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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:04 PM
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Good article on JFK, 9/11 and "conspiracy theories"
Maureen Farrell has tied up the present conjunction of JFK reviews and 9/11 stonewalling... article interesting because it takes a very mainstream liberal approach and arrives exactly where minimal logic should. A bit too fatalist at the end, however... I think the 9/11 story will break.

JFK, 9/11 and Conspiracy Theories
by Maureen Farrell

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/11/far03002.html

"There have been many things swept under the carpet. And I think it's a shame in a government that you trust - I think it's a shame, the things that they chose to tell you and the things they choose not to tell you." -- Sept. 11 widow Julia Sweeney, whose husband Brian worked in the World Trade Center

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Inconsistencies in the official story always take their toll, particularly when there's a whiff of a cover-up. And certainly, news that the White House will edit sensitive documents before handing them over to the independent commission investigating Sept. 11 makes matters murkier. "The White House gets to cherry-pick how much access the nation's commission looking into 9/11 gets to crucial documents. I'm ready to vote for subpoenas right now," former Senator Max Cleland told CNN, evoking Warren Commission suspicion deja vu.

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During a May, 2003 Hardball appearance, for example, political humorist Bill Maher reflected what seems to be prevailing attitude towards JFK and Sept. 11 theories. Uttering a confounded "wow" after Chris Matthews admitted, "I believe in the single bullet theory," Maher nevertheless balked when an audience member suggested that Bush might have purposely dropped the ball on 9/11.

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Interestingly enough, H. R. Haldeman hinted that Nixon had inside information regarding the JFK assassination. 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay of Pigs,' Haldeman quoted Nixon as saying, later adding, "It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination." Others contend that Robert Kennedy didn't want JFK's death to be fully investigated because it might uncover the Kennedy White House's plans to assassinate Castro. Not surprisingly, Moyers revisited "the Secret Government" in 2002, while reporting on how the Bush administration used Sept. 11 and "national security" as a backdrop to effectively repeal access to presidential records -- along with the public's right to know. <<A HREF="http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_secretgov.html">PBS.org</A>> (National security was also evoked following the JFK assassination, prompting Bertrand Russell to ask, "If, as we are told, Oswald was the lone assassin, where is the issue of national security?)

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http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/11/far03002.html

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:13 PM
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1. while we're at it...
HERE'S BERTRAND RUSSELL'S criticism of the Warren Commission from 1964... sounds like some things never change.

<http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/The_critics/Russell/Sixteen_questions_Russell.html>

16 Questions on the Assassination

By Bertrand Russell
The Minority of One, 6 September 1964, pp. 6-8.

The official version of the assassination of President Kennedy has been
so riddled with contradictions that it is been abandoned and rewritten no
less than three times. Blatant fabrications have received very widespread
coverage by the mass media, but denials of these same lies have gone
unpublished. Photographs, evidence and affidavits have been doctored out of
recognition. Some of the most important aspects of the case against Lee
Harvey Oswald have been completely blacked out. Meanwhile, the F.B.I., the
police and the Secret Service have tried to silence key witnesses or
instruct them what evidence to give. Others involved have disappeared or
died in extraordinary circumstances.

...

The Warren Commission has been utterly unrepresentative of the American
people. It consisted of two Democrats, Senator Russell of Georgia and
Congressman Boggs of Louisiana, both of whose racist views have brought
shame on the United States; two Republicans, Senator Cooper of Kentucky and
Congressman Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, the latter of whom is a leader of
his local Goldwater movement and an associate of the F.B.I.; Allen Dulles,
former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, and Mr. McCloy, who has
been referred to as the spokesman for the business community. Leadership of
the filibuster in the Senate against the Civil Rights Bill prevented Senator
Russell from attending hearings during the period. The Chief Justice of the
United States Supreme Court, Earl Warren, who rightly commands respect, was
finally persuaded, much against his will, to preside over the Commission,
and it was his involvement above all else that helped lend the Commission an
aura of legality and authority. Yet many of its members were also members of
those very groups which have done so much to distort and suppress the facts
about the assassination. Because of their connection with the Government,
not one member would have been permitted under U.S. law to serve on a jury
had Oswald faced trial. It is small wonder that the Chief Justice himself
remarked that the release of some of the Commission's information "might not
be in your lifetime" Here, then, is my first question: Why were all the members of the Warren Commission closely connected with the U.S. Government?

If the composition of the Commission was suspect, its conduct confirmed
one's worst fears. No counsel was permitted to act for Oswald, so that
cross-examination was barred. Later, under pressure, the Commission
appointed the President of the American Bar Association, Walter Craig, one
of the supporters of the Goldwater movement in Arizona, to represent Oswald.
To my knowledge, he did not attend hearings, but satisfied himself with
representation by observers.

In the name of national security, the Commission's hearings were held
in secret, thereby continuing the policy which has marked the entire course
of the case. This prompts my second question: If, as we are told, Oswald was the lone assassin, where is the issue of national security? Indeed,
precisely the same question must be put here as was posed in France during
the Dreyfus case: If the Government is so certain of its case, why has it
conducted all its inquiries in the strictest secrecy?
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:18 PM
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6. Good article, Jack..
As I understand it, the Dalles Police Dept. has not yet closed the case on John Kennedy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:24 PM
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2. Here's one for DUers especially to consider...
From Russell (thanks, Jack!):

The methods adopted by the Commission have indeed been deplorable, but it is important to challenge the entire role of the Warren Commission. It stated that it would not conduct its own investigation, but rely instead on the existing governmental agencies—the F.B.I., the Secret Service and the Dallas police. Confidence in the Warren Commission thus presupposes confidence in these three institutions. Why have so many liberals abandoned their own responsibility to a Commission whose circumstances they refuse to examine?

