Egads... I think I know what it feels like to be a Green.

[vi5]

Hear me out....first off I am going to support the nominee whoever it is. With 100% of every single fiber (fibre?) of my being. I will plaster my car. I will donate what money I can afford to give to that person's campaign. I will register voters. I will have the signs on my lawn. I will tell everyone I come within earshot of why they should vote for this person (which if you know me says a lot since this is really not my normal style). In short I will devote every ounce of my energy between the time our candidate is announced and election day '04 to get getting Bush out of office and getting the democratic candidate into office. I will also do this for every single one of my Democratic senators and congressman up for election as well.

So where you ask does the Greenness come into play? Well, in my heart of hearts I am a pessimist and I continue to be so. Therefore I am quite confident that the democratic candidate will lose in '04. Not necessarily because of a stolen election or BBV or any other reason than we will lose the electoral map but because of the way this country is moving and turning and headed and what the republicans will throw out us.

So I guess my point is that even though I know that my efforts and perhaps even my vote will be futile, I am still going to do things the way that I want to and put all my efforts into the Dem candidatebecause my conscience tells me that I have to. And I can't speak for any Greens other than the ones I know, but this is more or less the same line of reasoning they gave to me about their Nader votes in '00.

Flame away if you must.

[neuvocat]

1. I think so.

I switched to Green last Earth Day but still support Clark (or Dean if he gets the nod).

[ComerPerro]

2. I sympathize

And know exactly where you are coming from.


I know the media is going to be brutal, I know they will be soft on Bush. And I know the whores will rally for him. Shit, maybe the Dem nominee will even be labled unpatriotic for running against Bush during a "war". And, if Smirk's numbers keep dropping, we may just see another terrorist attack to get them up around 80% (I don't think it will go over as well this time around).

But I am going to do whatever I can to make sure people are registered.

[vi5]

4. But even aside from that....

I'm pessimistic that the Democratic message and platform just does not resonate with enough of a majority of the american public for us to be able to pull it off. I've read "The Emerging Democratic Majority" but still I'm not convinced. I think the country is moving further right and I think the movement within the party is to stay left and it is going to cost us. THis pains me because I myself am left and liberal, even if pragmatically so.

[Cleita]

3. No flame here but I've been thinking. (Watch out!)

I'm a believer that the vote has been tampered with. I think we need to join together to watch the elections in our precincts in the foreseable future until we get to the bottom of what is going on. I don't know how to organize this yet as it is a nacent idea in my mind, but I think we need to be vigilant about this.

[Eric J in MN]

5. Exit polls have great accuracy.

Exit polls have great accuracy, so if you hire a firm to do exit polls at every precinct in your state, then you'll know if there was election fraud.

[Eric J in MN]

6. feel the same way

I'll do my best to support the Democratic nominee, but I predict Bush wil win in 2004.

[GreenArrow]

7. Im a pessimist too

but I see things a bit differently. I see the Dem candidate winning. And I see nothing changing. I see more money shoveled into the Iraq/War on terror rathole. I see more death, more hate, and less respect for our country. I see a draft. I see wars in new lands. I see skyrocketing health and energy costs. I see more for-profit prisons, stuffed to the seams with non-violent offenders. I see more money, time and energy wasted on the "drug war." I see more violations and curtailments of our civil rights. I see an even greater loss of civility, manners, direction, and focus, in realms both public and political. I see our environment sold behind close doors to the highest bidder. The flesh will be stripped from the bones, eaten by carrion, or simply left to rot. I see the rich, ever smaller as a group, ever richer; the poor, ever larger, ever poorer.

The tone might be improved, but nothing is gonna change much.

[Eloriel]

8. Let me help you out a bit here

1. The demographics are on our side: minorities increasing in number, and they still vote for Dems overwhelmingly.

2. Poll after Poll always show that The People support Dem ideas and policies. Ironclad.

3. Bush is extraordinarily weak -- not just right now, but all thru his term. It just has to be pointed out. (And obviously, it takes a non-pink-tutu Dem candidate to do that.) He's also extraordinarily weak on defense and national security. That only has to be pointed out. (It won't work with the purely racist, bloodthirsty among us, but they wouldn't be voting for us anyway, under any circumstances.)

4. The only thing the Repugs have is LIES. That's all. They have to lie (and cheat thru vote fraud and vote suppression, of course). They lie about who they are, what their platform is, what they will do, what they have done, what their proposed bills accomplish (complete with Orwellian titles like CLear Skies), what WE'VE done, etc. That only has to be pointed out (with the same qualifier as #3 above).

5. People all across the political spectrum are waking up, and they are FED UP. You'll find good Republicans and Libertarians and Independents for both Dean and Clark (maybe a few of the others, tho less so). That's trend is not going to stop or go backwards.

6. People seem to forget that EVEN THO Gore was savaged in the popular media, he still won -- he won the popular vote and were it not for vote fraud and vote suppression of every type and variety, he'd have also won FL. In fact, had the votes actually been counted, even WITH the fraud and vote suppression, he won FL too.

Sooooooo, have heart. Let's get the voting machine issue fixed -- that's the big one we have to worry about since with DRE's there's NO WAY to do a valid recount and there's NO WAY to prove (or disprove) vote fraud.

Eloriel