not like it. But it may very well be something that we have to look at very seriously."
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:08 PM
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1. Zell Who
NT
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:10 PM
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2. I hope Canada opens for a mass exodus from the US
cause thats what will happen.....
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:19 PM
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12. Sorry - Canada has already signed agreements to return whoever we ask for
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:25 PM
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16. Well, I've already begun making plans to
immigrate to Canada should Shrub and the Smirkinos still be in power in 2005, legitimately or illegitimately. In fact, legitimately is even worse, because the sheeple will have been stupid enough to finally vote for their own extinction, and I simply ain't gonna stick around to see it. And my son is near thirteen, and I'll be good and goddamned if I'm going to allow him to be sucked up into the repukian perpetual war machine to be used as political fodder. I'm dead fucking serious, I just can't take it anymore and if we lose I'm outta here. In fact, even if we win, I may still be outta here because I've fucking HAD IT, and there is NO FUCKING WAY they're going to get their grubby bloody little hands on my son.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:13 PM
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3. The Repubes are running this through focus groups as we speak
They are sending out a lot of tial balloons to see what message they can get by with for 2004. Of course what they actually do may have little to do with what they say but I think that is what this is just like the newest LEAKED memo they are promoting.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:13 PM
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4. I can't believe the majority of Americans would support a draft....
if they don't, then Zell is doing more damage to his best buddies than anything else. It seems to me that the more the question of a Bush draft is out there before 04, the better.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:26 PM
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17. A majority of the people didn't vote for Smirky either
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:14 PM
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5. The draft is the only way that the PNAC Imperial American WarMachine
...can keep going.

First send in the shock troops, followed by the occupying force, then move on to another country.

Do as the Romans.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:15 PM
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6. Why on Earth does Zell still have a (D) after his name?
He has endorsed Bush* for election (not "re-election", obviously).

He has volunteered to campaign for Bush*!

And now he supports the draft??!!

Oh, I get it! The (D) is for Dunce! :dunce:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:39 PM
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21. No, the (D) is for Dupe...Bushevik Dupe.
Either that or he is straight-up on Uncle Karl's Payroll...or he is a quisling who is smelling the Imperial Winds and wants to be on the winning side (just like Quisling, eh?)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:53 PM
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24. Zell Q. Miller eom
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:16 PM
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7. The man is evil
as the plan is evil.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:16 PM
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8. "Democrat proposes reinstituting military draft"
I can see the crawlers on the newschannels now. Dems don't need this bastard anyway.


Time for Zell to switch.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:19 PM
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14. That's exactly the spin they'll give it
There's no coincidence that this was first raised publicly by a Dem. Even if he is Bush's pool boy, there will be those who associate this with the Democrats.

If we regain control of Congress in 2004, I'm willing to bet Zell would choose that moment to switch if it meant giving control to the Repubs. Maybe we should help him make the decision now.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:17 PM
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9. Find Zell. Let's send YOUR son FIRST!!
Fucking Reich Winger!!
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:18 PM
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10. I Think We Should Send Your Ass Over There Zell.
You Go Fight Your Pal Bush's War. :-(
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:19 PM
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11. Who are you calling "We" Kimosabe?
"We cannot cut and run"

Then you put your sorry ass into a HumVee and do patrol in Baghdad, you sorry sack of crap.

"we're going to have to fight in on the streets of America."

Fight who? The Iraqis? Zell, does it get through your thick skull that by barging in there and killing some 100,000 people or more that we are creating the terrorists that you so fear?

We need to fight on the streets of America all right, but we need to fight to throw imbeciles and ideologues out of power. You and they pose a greater threat to the security of America than the terrorists your are creating.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:19 PM
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13. deja vu
"We cannot cut and run because if we do not fight this war in Iraq we're going to have to fight in on the streets of America. And we cannot allow that to happen."

My dad told me that this was the same thing the recruiter told him about Vietnam back in the day, that one day we would have to fight the pajama'ed V.C. in the rural midwest if we did not fight them in the jungles of SE Asia.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:24 PM
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15. "depart, I never knew ye"
...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:32 PM
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20. SELECTIVE SERVICE PLAN TO REACTIVATE DRAFT BY JUNE 15, 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOOK AT THIS! $28 million EXTRA being spent to reduce activation of the draft from 8 months to 75 days!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

This FY 2004 APP identifies the activities and strategies that will take place during the
fiscal year to achieve Agency goals and objectives. It also identifies relevant performance
measurement target goals to be achieved. The performance goals for FY 2004 are:

1. Develop an Area Office Prototype Exercise that will test the Health
Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) work flows and support
programs.

2. Redefine Agency infrastructure based on a Quinquennial Workload
Study.

3. Prepare and conduct an Area Office Prototype Exercise which tests
the activation process from SSS Lottery input to the issuance of the
first Armed Forces Examination Orders.

4. Ensure 90% of people tested are capable of implementing activation
procedures.

5. Ensure that 95% of the predefined readiness objectives are attained
and validated during an Area Office Prototype Exercise.

6. Train 90% of assigned State Directors (SDs) and Reserve Force
Officers (RFOs) on HCPDS and Timed-Phased Response (TPR)
functions and responsibilities.

