Some pics from across the pond

[CatWoman]

[Robin Hood]

1. I loved this pic

Especially since the flag has been co-opted by America's facists culture.

[veganwitch]

8. and shes hot to boot!!

:loveya:


left gals definately are alot hotter than rightwingers

[Robin Hood]

41. No doubt, Liberal gals are so much hotter than fascist gals.

I Luv liberal Women. :loveya:

[GainesT1958]

12. This one disturbs me...

As they might well be flying a DIFFERENT flag with a Swastika on it had we not come to their aid when they needed us most!:mad:

(Rant OFF)

OK, OK...Just lettin' off some steam! But, seriously, CATWOMAN, thanks a lot for sharing...just shows how much Dub has done for--er, to--our image over there. Was it part of the Neo-Cons' PNAC Blueprint to have people in ALL of our ally nations angry at us? If so, they've done one heckuva great job in THAT department, at least! :eyes:

When I was in England in 1980, they called a general strike against Maggie Thatcher's government. The Socialist Worker paper had a poster that read: "If the Tories get up your nose, PICKET!" I've still got a copy of that one! :D

B-)

[homelandpunk]

23. they were fighting Hitler admirably WITHOUT us!!!

Get your history right.
They were standing up to naziism BEFORE the ever-indispensible USA ... but you wanna denegrate their heroism and courage, go ahead. You listened to one too many neo-con history revisonists. We were not their savior...you have bought in to conservative political correctness.
that woman has every fucking right to wave the new amerikkkan flag.

[WillyBrandt]

24. We were NOT their savior?

Learn your history bub. Quoth Churchill after he found out Pearl Harbor was attacked:

" I slept the sleep of the saved and thankful."

[homelandpunk]

28. We were letting them fight alone pre 12/41...

But because Pearl Harbor happened you call that actively "coming to the rescue"...
The British are not to be denegrated as "surrender cheese monkeys" or whatever the popular pejorative in neo con circles is for non-americans who were giving their blood and sweat for a noble cause LONG before it ever occured to us to "save them".

[WillyBrandt]

30. What are you talking about?

Nobody here has called the British cheese-eating surrender monkeys. No one claimed that the US shouldn't have really confronted Hitler easier and with more force (one reason I like FDR is that he pushed as hard as he could).

Moreover, we were already fighting a (De facto) naval war against the Germans well before Pearl Harbor.

Also, there was a TON of activity in the US to get America actually fighting Hitler full force before Pearl Harbor (Committe To Save America by Aiding the Allies, I think it was called). Pearl Harbor didn't transform isolationists into warriors overnight--the underpinnings were already there. Pearl Harbor struck the match as it were.

Nontheless, the US did save Britain--and itself. There was no way the UK could have held out indefinitely (hence the Churchill quote I offered).

I will grant you your talent for tearing down strawmen. You can really deconstruct arguments that no one here has made.

[dobak]

27. ummm? whatever man

Since when is saying that America pretty much turned the tide in WWII and saved Europe revisionist?

We came over and kicked ass. That is fact.

Britian was doing ok, but would have collapsed soon or later.

Sorry if I sound like a jingoist (which I am not) but facts are facts.

[starroute]

29. No, it isn't fact

Russia probably did far more to bring about the fall of Hitler than the US did. Russia took far, *far* more casualties than the US. By the time US troops got over to Europe in any numbers, Hitler was already breaking his teeth in the east.

The war might have been a lot longer and rougher without US participation, but the US notion that we somehow won it single-handedly is another of those typical self-flattering distortions of history that Americans seem so prone to.

[WillyBrandt]

32. NOT single-handedly

But it absolutely tipped the scales in a big way.

The Russians took a HUGE portion of the casualties, but it's unlikely that they would have won--at best they could have had a sort of stalemate--had the US not intervened. What is overlooked often is the totally vital role us material aid to the USSR played: it wasn't merely the Western Front--it was also the shoes, the socks, the guns, the bullets, the helmets that were all being shipping en masse before Normandy.

