Are most Christians like George W Bush ?

[kentuck]

If so, I'm not sure I want to go to heaven. Of course, that is pre-supposing that they themselves will go to heaven. But the way they speak of Dubya, they must have a lot in common?

Are they all as "fake" as Gee Dubya? Do they lie and blame others for that which they are responsible for? Do they pretend to be something they really are not, the way Dubya pretends to be a macho cowboy from Texas when, in actuality, he was a cheerleader from Yale. He was born in Connecticut.

Do they all have an affinity for violence like Dubya? Did they blow up little frogs with firecrackers when they were young? Do they sit back and cheerlead when our superior bombs go off in Iraq? Do they ever think of the suffering of the Iraqi families that lose their mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters?

Do they honestly believe that Dubya brought "honor and integrity" to the White House? Do they see honor in sending other young men and women to fight for his war in Iraq , but when he had the opportunity to fight for his country in Viet Nam, he declined? Do they see integrity in his keeping all the secrets of 911 from the 911 commission and from the families that lost loved ones on that day?

Do they laugh and joke at the expense of others? Did they agree with him when he laughed about the fate of Karla Faye Tucker, just before she was executed? Just what good Christian characteristics do they admire in this man?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

1. Are most Jews like Lieberman?

I don't think so.

[xJlM]

2. Are most muslims like Osama bin Laden?

Not the ones I've met. Religious whackos are not limited to one specific faith.

[WindRavenX]

3. No

People like George W. Bush are a poison to Christianity.
It's a shame that religions are often defined by the moronic leaders of a given faith.

[TennesseeWalker]

4. NO.

I've seen quite a few that claim to be Christians act like him, but the majority of what I call true Christians tend to be gentle, loving, give you the shirt off their back and a jar of apple butter to go with it. They're always a tad judgemental, but basically sweet, kind people with little universes. Not that there aren't some with big ideas, but they tend to be minimalist in practice and scope.

I think those kind of Christians are closer to the right track than Shrub.

[G_j]

5. most Christians don't live in the United States

so...no

[wuushew]

6. Everyone who speakith the following...

Thank God George Bush is President.


Morans(thousands and thousands of morans)

[alcuno]

7. These people are the reason I will not call myself a Christian.

I am a Catholic. When someone asks if you are a "Christian" what they are really asking is if you have been "born again." They seek to divide people and preach a moral superiority that is totally repugnant. In their eyes, anyone who does not think like them is damned forever and beneath their contempt. They are ruled by their arrogance.

I believe that God will have a very special place for those who abused others and used His name to do so.

[hunter]

30. So, don't be divided, say yes!

Yes, you are Catholic. It's the old, established, Ford Motor Company of Christianity.

Heh, you'll completely freak out the Bible Thumpers when you turn it into a car analogy. All those guys cut their teeth arguing Ford vs. Chevy, and it throws them for a loop when you make them think about religion that way.

Oh yeah, God gave you a sense of humor. Use it.

[hlthe2b]

8. Oh, please... He's an "XIAN" not a Christian...........

please folks, don't aid and abett the RW in appropriating (bastardizing) Christianity..............

[youngred]

9. No, They Aren't

can't judge all members of a group (partcularly one as large and varied as Christians) by the actions of one member

[jarab]

10. Those who pretend to be Christians

must out of their biblical constitutions defend Israel and its existence..
The brown people are the "enemy" of Israel; We must "protect" Israel from the brown people.
If *any* president takes the side of Israel - which is a transparent political necessity - Christians will support that president. Period.
You can then delve into biblically-based moral issues which generally will drive the "Christians" further into the Repug camp - or less often and occasionally closer to our camp.
Once you get past the Israeli defense and moral issues (especially with those denoms we might call "fundamental" in the latter case), Christians might resemble and be Democrats as likely as they would resemble *. They might kill frogs, too.
* is a fraud, and his Christian espousals must be "judged" on that simple premise. He is an insult and a disgrace to whatever faith he claims as his own - and he and his fake "Christian" disciples are a millstone around the neck of those few who actually try to live a Christian life.
Most (with few exceptions) so-called Christians I know are as fake as * is - in answer to your query. They'll cuckle you in a heartbeat.... and do all those other despicable things you mentioned. So, birds of a feather ....
mho
...O...

[Lisa]

11. No. (and thank God ...)

There's a woman on my street who is an evangelical Christian -- and a transplanted American at that. When I went to her house for a Neighbourhood Watch meeting, it was full of framed Bible quotes and big pictures of Jesus. I assumed that she would be behind Bush, but in the days leading up to the Iraq invasion she appeared at our door -- after lying awake in agony for days, she had decided to come out against the war. She was collecting donations to send medical supplies to Iraqi families. I know that she contributed several hundred dollars of her own money (and the family isn't well off so this was a major thing for them). She suffers from crippling arthritis, and here she was, hobbling around the neighbourhood doing this -- red-eyed from crying about those Iraqi kids, and her nephew who's in the US Army and is probably over there now (or will be deployed soon).

If I ever were offered the chance to speak to Bush, I would send this woman in my place -- he would consider me a liberal secular humanist troublemaker, but "Carol" might shame him, if he has any conscience left.

Also -- Bush claims to be a Methodist -- the Methodists in the US have come out against the death penalty and the war. Bush, for all his talk of being devout, hasn't even spoken with the church leaders. And in Canada, the Methodists are highly involved in the peace movement -- they've been hosting anti-war vigils.