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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:37 PM
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3. There are several theories...
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 08:13 PM by Andromeda
floating around. One theory in particular that really disturbs me, is the one presented on the History Channel this week: The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It started Sunday night and runs through this week---unclear when the last day is.

They start off talking about the CIA's plan to get rid of Castro with a deadly cancer virus. Lee Harvey Oswald was supposedly in on this plot with his lover, Judy Baker. Baker was a cancer researcher and microbiologist who worked with the CIA to develop this virus along with Oswald. They tested the virus on human beings, under protest from Judy Baker, who didn't want any part of it. They told her to keep her mouth shut or she and her family would be killed.

Then there's a big leap.

It goes into quite a bit of detail about the plan, which backfired, and then claims that Lyndon Johnson and his henchman planned to assassinate John F. Kennedy because Johnson was corrupt and afraid that pending investigations by RFK would destroy his political career so he plotted JFK's demise with several high ranking political associates and their henchmen who all hated Kennedy.

We do know that Johnson didn't run a second term and died four years later. I don't have any links yet as I'm still researching and there is so much that contradicts this.

This whole thing puzzles me. I knew that Lyndon Johnson was somewhat corrupt even though he did do some good with the Civil Rights Act and other things.

This series about Kennedy's assassination interviews Judy Baker at length and she sounds very credible. I have my doubts that Oswald really did the shooting of President Kennedy anyway. According to Baker, Oswald was trying to find a way to save the President but he was made the scapegoat and was subsequently shot by Jack Ruby who was also in on the plot. Ruby was arrested and died in prison of a brain cancer, I think. Everybody connected to this conspiracy died under mysterious circumstances.

Tune in to the History Channel, if you have it, and judge for yourselves. I really have my doubts about Johnson's involvement with Kennedy's death because it sounds so convoluted. Maybe it's just shocking to me that a Democrat could be involved in killing one of their own but stranger things have happened.

Johnson supposedly confided in his mistress that the Texas oil industry wanted Kennedy dead. This took place at a party in Dalles where he, Nixon, Hoover and other powerful political figures gathered in a closed meeting a few day before Kennedy was murdered (can't remember her name}. Kennedy wanted to withdraw troops from Vietnam which upset the military complex, a very powerful group dependent on oil and defense contractors.

Just doing this off the top of my head and I don't have any links yet. This is certainly provacative and even though I've heard this theory before I never gave it much credence. Though it might be interesting fodder for discussion.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:17 PM
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5. Ditto me re LBJ
I'd be interested to read Barr McLellan's book on the matter, but I'm highly skeptical about putting too much onto LBJ (although there has been testimony to indicate that he had foreknowledge - I'm thinking Madeline Brown here especially). But then you do have to add into the mix his very close friendship with Hoover (& with that, the allegations that Hoover had a key role in getting him the VP nomination) & his Dallas based connections. Plus there's the oft cited Vietnam theory (he reversed JFK very probably planned withdrawal).

However, he's also on record around the end of his presidency (in a CIA memorandum prepared (I believe) by Tracy Barnes) as saying to a journalist that he believed the CIA were involved in the assassination & he was personally concerned.

As too Judyth Baker, from what I've read of her story, it comes across as pretty flakey in much the same vain as Marita Lorenz's claims of assassination involvement (although Lorenz has a fascinating past).
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 08:33 PM
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7. I think Johnson did have foreknowledge...
of JFK's death but I have doubts that he instigated the assassination. There is a lot of evidence to show CIA involvement and it was common knowledge that Hoover hated the Kennedys, particularly Bobby. RFK was a thorn in Hoover's side.

Listening to Judy Baker, however, convinced me that there is more to this conspiracy than has previously been revealed. She goes into such painstaking detail of her relationship with Oswald at considerable risk to herself, she says, although most of the players are dead now, and the emotion she showed when she talked about Oswald seemed genuine.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 07:40 PM
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4. Thanks Jack, that was great
Edited on Tue Nov-18-03 07:42 PM by Minstrel Boy
Maureen Farrell's usually on the money.

One lesson we've learned in 40 years: if we want the truth, we can't count on having it served up for us by the gatekeepers of the National Security State. We have to dig it up for ourselves. And we should actually find encouragement from the Kennedy case. Despite the best efforts at the highest levels to perpetrate, as Nixon called it, "the greatest hoax," we've learned enough to know with certainty the state lied to us because it killed him.

It's only two years since 9/11, and we've already learned a lot about the events of that day, no thanks to Bush and the institutions of his rule. And everything we've learned indicates foreknowledge, complicty, and cover-up. And if deeper truth is known in 38 more years it will likely be thanks to the plodding diligence and rigour of thousands of independent researchers. Which is what we should all be.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 10:35 PM
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8. deserves a good, swift kick
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