[The White Rose]

38. I'm still not over that disgusting travesty of a movie U-571.

We appreciated the assistance and all that, but few Americans realise the consequences if the BRITISH hadn't captured and deciphered the Enigma machine, let alone if British/Norwegian raids hadn't slowed the Nazi nuclear program. Perhaps we wouldn't have been the only country flying a different flag! All this chest-beating about America's military prowess gets on my nerves, frankly.

[WillyBrandt]

39. Headline: Hollywood Film not Historically Accurate

I'm upset as the evil bastardization that Pearl Harbor was.

But little was more ridiculous that this time in Parliament with a bunch of MPs bitching about how the Patriot--that horrible film--made the UK look bad...

There have been a TON of shows on PBS/Discovery Channel/The Learning Channel/elsewhere about breaking the Enigma. Books regarding Enigma have sold well. U-571 has not constructed the American consciousness (such as it is) about code-breaking in WWII.

[The White Rose]

42. Oh, and the average American spends more time reading and

watching PBS/Discovery Channel/The Learning Channel than absorbing Hollywood claptrap do they? I doubt that all the above combined put much of a dent in the American consciousness, certainly when compared to the technicolour "history" lessons put out by noted Anglophobe Mr. Gibson et al. By the way, I don't recall British MPs up in arms about "The Patriot" (which was, indeed, bollocks); perhaps I missed it. I did note that Parliament was pissed about the insulting "U-571", and rightly so. There are still people alive today who are connected with the actual events, and whose contributions are belittled by such misleading tripe.

[WillyBrandt]

40. The Brits have been stingy to their thanks to the Poles

in cracking Enigma and winning the Battle of Britain.

I'm just sayin...

[The White Rose]

43. Nobody's perfect. Despite what some may think.

Indeed, the Poles made superb efforts against the Nazis. I am at a loss as to why you believe that has any bearing on my irritation with America's gung-ho self-image, however.

[homelandpunk]

31. It's revisionist to say the Brits are feeble little pussies who

are eternaly indebted to Big Bad USA...cause we all know they were just cowering helplessly in a corner as fascists fought them for years without Big Bad USA.
I am not talking about the physical steel and iron that we had at our dispoasl to create an instant war juggernaut...you point to that and say "See? without us they were doomed."
They had more balls, and still do, than most americans will ever know about. But the neo-cons have Chamberlain as their whipping boy, so they get to gloat and strut and spit on their honor. Who the fuck cares that we were able to pour steel in record fashion? The Brits had the steel of spirit. And still do.

[WillyBrandt]

33. Um, Chamberlain was turned into a whipping boy by BRITISH historians

[RummyTheDummy]

44. Personally, I really like the pic......

But I don't have a problem with what he said. The Brits did a great job of fighting the Nazis but they would have lost without our help. They were on the ropes (see Dunkirk) but hanging in true British heroic fashion when we got into the war.
On a side note, the fact the German war machine was so powerful,especially early int he war, is what made me laugh when Repugs compared Sadam to Hitler.

But the poster who said they would have lost without our help is correct. And let's not confuse our leadership now with the current leadership. FDR was perhaps this country's greatest president and someone who knew right from wrong, unlike the Chimp. I have zero problem with people being proud of our contribution to defeating the Axis. It was a just cause. Or would you have preferred to watch Hitler wipe out 6 million more Jews?

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

34. I understand your anger, but...

the "America First" movement, led primarily by conservatives in America, did everything they could to prevent America from entering WWII. Some of them were isolationists (see Pat Buchannan and his ilk) and some of them were doing business with the Nazis (Prescott Bush).
Considering what the conservatives in America are doing now, that flag just might as well be apropriate. It makes me shudder, but I see how close we are coming to a facist state, all in the name of "national security".
Germany, circa 1930 had the Communists to scare its citizens.
America, circa 2003, has terrorists.
The similarities are striking.

[mourningdove92]

14. This picture made me cry.

My wonderful America. What this beast has done to her. I realize that the girl is making a powerful and true statement, but it breaks my heart to see our flag depicted in that way. Especially since I know the truth behind it. We cannot let anything stand in our way in 2004. We have got to get that monster and his administration OUT.:cry:

[lostnfound]

22. Hang in there mourningdove.

When truth hurts, love it anyway.
:hug:
Eventually I think it brings you back to a healing place..

