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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:32 PM
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Are wingnuts capable of committing suicide attacks against Democrats?
I've been pondering this question for awhile. They certainly have many of the same fanatical cultural and personality traits seen among Muslim extremists. Some of the odd Dem deaths could be explained by the presence of a crazed pilot deliberately planted to do the dirty deed for the glory of God and his personal secretary, G.W. Bush*. Of course I'm thinking about the NTSB's ruling that Wellstone's death was due to "pilot error". But I'm also wondering if Carnahan and his son were flying the plane themselves or had a pilot.

:tinfoilhat: anyone?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:33 PM
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1. No - they lack the courage
Of course what they lack in courage they make up for in stupidity
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:37 PM
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7. B b b but, put 5 of them in a room and they'll attack the world!
Just look at the chickenhawks in the WH.

Individually they are whimpering yellow bellies, together they are the very definition of attempted hegemony.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:21 PM
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25. I disagree, there a LOT of whackos, check out this sick guy!!!
Check out this psycho:

http://markbyron.typepad.com/main/2003/11/the_usefulness__1.html

(snip)
Note-I am NOT advocating the following fantasy episode, but it has a following in the darker parts of my mind.

WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about 200 CLF commandos stormed the Supreme Court building, killing 35 people, including five Supreme Court Justices. At the same time, a contingent of 1,000 CLF paramilitaries attacked the Hart Senate Office Building, where a Senate Democratic Caucus meeting was being held. Approximately 50 people were killed in the attack. Once the commandos had seized the building, they systematically killed Democratic senators from states with Republican governors. Here is a list of the 21 senators killed Daniel Akaka Byron Dorgan Mary Landrieu
John Breaux Bob Graham Blanche Lincoln
Hillary Clinton Ernest Hollings Barbara Mikulski
Kent Conrad Daniel Inouyye David Pryor
Tom Daschle Tim Johnson Harry Reid
Mark Dayton Ted Kennedy Paul Sarbanes
Chris Dodd John Kerry Chuch Schumer

Joe Lieberman was campaigning in South Carolina, and missed the assassins. The attackers turned themselves in to police, and are proudly confessing their crimes, cooperating with authorities.

If the governors appoint Republican replacements, there will be 72 Republicans in the US Senate until replacement elections can be held. Even if a few Democrats are named, there will be likely at least 60 votes to vote for cloture and appoint replacements for the slain Supreme Court justices, changing the balance of power on the court.

OK, I'm ignoring Vermont, where the governor is a RINO, IIRC, and sparing Ben Nelson and Zell Miller as well. I'm also assuming that Bobby Jindal wins Saturday.

I'm also assuming that such bloodshed would be a good idea; I don't think it would. Would five extra conservatives on the Supreme Court and a filibuster-free Senate be worth the bloodshed? It is opposing evil, given some of the less-than-biblical decisions that have emanated from the court.

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Jackson Daley Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:34 PM
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2. Actually, I believe Randy Carnahan (the son) was the pilot.
(New here, by the way - Hello!)
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:37 PM
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8. Welcome!
:hi:
Welcome to DU!
:bounce:
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Semi_subversive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:37 PM
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9. Welcome
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:40 PM
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12. Hi Daley!!! Welcome to DU, home of the free!
:hi:
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Jackson Daley Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:45 PM
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17. Thanks - glad to be here. :)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:46 PM
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18. Hi!
I haven't figured out the emoticons and other cute fancies here, but.... ~~friendly wave~~

How's that for a low-tech but sincere greeting? ^_^

Kanary
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:00 PM
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21. Just click the Smilies lookup table link.
It's just above the subject line ;)
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:46 PM
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29. A little more detail
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 06:58 PM by msmcghee
With the typing curser positioned on your text insert page where you want the emoticon - either left (not right, oops) click the symbol (on the left) you want to use - or copy the ASCII characters (on the right) that represent the emoticon and paste them to your page :)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:35 PM
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32. Hi Jackson Daley!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:35 PM
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3. wingnuts can't even enlist and fight in their precious war
:evilgrin:
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:27 PM
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33. hey no fair! Remember, they are CYBER WARRIORRRRRS!
*fade up patriotic fanfare*

Tireless vanguards of all that is mighty and RIGHT! Cyber Warrior Action Figures - from Mattell!

(coffee cup and half eaten donut accessories sold separately)




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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:35 PM
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4. No. They are not.
Because as hateful as they are, Americans don't suicide-bomb other Americans. They prefer to vent the anger on 3rd world countries.

