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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:50 PM
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Ten Years of NAFTA: Tell Us What it's Done for You.
"For a decade, we have been subjected to a grand experiment called NAFTA. When that agreement was signed in 1993, it was enthusiastically supported by big business, Republicans, and all too many Democrats -- including then-Governor Howard Dean, who even attended a NAFTA signing ceremony. Now it is clear that this experiment has failed. We've lost close to 3 million manufacturing jobs since July 2000. Over one half a million of these are directly attributable to NAFTA. Our trade deficit grew to $418 billion last year and continues to climb. And, because of the WTO, corporations have been granted unprecedented powers to sue the government in closed trade courts anytime laws designed to protect workers or the environment are deemed to infringe on corporate 'rights.'

"The legislative founding father of the WTO in the House of Representatives was Richard Gephardt. The bill bears his name, and he led the effort to achieve its passage. This surprises many people, since Mr. Gephardt is thought to be a strong supporter of the very workers' rights which the WTO does not permit recognition of.... The Bush administration wants to extend NAFTA throughout the Western Hemisphere through the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas (FTAA). This proposal is being pushed by the administration and its Republican allies in Congress and the corporate world. Opposed by genuine progressive leaders throughout Latin America, including Brazilian president Lula DaSilva, the FTAA ministerial will bring thousands of dedicated activists onto the streets of Miami this month to protest....The only way to undo the damage these trade deals have caused is to end them. The NAFTA and WTO treaties include legal clauses permitting the signatory countries to withdraw from them at any time, following a routine notification period. As president, I will invoke these withdrawal clauses and once and for all take America out of an unfair system of corporate trade. We will return to bilateral trade conditioned on workers' rights, human rights, and environmental quality principles. This will provide security for American workers and for workers worldwide." Says Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich.

link: http://www.kucinich.us/nafta/
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:54 PM
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1. Net Job Losses: 900,000
www.aflcio.org
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:56 PM
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2. It's not just NAFTA
It's all the "free trade agreements", GATT, CAFTA, FTAA, and the abusive visa programs like H1-B and L-1. Corporations are put in charge of immigration policies, so they temporarily import indentured servants and deport them when they are done. This doesn't build America's economy, it just drives our wages down. Low taxes and tariffs are great, but when GE can shut down factories and lay off Americans just to get cheaper wages in another country where they don't have to worry about labor rights is another.

If Gore hadn't pimped himself out for NAFTA, no one would have given a damn about the Green party and Bush's selection would have looked more illegitimate than it already does.

If you want to know why I'm skeptical of Dean, Clinton, Gore, and Kerry, this is it. We've been given so much lip service from Democrats about future protections it should be classified as a mouth job.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:59 PM
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4. don't forget to be skeptical of gov. bill richardson (d) nm, as well..n/t
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:35 AM
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14. Well then just eliminate them all
and let the very unpopular USA try to beat what it has without any protection at all.

NAFTA is not about any single group in the US, it is about all of us.

The USA is not competitive due to its own actions. We will continue to have ever larger deficits as long as American workers continue to demand very high pay for the production of shoddy products. American cars suck. They may be better than in the 70's but the suck. The Japanese simply do it better. There is no excuse for the crap put out in this country other than an American culture of self absorption, entitlement and blame. NAFTA did not create that. We did. And consistent with our culture: we BLAME NAFTA. Blame GATT or Clinton or Mickey Mouse...do what you must.

Americans are seen as lazy, TV addicted, overweight, uncultured and provincial by the people of our trading partner nations. We did not help ourselves by putting an icon of those sorry traits in the White House and we are paying for that as well. Folks, the world does not like us much. They are telling us to fuck off in Iraq, as they should, and to fuck off on trade. Can you blame them? I cannot.

