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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 11:53 AM
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Can anyone say what area a 2000lb bomb explosion covers?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:03 PM
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1. I think the OKLA city bombing was about 5000 lbs of explosives....
And we recall how monstrous that was. But I would guess there might be a difference in types of explosives?
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:15 PM
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4. Yes, McViegh used a mixture of ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel.
This mixture doesn't have an extremely high expansion rate. I don't know what they use in iron bombs these days, but it probably has a much higher expansion rate.

High explosives will do more damage to a building in a direct hit, but the lower expansion rate of the diesel and fertilizer bomb is actually more effective when detonated in the vicinity of a building. The slower moving shock wave is able to exert more force on the building than the fast moving shock wave resulting from a high explosive.
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:42 PM
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14. Some
Aluminum Oxide and Styrene and he would have had A 5000lb bomb made with military grade explosive. It would have leveled the building preasure at the detonation point would have been about 1000Kg per ssq cm.... Now thats scarry.
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:14 PM
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2. Depends
On the delay fusing and guidence of the munition and actual type.

For example the MK 84 200lb dumb bomb 118 meters square.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:15 PM
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3. Eglin AFB
Bombing range. We set off an estimated six tons of misc. bombs. Pretty good bang/boom. Set the forest on fire, big hole in the ground. Those were high explosives, very fast moving blast wave. McVeighs bomb slow moving explosion cause much more damage than similar amont of HE. Or so I was taught in EOD.

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OpelGT Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:19 PM
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5. Depends....
That depends on a lot of things like terrain, chemical composition of the explosive, what type of delivery, physical structure of the device, and a host of other things.


Some are designed to make a large explosion with a big pressure wave to cover a lot of ground, and relatively little fragmentation(or not). Others can be designed as a directional charge which concentrates the explosive force into a much smaller area. There are several uses in between.

Why do you ask? You gonna blow up something?--Just kidding here.;)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 06:54 PM
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17. Hi OpelGT!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:19 PM
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6. whatever it covers it's still deadly to the environment

one more nail in our coffin
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phirili Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:22 PM
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7. I'm wondering how they can eliminate one home in a residential area
without destroyiny other residential homes and injuring/killing other residents.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:26 PM
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8. An authorized and licensed demolitions crew...
...anything else is wishful thinking and highly illegal.

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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:26 PM
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9. They Cant do it
Not with a dumb bomb. The accuracy is +/- 8 meters and the shock wave and changing preasure wave will cause "collateral dammage" (god I hate that phrase)
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LoneStarLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:33 PM
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10. DK666 Is Dead-On
You don't eliminate a building, whether a house or an office building, in a residential environment with a bomb of that size without killing innocent people. Why? It's not just the explosion and subsequent shrapnel from the bomb casing that kills; it's also the debris from your target and the concussive force of the explosion.

A 2000lb bomb as one hell of a concussive force. My very raw guess would be that the concussion alone could kill people up to 30 yards away. This kind of thing is difficult to calculate since so much depends on structure, vegitation density(not a big problem in Iraq), air burst or ground burst, etc.
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 12:40 PM
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11. Correct
The preasure zone kill radius is 40 meters. Within this range soft targets are crushed.
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myopinion Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:01 PM
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12. Think he cares how he kills?
It is sad how history is repeating itself.
In Nam we burnt down whole villages to protect the locale's from the “insurgents” and when that didn’t work I am sorry to say we started a plan to “Just killed e’m all and let GOD sort out the enemy”
Now with these killer bombs we can do it a lot more efficiently. Hitler would be proud of the progress.

STOP THE WAR or the peace as shrub calls it!
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:20 PM
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13. Gawd, there's a Rush Limbaugh joke in there.
Gawd, there's a Rush Limbaugh joke in there somewhere, probbaly involving spicy food and beano.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 01:46 PM
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15. I'm not familiar with explosives, but..
I believe I've read 500yds as the effect range for these.
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DK666 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-03 02:09 PM
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16. Heres a link to a MOAB Video
Edited on Wed Nov-19-03 02:14 PM by DK666
MOAB - Massive Ordnance Air Blast

It is the largest non-nuclear weapon in existence.

18,000 lbs of High Explosives


http://207.137.168.225/moab.mpeg


Carefull its 11 mb.
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