Anti-Choice people, maybe. But not your average Limbaugh-listening conservative.
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childslibrarian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:35 PM
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5. Sure
But...They are also way more capable of arranging accidents.
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Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:37 PM
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6. Well, I suppose Ann Coulter...
...could do a lot of damage if she threw herself out of a speeding vehicle in the direction of a crowd. Imagine human flesh pierced by those bony limbs!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:38 PM
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10. No. Most of them are afraid to go to war.
They might have the fanaticism to kill others but not themselves.
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Demobrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:40 PM
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11. Those chickenshits?
You're kidding, right?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:41 PM
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13. You guys are all underestimating the courage of Freddie FReep.
I happen to know that he has already completed seven suicide missions against Democrats.
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olacan Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:42 PM
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14. The
son was at the controls.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:43 PM
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15. Timothy McVeigh
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:29 PM
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27. Not a suicide bombing...just your standard cowardly terrorist
McVeigh...Bushevik to the core!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:44 PM
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16. Nah
Its easier to just arrange accidents.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:51 PM
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19. I don't know about easier, but definitely a lot less personal.
It was just a thought, and I sure get the drift that most don't think these nuts are THAT far gone.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 05:56 PM
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20. They're probably asking the same questions about us n/t
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FrankBooth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:03 PM
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22. No
Their ideology, more accurately described as bluster, is only about a centimeter deep.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:07 PM
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23. eric rudolph did some damage
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:21 PM
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24. Suicide attacks seem unlikely. But inciting followers to violence
has a long history regardless of ideologies or beliefs. So that is certainly possible. Lowering the level of what is acceptable political discourse is a first step in that direction. Ann Coulter, Usually Not Truthful, specializes in this. Here is an interesting example of a second step recently written by a right winger.

WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary organization calling itself the Christian Liberation Front changed the balance of power in Washington by a pair of brutal attacks this afternoon. A force estimated at about 200 CLF commandos stormed the Supreme Court building, killing 35 people, including five Supreme Court Justices. At the same time, a contingent of 1,000 CLF paramilitaries attacked the Hart Senate Office Building, where a Senate Democratic Caucus meeting was being held. Approximately 50 people were killed in the attack. Once the commandos had seized the building, they systematically killed Democratic senators from states with Republican governors. Here is a list of the 21 senators killed

Daniel Akaka Byron Dorgan Mary Landrieu
John Breaux Bob Graham Blanche Lincoln
Hillary Clinton Ernest Hollings Barbara Mikulski
Kent Conrad Daniel Inouyye David Pryor
Tom Daschle Tim Johnson Harry Reid
Mark Dayton Ted Kennedy Paul Sarbanes
Chris Dodd John Kerry Chuch Schumer

Joe Lieberman was campaigning in South Carolina, and missed the assassins. The attackers turned themselves in to police, and are proudly confessing their crimes, cooperating with authorities.

If the governors appoint Republican replacements, there will be 72 Republicans in the US Senate until replacement elections can be held. Even if a few Democrats are named, there will be likely at least 60 votes to vote for cloture and appoint replacements for the slain Supreme Court justices, changing the balance of power on the court.

* * *

OK, I'm ignoring Vermont, where the governor is a RINO, IIRC, and sparing Ben Nelson and Zell Miller as well. I'm also assuming that Bobby Jindal wins Saturday.

I'm also assuming that such bloodshed would be a good idea; I don't think it would. Would five extra conservatives on the Supreme Court and a filibuster-free Senate be worth the bloodshed? It is opposing evil, given some of the less-than-biblical decisions that have emanated from the court.
http://markbyron.typepad.com/main/2003/11/the_usefulness__1.html

This type of thing can influence mentally unstable people. So I hope no one reads it to Bush.

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MIMStigator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:22 PM
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26. Too cowardly. They'll make their kids do it.
n/t
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:43 PM
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28. I think they would make someone else's kids do it.
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:50 PM
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30. Every abortion doctor who is killed by a wingnut . .
. . is killed by someone who knows they could well get the death penalty if and when they are caught.

Timothy McVeigh knew that as well.

Of course they are capable of that. As the rhetoric rises in this culture war it will happen more often and more brazenly. It's just a matter of time until an actual suicide-winger tries to save the world.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 06:56 PM
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31. Never happen.
I've known few Republicans that didn't put his or her interests first. Their God forbids suicide anyway.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:29 PM
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34. The zealots
do kill abortion doctors. Yes, they are capable of it.
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