Drop NAFTA if you like but you cannot hide from the fact that we had trade deficits prior to it. We pay some hung-over slob $22 bucks an hour to assemble shitty cars or blenders and bitch when the slob’s wife opts for a Toyota or a Bosch. They are cheaper and of higher quality. That is not the fault of Trade Agreements. That is the fault of American popular culture. In the end NAFTA will stay, Kucinich will go and Americans will continue to look for a better buy. Unfortunately of late, it does not often have "made in the USA" on it.

PS: Before the pro-Kucinich flame starts let me say that I know Kucinich is a good man. But I think his supporters better consider what he is up against. No Democrat is going to run against Bush in 2004, nor did one run against him in 2000. They ran against the media. If a Democrat is going to win in 2004 it will be one that can slap down the joke the press will try to make out of 2004. The ‘clowning’ as Bob Somerby calls it has already started. Bush will get a pass and the Democrat will be raked over the coals by the Liberal Media. Kucinich’s performance against Tweety was as bad as I have ever seen. He let Matthews walk all over him with errors and he did absolutely nothing to slap him down. I think Kucinich will be slaughtered by the media as he has not a clue how to fight back. I am certain Dean, Kerry or Clark will be the nominee and frankly the rest are just bogging the entire thing down. Sharpton has no fucking chance . NONE. As is true for Lieberman and Gephardt. Edwards is not likely either. We have a year to get in the ring and we haven’t even picked the color of our shorts yet. It sucks.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:57 AM
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16. "culture of self absorption, entitlement and blame"
Does that represent the average American worker? It sounds to me more like the average American CEO.

"We pay some hung-over slob $22 bucks an hour to assemble shitty cars or blenders and bitch when the slob’s wife opts for a Toyota or a Bosch."

Your anti-American views are clear, and it's clear which side you're on too. I assume what the American worker needs is some labor discipline and to learn to live with less? Why is it that Americans work longer hours than anyone else anyway?

"Folks, the world does not like us much. They are telling us to fuck off in Iraq, as they should, and to fuck off on trade. Can you blame them? I cannot."

You are just naive. Most people in the world don't have the luxury of your pampered, priviledged attitude.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:25 AM
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30. Utter nonsense
Implicit in your argument is the belief that the ONLY way you can reduce costs is on the workers' backs.

Do you really think CEO's need to be paid hundreds of times what the workers earn?

Do you hopelessly give up ever changing that?

Why do we line up to be sheared by these people, and attack our fellow workers when they say 'NO MORE'?!
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:50 PM
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42. Have you even done any research on what you think?
Or do you just open your mouth and insert your foot reflexively?

You seem to forget that the US is the number consumer nation in the world. With clout like that to use, we could advocate for higher wages for workers worldwide, rather than forcing US workers to take a pay cut(without the commiserate lowering of the prices of goods and services). Or have you overlooked the power of the tariff?

You also seem to forget that NAFTA is devistating other countries besides ours. Like Mexico, whose traditional agrarian culture has been undercut by the US agrarian behemoth. Thus there is a huge rural unemployment problem down there, with millions of rural folk coming into urban areas that aren't ready or suitable for such a large influx of people. The infrastructure is breaking down, and people are living in squalor and disease. Oh, and that is also a big reason why we are having such a large influx of illegal aliens, because this scene I describe in Mexico is being repeated throughout Central and South America.

Do you also realize that NAFTA negates American sovereignty? Go check out Chapter 11 of the NAFTA, I think you will be in for a big suprise what we're really going to be paying for.

I'm sure you also don't realize what damage that NAFTA does to the enviroment. Well, if you're ever down south along the Tex-Mex border, you can see for your own eyes. If not, well, go read Mother Jones' article on how NAFTA has destroyed the border enviroment(among others). The article came out just a few months ago, so you should still be able to find it.

And I find it offensive that you think that certain candidates are bogging the process down. You know what bub, if we had used you logic back in '91, Clinton would and should have dropped out early. Look, these candidates are adding to the discussion, pressing home key points, and you never know, a dark horse could emerge. I think that it is very undemocratic of you to be wishing for certain candidates to be dropping out of the race before the primaries have even begun.

