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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:36 PM
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Poll question: is this CNN cartoon offensive
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:39 PM
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1. It's offensive in that it makes no sense & I wasted my time looking at it
:eyes:
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:52 PM
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13. EVERYONE!!
i just got an I.M. from someone who wants the link to write a leter of complaint, we all should
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:39 PM
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2. Not offensive. Just stupid, narrow-minded, propaganda
for those who think we don't have to follow the Geneva convention and that anyone the government doesn't like can just be locked away forever without a trial
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:39 PM
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3. offensive, no
Phenomenally stupid, but not offensive.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:40 PM
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4. cartoon
If that is not indicative of CNN's right-wing bent I don't know what is. Yes, that is offensive to me because it is misleading.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:42 PM
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5. signed "rightoons"
brought to you by rightloons, couresty of CNN.

RIGHTOONS
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:43 PM
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6. I consider it racist
a majority of those who are serving in Guantanamo are Arab. On top of that, some of them may not even be criminals because we really don't know. For them to portray people who are Arab, or Punjabi, or Urdu in a manner like that is highly offensive. They are not even wearing their traditional garb in their cartoon.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:44 PM
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9. thats what i was going for
that is really a racist way to portray the people in gitmo
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:43 PM
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7. If We Can Dish It Out...
...we should be able to take it.

I like political cartoons because they can offend the hell outta Republicans. So we should accept it when the message goes the other way. Doesn't make the 'toon any less stupid, tho.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:44 PM
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8. It's offensive if you believe in democracy
and have a sliver of hope left for our 'justice' system.

It implies US Courts are not part of our LEGAL system which (in theory) protects the innocent and punishes the guilty.
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BloodyWilliam Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:46 PM
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10. At the risk of sounding offensive, myself.
Not stupid. Just really really really really really fucking dumb.

And... hearing cases is somehow wrong? It promotes terrorism? I thought there was crap like due process!

For fuck's sake, people, just because a SUSPECTED terrorist is tried doesn't mean he'll be let free! It means that if there's actual EVIDENCE of him being a terrorist, he'll be put in the can or worse!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:47 PM
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11. shouldn't that be "poor SUSPECTED terrorist"?
isn't that wthe whole point of giving these people hearings? Because NOBODY KNOWS WHO THEY ARE????

totally dishonest cartoon
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 02:50 PM
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12. Everything Bob Lang does is offensive
Including BREATHING!
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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:03 PM
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14. Yes...
... because whatever a person may have done, that person is still a human being and not some sort of tasmanian devil.

As to the rest of it, the U.S. is the nation that doesn't consider itself bound by the World Court (or am I not "getting" the cartoon?). And it's probably not a bad idea to show that these prisoners are held in cages about three feet square. When I have to send my dogs to be boarded for a weekend, their runs are three feet wide, seven feet high, and seven or eight feet long with a roof to keep the sun and/or rain off them and an enclosed "house" with a soft cushion inside to sleep on... and the lady who runs the kennel will bring them inside her house if the weather gets really bad.

Is a comparison of Bush and Hitler really so far off?
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:07 PM
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16. the only difference
was that hitler gasses the people he detained.
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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:05 PM
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15. All those towelheads are subhuman is the message
It is the same message we pushed on the japanese during WWII.

It was offensive then and now.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:10 PM
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17. This cartoonist must get his ideas from Ann Coulter.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:21 PM
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18. YES
it is digusting to assume that people who haven't been charged with ANYTHING are RABID KILLERS.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:27 PM
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19. It is racist and anti-American
since it pretty much throws the whole concept of "innocent until proven guilty" onto the trasheap of yesterday.

They should be ashamed of themselves but we all know they have none left.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:27 PM
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20. What kind of racist nazi doesn't think this is offensive?
I can't think how any intelligent american who loves their country and their constitution wouldn't be offended by this cartoon.

So what's your excuse?
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dwckabal Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:27 PM
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21. I don't want to sound stupid,
but isn't this a dig at the Supreme Court?
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:29 PM
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22. Not really offensive - just bad cartooning.
The dialogue is way too muddled, there's no twist. Nothing clever... just a kind of literal illustration of a somewhat unfocussed statement.

I see bad cartoons on the left, too. This is just a poorly done cartoon.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:30 PM
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23. Is the cartoon offensive? No.
Is Guantanamo offensive? yes.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 03:38 PM
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24. Ok help me out here - I see this as Black humor
What offends me is the accuracy of this cartoon thanks to the way our Supreme Court has been regressing lately.

I see this as a total slam on Bush and the SC acting as if they have any authority on internationals and having the audacity to label people terrorists in advance of any hearing (just like this cartoon does).


To me the cartoon isn't offensive- it's tragic; what's offensive is our Supreme Court.

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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 04:03 PM
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25. Just "other-izes" the detainees, and presumes them guilty
You know, qualities that used to be un-American.
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