Maybe we can see this misery that our country is going through right now as digging the skeletons out of the closet. They've been hiding there in one form or another for a long time; Bush is just adding them so fast the closet isn't big enough anymore and they are busting out all over.

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. How I love the people of Great Britain right about now.

At least their voices can be heard...even if ours are being cut off.

Thanks for sharing,
Laura

[proud patriot]

3. Thanks CatWoman

:D

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Those are great!

Thank You for posting them.

The "Go Home Bush" is great, but I was REALLY hoping they would keep him there. Maybe he could be a real King since he plays one here.

[WillyBrandt]

5. Not a fan of the swastika pic

Bush != Flag, whatever he thinks.

It's perhaps unfair to ask foreigners to keep America separate from that which is done in Her name, but it'd still be appreciated...

[Catt03]

15. Agree

the media and particularly Fox will pick this up and continue with their "fringe" description of the Democratic left.

[homelandpunk]

25. there is a GREAT portion of amerikkka that flag represents accurately

Don't kid yourself. She does not denegrate my flag...she is waving the flag of the new Amerikka. What is wrong with making it clear that it is a real entity? The fact that it exists within our borders may appall you, but don't blame her or call her ant-American for making the point. She, like I, is an anti-amerikkkan. Good on her. I am glad she lives in a democracy.

[WillyBrandt]

26. Amerikkka?

I see someone just got the latest issue of the Maoist International Monthly. Good on you.

Call me a dumb optimist, but I still think the needs and the soul of the nation are far greater than the crooks who run it. The identity does not yet exist.

[homelandpunk]

35. Are you declaring publicly your ignorance of amerikka?

NOT....good on you.
I believe in America....but I see amerikkka. I'm all for belief and faith, but sometimes you have to admit what your eyes are telling you.
Maoist Monthly, huh? Boy. Rush and Hannity would use that. Along with maggot infested....etc. Good company.

[THUNDER HANDS]

6. very cool

:thumbsup:

[funkyflathead]

7. The world's number one terrorist is a socialist worker?

LOL!

I know....I know....

[Pastiche423]

9. Great photos!

I would love to HEAR the crowd!

[Catherine Vincent]

10. Thanks for the pics!

I don't particularly care for the Stop Bush pic but it's free speech.

[celestia671]

11. What I love is..

the age diversity of the crowd. It's young, middle aged, and old together for a common cause. Love it! :yourock:

[brook]

13. Thanks. I needed that!

Especially like the Bush Go Home formed by their bods.

I find it encouraging to see such diversity in the protestors and to be reminded that what we feel is echoed around the world. Every ray of hope helps.

[Terwilliger]

16. first in a series of pictures that will emanate from Britain

what's the deal with the top picture? Kind of a strange sun thing happening.

[CatWoman]

17. those are people forming the words

cool, isn't it?

[Dr Fate]

18. They hate our freedom.

.

[CatWoman]

19. LOL, Dr. F.

:hi:

good to see the skull back :D

[Catshrink]

20. Don't forget this one:

[E_Zapata]

21. Wow, the last one hit me REAL hard......a swastika on the Am flag.....

God........I would have never dreamed that I would EVER see anything like that - even with our historical misdeeds throughout history.

But it's true.......the American flag today is not complete without the swastika. If the shoe fits.......

Now it really *is* time to just cry and mourn for my country!

[markses]

37. The Second Picture has a Swastika in the Stars as well

If you look closely. I expect it's becoming a theme, since the woman in the last picture and the man in the second don't look like they are from the same coven, yah?

[xxqqqzme]

36. just look what that little

prick inspired - amazing...all those people directing all that anger @ squatter. I am in awe.

[CatWoman]

45. kick

:kick:

[bpilgrim]

46. don't forget to add them to the GFP Gallery ;-)

http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/coppermine

create an account via 'members' then click on 'images' to go to the gallery to upload.

the gallery has many cool features to make it easy to browse, search, mail to friends and many others.

thanks :toast:

peace