So why don't you go do some research before you open your mouth again. Those size tens must be a killer getting constantly crammed into your piehole.

Another thing you don't seem to realize is that the Toyota that the "hung over slob"(nice characterization of the working man there, Woody Guthrie you're not) is made in the US. In fact, given the way that all automobile companies have gone multinational, it is probably more in line with "Buy USA Made" spirit to purchase a Toyota than of Ford these days. But a guess little details like that don't mean a damn to you now, do they?



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:56 PM
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43. Thanks for the tip on the Mother Jones article...
I'll have to look for that.

And kudos for mentioning Woody. :)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-18-03 11:57 PM
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3. Agreements on labor and environment are already in place
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:06 AM
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7. "NAFTA side agreements"
I remember how adamant they were to make sure NO obligations to workers or protecting people from pollution were put into NAFTA - it was strictly about the rights of investors. The "side agreements" remain a thin cover.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:10 AM
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10. in place for who? who benefits?
corporations, not people...

maple, you have consistantly supported nafta and other trade agreements. your tenacity is admirable, however your ideals lack the sustainable improvement of life to all creatures great and small on this planet. when a trade agreement fulfills all needs of all living creatures, not a half-hearted attempt that fills the pockets of corporations with cash and leaves the world in despair will i then back a trade agreement. the rest can go bye-bye and get there grubby hands off our future.





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wheresthemind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:00 AM
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5. GO GO DENNIS!
I think its ridiculous that Dennis has the BEST labor record of ANY of the candidates, and yet they're all GA GA for Dead and Gephart.

You don't compromise the primaries!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:08 AM
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8. Dont forget about his vision for labor
Thats a strong one too. Personally have Dean or Gephardt even talked about the Taft-Hartley Act, I know a little about it and its an insult to organized labor, Kucinich has brought this up a number of times and how he feels we gotta repeal it.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:08 AM
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9. Dont forget about his vision for labor
Thats a strong one too. Personally have Dean or Gephardt even talked about the Taft-Hartley Act, I know a little about it and its an insult to organized labor, Kucinich has brought this up a number of times and how he feels we gotta repeal it.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:05 AM
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6. it's probably been good for most consumers in america
I don't have a manufactering job or any family or friends who are so I might hate it alot more if I did, but knowing what I've learned in college it's not in US public interest to be a protectionist nation, even if trade needs to becom fairer
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:16 AM
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12. how can you consume without any $ to consume with?
labor wages decrease lower the cost of an item to make... the cost of that item increases for the consumer (or stays the same)( i can not recall any corporation lowering it's price because an item is being made by some sub-standard wage in a foriegn country) and then the quarterly profit index goes up, a ceo gets a bonus and another round of layoffs begin in the u.s.a. to boost the next quarter...

pretty simple trickle up economics... like carpet baggers of the old west.

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:19 AM
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13. thanks for that post
"I don't have a manufactering job or any family or friends who are so I might hate it alot more if I did"

Yes, probably. Since it didn't hurt you or your family or friends directly, I can see how you wouldn't be that upset. Don't worry, you'll have a chance to be affected soon.

"I've learned in college it's not in US public interest to be a protectionist nation, even if trade needs to becom fairer"

Fascinating. What else did they teach you in college? Can you tell me the difference between "free trade" and "fair trade", help me out, I think I was out that day?
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:51 AM
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15. Free Trade and Fair Trade...
Well I can tell you what fair trade is not: It is not about making crap and expecting your country to shield you from others that do your job better than you.

You want real Free Trade? I se only 2 ways. Make the US worker work like his competitors at his competitors wage ( aint going to happen ) or bring the wages of the Chinese, Taiwanese, Koreans, Indians and Indonesians up to that of the US worker so we can all compete with similar overhead. Of course that pair of Reeboks is going to cost $125 and a KIA will be right up there with a Cadillac.