[jpgray]

12. If they are, they shouldn't be called Christian

"If Jesus came to preach like he did in Galilee,
they would lay Jesus Christ in his grave"

--Woody Guthrie

Starting wars, having disgusting amounts of wealth and power--all the things that are "fashionable" in this society violate basic tenants of Christianity. We're not a Christian society, nor have we ever been. Christianity is a good tool for consolidating power and wealth, so it's still around.

[dae]

13. There is not a single Christian like Bush.

There are many like Bush who call themselves Christian; but, they could not recognize Christ standing before them.

[Aldous]

14. Yes

Something has happened to Christianity over the years. You'll recall from history class that the Romans thought the Christians were bad subjects because they were pacifists and wouldn't fight in the army (among other reasons; they also wouldn't worship Caesar). By the time the dark ages arrived things had apparently changed. These days you'll be hard pressed to find a Christian pacifist, especially in the evangelical Christian ranks.

In the lead up to the war, I stood with the protesters on street corners and the loudest, angriest hecklers were those with R**ma Bible Church and V**tory Christian bumper stickers. These folks are gung-ho when it comes to killing for country.

I'm agnostic myself but can't help but think that if ol' Jesus is up there he must be shouting, "I said turn the other cheek, dumb asses!"

[youngred]

20. um Hi!

Christian pacifist here, The Pope and every single denomination (except the southern Baptists) opposed the war. I'd say there are a lot of Christian Pacifists out there, but I'd urge you not to listen to the vocal Xians who are no more christ-like than the pharasies.

Don't paint with such a broad brush please, you do more to aid the Christian right with that kind of stereotyping than you do to help the majority of christians who would prefer to keep their faith to themselves and follow the true and liberal teachings of Jesus

[newyawker99]

23. Hi Aldous!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bobbieinok]

32. You're in Tulsa, right?

..

[karlschneider]

15. I am an atheist who believes the teachings of Jesus. Strange?...maybe,

but if fundies can pick and choose from the Bible, I figure I can do the same. Here's one I like:

Mt 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

And the Sermon on the Mount is worthy of consideration as well. But it doesn't sit very well with today's neocons, as it fails to support their agenda to screw the poor, wage war, ignore the victims and ...well, here's a paste from it:


The Gospel According to Matthew

Chapter 5

1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was
set, his disciples came unto him:

2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for
theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


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Sometimes I wonder if the wingnuts have actually read the words of their claimed icon of faith.
:eyes:

[Liberator_Rev]

28. There are MANY Atheists who know Jesus better than do these Xians!

They even have a web site. There's nothing strange, karlschneider, about appreciating what "Conservative Christians" claim to follow but don't even know as well as you about Jesus of Nazareth.

Check them out at http://www.Atheists-for-Jesus.com . We recommend them all the time, and they recommend US, at http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org .

[Swede]

16. Are most Americans like GWB?

Of course not. There is no monolithic group.

[Pastiche423]

17. A little off topic question

Let me preface this by acknowledging that I lived my teen years in a Presbyterian orphanage, all the while being agnostic.

When the "rapture" comes, do the people that go up, die? If that is the case, then what is the difference in dying in the rapture and dying the old fashion way?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

24. off topic answer

most who believe in a physical rapture of the church believe that they will be swept up in corporeal form and not die. The belief seems to be that those alive and 'in Christ' at the time of the rapture will never have to taste death.

TheProdigal

[Tinoire]

18. No!

I am a mainstream Christian- Catholic (which basically means Anglican, Episcopalian. Lutheran) where we actually study the Bible from A-Z while putting it in historical perspective and strive for theological consistency) and you know what? We hate Bush! There's NOTHING Christian about that a**hole.

We hate Dubya even more than secular people do.

Peace

[DemoTex]

19. Kentuck, most that flaunt it and work it into politics are like GWB.

They are the religiously insane. Check out Bob Jones University, Greenville, SC, as a case in point.

[kentuck]

21. I posted this primarily for the "fake" Christians and the Repug lurkers...

hoping to give a little food for thought. I know that all Christians are not like GWB. But the ones that do hold him in such high esteem do need to reflect on their religion, in my opinion. I hope I have not offended the good Christians.

[HoosierClarkie]

31. Not at all

I am a sunday school teacher and I realize that God knows you should never force religion on people. We should lead by example. GW uses the Lords name in Vain! :grouphug:

[DieboldMustDie]

22. "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,'

shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt. 7:21)

Bush and his cronies are disciples of Supply Side Jesus.

[Zynx]

25. I'm not, but a lot are.

One thing people have to realize is that there has always been a large split in Christianity between those who actually practice and those who go to church every Sunday, recite Biblical verses, and act like a bunch of barbaric scum. Its always been there and always will be there.

[Walt Starr]

26. My experiences in this country say "YES!!!"

Not all Christians in the United States are like Bush, but in my experience most are.

Flame away of you like, those Christians in the United States who exemplify the compassion and love of Jesus as depicted in the New Testament are very much in the minority in this country.

[Skittles]

27. most of the ones I know

would prefer to "maintain America's lifestyle" than actually give a shit about the rest of the world.

[DinahMoeHum]

29. ". . .by their fruits ye shall know them. . ."

Georgie-boy be one stinking Pharisee.

:evilgrin:

[Blue_Chill]

33. Are most Atheists like Stalin?

No.

kthx