7. Attain a 92% or greater compliance rate for men 18 through 25 years
old.

8. Attain and appoint Registrars in 85% of the Nation’s high schools.

9. Obtain 75% of all registrations electronically.

10. Maintain an average systems change request implementation time of
39 days.

11. Maintain a functional proponent and customer satisfaction level of
87%.

12. Have a telephone call completion rate of 93% or higher.

13. Answer correspondence in less than 10 days.

14. Train 90% of assigned SDs and RFOs on Alternative Service plans
and procedures.

ANNUAL PERFORMANCE REPORT

An annual report providing the results of the implementation of these performance
measures will be submitted by March 31, 2005. This report will address attained versus
planned levels of performance, explain unattained target levels, and identify where and
how strategies, performance goals, and performance indicators should be changed to
ensure that the SSS reaches its strategic and annual goals and objectives.

VERIFICATION AND VALIDATION OF PERFORMANCE INDICATORS

A variety of methodologies and techniques will be employed to verify and validate the
Agency performance indicators associated with each of the goals and objectives identified
in this plan. The verification and validation will be conducted by SSS employees using
data generated by internal systems.

RELATIONSHIP TO THE BUDGET

The SSS has not completed installation of all the systems that will fully capture budgeted
costs associated with its performance goals as identified in its APP. SSS has identified the
necessary data collection objectives and developed a methodology for its collection.
Based on the data collection plan, as implemented during FY 2003, the Agency will align
its FY 2004 Budget Estimate and Budget Justification funding stream to coincide with its
goals delineated in its FY 2004 APP. This system is designed to capture and record at the
lowest practical level, all costs incurred by performance goals. It will reflect true costs
associated with the attainment of each annual performance goal.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Strategic Goal 1: Increase the effectiveness and efficiency of the Manpower
Delivery Systems (Projected allocation for FY 2004 – $7,942,000)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Strategic Objective 1.1: Within current legislative guidance, enhance the Agency’s ability
to respond flexibly to a DoD request for health care personnel using the Agency’s HCPDS.

How success will be measured:

The Agency’s HCPDS Manual meets or exceeds the predetermined user satisfaction rating.

Integrate DoD manpower requirements and other relevant
requirements into the HCPDS Program to better meet expansion and manpower delivery requirements.

Complete 90% of project tasks in accordance with project milestones.

By 2004, 90% of the Agency’s assigned SDs and RFOs are capable of implementing the policies and procedures contained in the HCPDS Manual.

Obtain maximum participation in a full-scale readiness exercise with at least 90% of the Agency’s participating units achieving satisfactory performance evaluations.

FY 1999 Annual Performance Goal:

Achieve 90% of predetermined FY 1999 exercise objectives and
standards.

Results: Ninety percent achieved.

FY 2000 Annual Performance Goal:

Train 90% of SDs and RFOs on HCPDS plans, policies, and
procedures.

Results: Ninety-eight percent of SDs and 95% of RFOs completed training.

FY 2001 Annual Performance Goal:

Update and maintain the HCPDS Manual.

Results: The current HCPDS is up-to-date. An HCPDS index was created, printed, and delivered to the field.

FY 2002 Annual Performance Goal:

Update and maintain the Agency’s HCPDS Manual.

Results: The HCPDS Guide has been reviewed and
updated.

FY 2003 Annual Performance Goal:

Update and maintain the Agency’s HCPDS Manual.

FY 2004 Annual Performance Goal:

Develop an Area Office Prototype Exercise which will test the HCPDS
work flows and its automated support programs.

Baseline:

The results of the FY 1999 Readiness Exercise (REX) established a
baseline of 90%.

Strategies:

SSS staff meets with DoD to assess HCPDS requirements.

Continue to develop and maintain contacts within Department of
Defense, Department of Veterans Affairs, Federal Emergency
Management Agency, American Medical Association, and other
organizations involved with national health care programs.
FY 2001-2006.

Redesign HCPDS software. FY 2001-2003.

Update/improve the HCPDS Manual. FY 2001-2003.

Update the HCPDS Guide. FY 2001 and 2003.

Update the HCPDS based upon FY 1999 exercise results; FY 1999 test results, policy, and procedural changes. FY 2001-2003.

Develop an Area Office Prototype Exercise which will test the HCPDS work flows and its automated support programs. FY 2004.

Prepare, conduct, and evaluate an Area Office Prototype Exercise for health care in FY 2005.

Strategic Objective 1.2: Ensure a mobilization infrastructure of 56 State Headquarters,
442 Area Offices and 1,980 Local Boards are operational within 75 days of an authorized
return to conscription.
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:27 PM
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18. Shouldn't Zell be recalled?
Can't the people of Georgia petition to get this Republican removed from office. He has clearly violated his oath of office.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:56 PM
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26. Are you kidding me?
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 03:57 PM by Hippo_Tron
He's either the first or second most popular politician in Georgia. Zell unfortunately won't be going anywhere until retirement.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:29 PM
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19. Kick Zell out immediately.
He's obviously just a tool to damage the Democratic Party from the inside.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 01:44 PM
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22. This is the best news
to come out of old Zell's mouth. He's keeping the issue of a draft in the forefront. Great advertisement for the Dems.
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shmeptor Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:43 PM
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23. Didn't Charles Rangel
submit legislation to bring back the draft last year?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:54 PM
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25. Zell Miller moves from Republican to ass-hole...
On my list.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 04:06 PM
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27. that would build a radical leftist movement...
Smart neo-cons know that draft would undermine them greatly. Smart progressives know that too which explains Rangel's almost-sincere pro-draft effort.

A draft would galvanize a new "New Left." No doubt about it. High schools and junior highs and colleges too would become fertile recruiting grounds for all manner of leftist.
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