Then you as an America can see what its like to make 16 dollars a day as your $22 an hour will have about the same purchasing power in the USA as that 16 bucks has in Pakistan.

Blame the world America!!! It feels good. Go watch some TV. Eat some high calorie cholesterol laden crap and shun knowledge of anything that Oprah does not cover. Get a dose of 'reality TV' and forget reality. Bitch about the unfairness of having to compete with Mexican produce farmers then go pay 2 bucks a gallon for gas when your country occupies the nation with the second largest petroleum reserves in the world. Bitch!!!. It will make you feel good. Jose is out tonight in his fields and his wife is with him. They think that is fair.

Have a nice day!
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:04 AM
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17. hmmmmmmmmm!
you seem to be a bit pissed off at how "shoddy american" goods are.....but that is not the point....you make it seem like what you are saying is relevant but it is not...because americans eat shitty and watch TV does not really address the issue's of NAFTA etc.No one here is saying we Americans are Princes and Princess's. A car sold in Canada costs up to 40% less than in The USA for the same car and Canadian wages are higher......

YOU seem angry but your anger doesn't really seem to be about NAFTA or The WTO....it seems you are upset about your culture and you are clouding the issue. Nafta and the WTO hurts not just Americans but other countries and actually the other countries are hurt much more than we are.....

I think you have it all screwed up.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:38 AM
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19. We don't have to be protectionist
We just have to make it more expensive for corporations to have plants abroad and ship back here. That's why I propose an added 10% surcharge on Multinationals in the corporate tax brackets. To bring jobs back home.

Repealing the Taft-Hartley Act needed to be done a long time ago. Clinton tried and failed to get it repealed no thanks in part to congressional Democrats.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:13 AM
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11. California is getting sued for not buying MTB to put in our gas
:grr:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:25 AM
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24. Yes, that is the perfect example of why Free Trade, as currently...
negotiated, stinks! A Canadian company is sueing because California wants to protect it's citizens.

I have to say, I believe in Fair Trade, with appropriate protections in place for every country.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:13 AM
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26. This is a nice bonus called Chapter 11
Chapter 11 of NAFTA states that any company who is prevented from doing business for ANY reason can sue whatever government (yes, they're suing the GOVERNMENT -- our TAXES are paying for PURE profits!

EVEN, as in the case of MTB, to protect the health of the citizens!

Why people aren't outraged is a direct result of how tragically and embarassingly ignorant most Americans are about the affects of all these 'free trade' bills.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 03:47 AM
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18. how about 7 years of unprecident prosperity
NAFTA has many flaws. The main one is that it doesn;t go far enough to protect the workers. Eliminating it is as bad as keeping it without amending it.
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jhfenton Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:58 AM
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21. I agree with you.
NAFTA isn't perfect, but it is a step in the right direction to eliminating trade barriers and promoting competition. NAFTA created far more jobs and economic prosperity than were lost because of it. Counting only the displaced jobs doesn't even tell half the picture.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:23 AM
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29. Do you think Kucinich is lying...
when he states that you CANNOT, under the terms dictated by the WTO, tweak NAFTA to improve it?

He says this again and again, and yet we consistently see other saying we should improve it?

Does anyone know for sure?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:25 AM
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31. No
But I also know that the President can't walk into tomorrow and pull us out of NAFTA either. Which is what he says he will do.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:32 AM
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33. But you're wrong.
Under the terms of NAFTA and the WTO, any party can withdraw after giving notice. That's all that's required.

Someone here has the language from the bill... I've seen it on this board more than a couple of times.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:35 AM
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34. The president independtly?
It is true in most treaties that one party can withdraw. But can the President do this without the consent of the Senate?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:57 AM
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38. Remember the treaties Bush pulled out of?
Kucinich filed a lawsuit to try to stop him, citing the reasoning you use above.

The courts said Bush was within the law... so Kucinich now knows he can do the same with these harmful agreements.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 09:49 AM
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20. Shipped my job off to Canada after I trained the people who now are
working in my old position. The company shut down 3 facilities in the US and built two in Canada putting about 600 Americans out of work. The worst part of it for me is that this is not saving any consumer anywhere so much as a plug nickel; it's call center biz and consumers call a toll free number, so the only folks in the US benefitting financially are the head honchos (who are certainly not moving THEIR positions out of the country!) and the shareholders.
Company owned by the Deutsche Bank, which I think is one of those massive conglomerate things...
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:03 AM
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22. My last tv cost $270
DVD players are under $100.00
Cars are cheaper.
Computers are cheaper.
Clothes are cheaper.

Cheap consumer goods are the benefit of Free Trade.

To see the results of potectionism, look at what happened with the steel tariffs. The cost of steel went up, which raised the prices of American cars, which cost the jobs of American auto workers.

Repealing free trade acts would be a disaster at this point. What needs to be done is to amend them to ensure that the partners are adhering to comparable labor and environmental standards.
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AntiLempa Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:20 AM
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23. Cheap stuff is great
Have you tried to find a good paying job lately? Have you done any research on the way corporate Free Trade has effected Mexico?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 10:50 AM
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25. Just answering the question
And I have a good paying job, thanks.

I understand all the bad aspects of NAFTA. And I think I began to address them. But the question was how has free trade policies benefitted me. The answer is I have an apartment filled with cheap, foreign-made "luxury" items.

And, yes, this probably makes me a bad person.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:15 AM
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27. Pretty flippant
If your desire for cheap goods, in your opinion, is worth forcing workers worldwide to accept wages which barely provide enough to live on and working conditions which would make us howl in outrage, then you have no reason to feel like you're a 'bad person' (again, in your opinion, of course).

In MY opinion, it makes you a selfish person.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:18 AM
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28. Look at the question at the top of the thread
I answered it.

And I mentioned the problems with NAFTA and free trade in general.

But from my standpoint - upper middle class, educated, white-collar - NAFTA has been, on average, a good thing.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:31 AM
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32. Yes, I noticed you did.
However, your statement about how your views 'probably make you a bad person' seemed to me to be a bit of ... what? What exactly did you mean by that?

You say that 'from your standpoint', it has been a good thing, and that's a fair statement.

Yet in your response you seem to acknowledge that you know that you're not benefitting from this situation in a vacuum, that you are aware that others are actually doing worse off so that you can get these 'cheap goods'.

:shrug:

IMO this is the whole problem with our society. As long is one is not PERSONALLY negatively impacted, mostly they don't care. Let the others suffer -- I've got mine.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:36 AM
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35. I'm a smartass
That's pretty much the reason I said it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:58 AM
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39. :-)
Better a smartass than a dumbass, right?
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Frederic Bastiat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:37 AM
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36. I recently bought a TV for CDN $299
Not bad for a SONY flat screen 27 inch. I was amazed by the drop in prices of consumer electronics especially home theater systems and digital cameras. Can this be attributed solely to free trade? Partly yes, but I wouldn't discount increased competition and acess to newer cheaper labor.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:59 AM
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40. IMO this is similar to the tax cuts
You give some people a benefit, so they are less likely to worry about the downside.

Akin to the divide and conquer strategy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:55 AM
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37. Since there is a lack of awareness of these trade agreements...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 11:55 AM by redqueen
I thought I'd provide some links for those who wish to find out more than what the media sells them:

http://www.citizen.org/documents/FTAA%20Factsheet%20Jan.%2003.pdf

Unveiling “NAFTA for the Americas” NAFTA + WTO = FTAA

What is “FTAA” or “NAFTA for the Americas”?

The Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) is the formal name given to an expansion of NAFTA (the North American Free Trade Agreement) that would include all of the countries in the western hemisphere. This massive NAFTA expansion is currently being negotiated in secret by trade ministers from 34 nations in North, Central and South America and the Caribbean. The goal of the FTAA is to impose the failed NAFTA model of increased privatization and deregulation hemisphere-wide. Imposition of these rules would empower corporations to constrain governments from setting standards for public health and safety, to safeguard their workers and to ensure that corporations do not pollute the communities in which they operate. Effectively, these rules would handcuff governments’ public interest policymaking and enhance corporate control at the expense of citizens throughout the Americas.

What can we learn about FTAA from NAFTA?

FTAA would deepen the negative effects of NAFTA we’ve seen in Canada, Mexico and the U.S. over the past eight years and expand NAFTA’s damage to the other 31 countries involved. The FTAA would intensify NAFTA’s “race to the bottom”: under the FTAA exploited workers in Mexico could be leveraged against even more desperate workers in Haiti, Guatemala or Brazil by multinational corporations. A quick look at NAFTA’s legacy reveals disastrous consequences:

· It’s estimated that over a million U.S. manufacturing jobs have been lost since NAFTA as companies relocated to Mexico to take advantage of $5 per day wages for Mexican workers. Without enforceable labor rights, Mexican workers cannot organize to increase their wages. The laid-off U.S. workers usually find jobs with less security and wages that are about 77% of what they originally had.

· The trade surplus the U.S. enjoyed with Mexico before NAFTA has become an $24.2 billion per year deficit as of 2000.



http://stopcafta.org/

About CAFTA

CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreements, is a proposed commercial pact between the United States and five countries in Central America: El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, and Costa Rica.

CAFTA is modeled after the now-infamous North American Free Trade Agreement. The same negative effects caused by NAFTA--such as the devastating impact on working people in the United States, Canada, and Mexico--are expected to occur to many people living in countries participating in CAFTA if a CAFTA agreement is reached.

Civil society groups in Central America and the United States oppose the CAFTA in its current form and call for trade that respects democracy, food security, and public services.

From October 20th to October 24th, trade delegates will be meeting in Houston to continue negotiating their CAFTA agenda in secret without any form of public consultation.


http://www.cwa-union.org/international/ftaa/FTAAUPDATEVol.3No.15.asp

US Trade Deficit – Still Rising
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The US Trade Deficit was $40.3 billion in the MONTH OF FEBRUARY . That is the combination of surplus in exports of services of $3.9 billion less the $44.2 billion in imports of goods . This excess of exports is very important given the weak outlook of the global economy.

In the NAFTA areas – the FEBRUARY Trade Deficit with Canada was $4.3 Billion; the Trade Deficit with Mexico was $3 Billion in FEBRUARY.

You can see the up to the minute deficit, with an explanation of all of the problems caused in our economy by this imbalance. Click here:

http://www.tradealert.org/ticker_home.asp


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Report on Globalization, Trade and Workers Rights
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This week saw publication of a good, short report explaining the ties between Workers Rights, Trade and Globalization . The Economic Policy Institute issued the report “Rights Make Might” report in conjunction with the World Bank and International Monetary Fund annual spring meetings in Washington DC.

At 7 pages (and that is one page of footnotes), it concisely explains what many already knew: Workers rights encourage growth, help distribute the benefits of that growth more equally, and promote stability. The pdf of the report is available at:

http://www.epinet.org/Issuebriefs/ib192/ib192.pdf


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Materials to Order
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Trade Secrets: The Hidden Costs of the FTAA
"Trade Secrets: The Hidden Costs of the FTAA" is a new 16 minute video tape from the perspective of labor on the FTAA. Narrated by Mike Farrell, it covers the NAFTA Chapter 11 cases on UPS, and Methanex' attack on California's environmental laws banning MTBE from gasoline, and how the FTAA will affect us. There is also a set of fact sheets and great interactive role play on the impacts on the public and private sectors of the FTAA.

The materials come from the UC Berkeley Center for Labor Research and Education. You can reach Producer Jeremy Blasi at (510) 642-1583, email: blasi@uclink.berkeley.edu, or visit http://henningcenter.berkeley.edu. The packets, including the video and curriculum guide, cost $15 each (shipping costs included); or $10 each for orders of 10 or more and $7.50 each for orders of 50 or more (plus shipping - contact for cost). Make out a check to "UC Regents" and send it to: Att: Jeremy Blasi, UC Berkeley Labor Center, 2521 Channing Way, Berkeley, CA 94720.

Trading Democracy - Moyers videos
The issues of transparency - and NAFTA Chapter 11 are well explained in Bill Moyers' Reports: Trading Democracy. The impact is carried further when you remember that the same "lack of transparency" (as in secret courts make the decisions) are included in the Chile and FTAA agreements.

Order a copy of the video - $7 each and watch it - share the stories of Metalclad - where $16 million was paid by Mexico after losing a case; and the pending MTBE case in California where the claim is for $970 million against the US. This may be ordered at:
http://www.cwa-union.org/international/ftaa/bill_moyers_order.asp.

Talking Trade Order
Free copies of our publication: "CWA Talking Trade, Taking a Stand for Justice" may be ordered on our website by clicking on the following: http://www.cwa-union.org/international/ftaa/forms/talkingtrade.asp.


http://www.pcusa.org/trade/
WHY JUST TRADE?
Revenge of the Acronyms: WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA and FTAA
Can Acronyms Cause Hunger and Poverty?
Yes, they can.


http://www.uevermont.org/politicalaction/global.html
Global Justice

Bosses just love the global economy. It's the good old "divide and conquer" trick, but on a much bigger scale. Workers have always fared best when we are able to bridge the divisions that bosses try to place between us, and that is no different even when the divisions are on a global scale.

For the past several decades, workers everywhere in the world have been under attack - our wages, jobs, living standards, trade union rights, social programs, and rights to a healthy and safe environment. Called "neoliberalism" in most parts of the world, it is often known as "corporate globalization" in the U.S., and a key component of it is to make workers in different countries engage in a "race to the bottom" in the name of "competitiveness."

The corporate approach to globalization is enforced through trade agreements like the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the proposed Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) and Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and by international financial institutions (sometimes refered to as IFI's) like the World Trade Organization (WTO), International Monetary Fund (IMF), and World Bank. Also crucial to corporate globalization have been large-scale development projects like Plan Peubla-Panama and, when popular resistance to these schemes arises, military intervention to put it down.

In response to this corporate-led globalization, working people around the world have begun to promote globalization from below. This loose coalition made international news by shutting down the WTO's meeting in Seattle in 1999, and large-scale "global justice" protests have been common ever since. Working people have also built international campaigns against specific corporations which have been successful in winning concrete gains, strategized with workers from other countries about how to take on the world-wide corporate offensive of privatization and deregulation, and created international forums to begin defining an alternative vision of a global economy, one that puts people before profits and creates justice and prosperity for all.



These were all found with a google search for: NAFTA CAFTA FTAA WTO.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:06 PM
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44. Not alot of people also realize
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 01:06 PM by camero
That alot of the developing countries to where these jobs are goin also don't have or enforce child labor laws and as an effect, the American workforce is competing with children who should be getting an education.

Case in point, Nike sweatshops.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:09 PM
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45. Thanks for pointing that out.
This is EXACTLY why people should be vehemently OPPOSED to these trade agreements.

They are designed with the interests of corporations in mind.

Yes, you will get cheaper products.

What price are you willing to force on others, so long as yours goes down?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:32 PM
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41. Kick
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:27 PM
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46. And another...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 04:13 PM
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47. Yet again...
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49. It's over, Johnny
Let the thread die.
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