I'm so mad...How do I best respond to freeper email?

[gWbush is Mabus]

On edit: THANKS DU!!! you guys are awesome! I feel better now. :)

My Repub. Dad sent me this email about all this crap about Bill Clinton that was debunked months ago.
I can see that it was forwarded to about 60 people.
I don't have time to research and discredit all the points, but i hate to see these lies spread further.
If I had time, I would debunk each "myth", tell the good that Clinton did, then tell the evil that Bush is doing...that would take months!
What should I do???

here it is:
Dear Mr. Ex President Clinton:
I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and I am sending my "Thank you" for what you have done, specifically:
1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?
2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until he was a little older to discuss
it with him, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.
3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and one person may have sex while the other one does NOT have sex.
4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.
5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.
6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.
7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other " Clinton" scandals.
8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.
9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars--- I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, the family and your cronies have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.
10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society. (Not to mention the scores he pardoned while Governor of Arkansas)
11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."
12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel.
Thank you!
13. And finally, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay!
14. The last and most important point - thank you for forcing Israel to let Mohammed Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners". However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of
State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports. Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth?
What a guy!!
If you agree that the American public must be made aware of these facts, pass this on. God bless America and THANK YOU (once again) for spending my taxes so wisely and frugally.

SINCERELY,
A US Citizen

PS. Please pass along a special thank you to Al Gore for "inventing" the Internet, without which I would not be able to send this wonderful factual e-mail.

AND THE REST OF THE STORY
Hillary Rodham Clinton, as a New York State Senator, now comes under the "Congressional Retirement and Staffing Plan," which means that even if she never gets reelected, she STILL receives her Congressional salary until she dies (Would it not be nice if all Americans were pension eligible after only 4 years?)
If Bill outlives her, he then inherits HER salary until HE dies. He is already getting his Presidential salary until he dies. If Hillary outlives Bill, she also gets HIS salary until she dies. Guess who pays for that? WE DO!
It's common knowledge that in order for her to establish NY residency, they purchased a million dollar-plus house in upscale Chappaqua, New York. Makes sense. They are entitled to Secret Service protection for life. Still makes sense.
Here is where it becomes interesting. Their mortgage payments hover at around $10,000 per month. BUT, an extra residence HAD to be built within the acreage to house the Secret Service agents. The Clintons charge the Federal government $10,000 monthly rent for the use of that extra residence, which is just about equal to their mortgage payment. This means that we, the taxpayers, are paying the Clinton's salary, mortgage, transportation, safety and security, as well as the salaries for their 12 man staff -- and, this is all perfectly legal!
When she runs for President, will you vote for her?

How many people can YOU send this to?

[MrBenchley]

1. Send the entire list

something like Chimpy's resume...

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html

With a note that says "While some people try to pretend a humjob was the crime of the century..."

[E_Zapata]

10. wow, that IS great!!!

touche!

[HEyHEY]

2. umm

"Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?"

You can thank the media and the republican party for that...they
re the ones that nosed into his personal life and dragged it around everywhere.

[La_Serpiente]

3. Geezus

they can never get over Clinton. Well, we will hear the mantra all THROUGHOUT the campaign next season. BLAME CLINTON!!!

Tell him to get over Clinton already. He should be defending Bush if he loved Republicans so much.

[Brewman_Jax]

4. You can answer with this...

My lists know better than to send me freeper e-mail. Since I won't get to use this, maybe you can use it.

******

Dear Mr. Bush:

Thank you for ignoring the Saudi's responsibility for the September 11th attacks, after all, 15 out of the 19 hijackers were Saudi's, as well as Osama.. You bomb the hell out Afghanistan, yet have the Saudi Royal family to your home in Texas, while their banks are laundering the terrorist's money and making sure Al Qaeda's assets are safe...

Thank you for not publicly mentioning that the Saudis are politically, and financially supporting groups like Hamas and other terror organizations. Although the Saudi's fund terror, you haven't included them in your "list of terror" nations.. You have also NOT mentioned them in your "war on terror"...

Thank you for causing the families who are grieving the senseless loss of their family members in the September 11th attacks to have to go after the Saudi's WITHOUT any help from your administration.. You would think that the US would be first in line to go after the assets of a country who supports terrorists during a "war on terror"...

Thank you for making Saddam your new boogieman.. It's finally gotten through your thick heads that the constant fake terror warnings all spring and summer to get the attention away from the damage you're doing to the country was just making the public angry.. Too bad your daddy didn't finish the job in Iraq when there were over 500,000 American troops in the area 10 years ago..

So, Thanks for being as big a screw up as your daddy...

Thank you for telling the American public how the economy is so strong, even though the Dow Jones Average has lost 25% of it's value since you were crowned, that you've managed to lose a good percentage of the 22 million new jobs that were created after your father's recession, and other economic indicators are saying that the economy is stagnant and going nowhere..

Thanks for helping to destroy a strong economy between the election, your selection and your inauguration day by down talking the strong economy so you could get your huge tax cut passed as a pay back for your wealthiest contributors..

Thanks for instructing your supporters to keep reminding the public about the last president's sex life. It helps the perverts who fixated on his sex life while he was in office to keep those images in their heads..

After all, only a perverted individual would obsess about a private relationship between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS....

One bad thing about it, it reminds the country that 18 short months ago, the biggest news was who the president was having sex with, rather than terror alerts, 3000 deaths, the stock market losing its value, people's retirements vanishing, escalating violence in the middle east, and all the other daily disasters that have gripped the country since your daddy's friends at the US Supreme Court gave you your job...

In your first international incident, thank you for telling China that the US would never apologize for the spy plane incident, then issue a statement a few days later saying that the United States was very very very sorry for allowing it's plane to be hit by China's pilot..

Thank you, Mr. Bush, for the growing unemployment rate.. When you were appointed, the country had just gone through a period when 22 million jobs were created in 8 years, you've managed to lose 11 million of them in 18 short months..

Thank you for turning the longest and strongest period of economic growth into the first recession since your daddy's recession..

Since you were handed your job, $17 trillion dollars of the nation's worth of wealth has evaporated from the stock markets, America thanks you for their lost savings and retirement funds.

Thank you so much for taking your month long Texas vacation last summer (after only 6 months of work), and ignoring the terror warnings that were coming in all summer.. Little things like, young Arab men in flight schools in Arizona who wanted to steer airplanes, but not fly them, a young Arab man in custody in Minnesota who wanted to fly an airplane into the World Trade Center, and for ignoring reports that Osama bin Laden wanted to hijack airplanes..

As long as we're thanking you for vacations, thanks for breaking a record for the most vacation time during your first seven months of work for ANY SITTING PRESIDENT..

Thank you Mr. President for hiding the fact that your administration was warned about the terror attacks before September 11th for 8 months, so you could run around the country playing hero..

While the country was reeling from the attacks on September 11th, thank you Mr. Bush for running and hiding like a little girl.. It was comforting for the nation to see Karen Hughes on TV on the afternoon of September 11th telling the country that the president was safe..

Thank you for selling your September 11th photo's so the republican party could profit from the deaths of 3000 innocent people...

Thank you for not even looking at the airport security and anti terrorism measures that the Clinton administration had sent to the house in 96, 97, 98, 99 and 2000..

Yes, Mr. Bush, the same airport security and anti terrorism measures that the house republicans killed each and every one of those years without even bringing them up for debate because they were too busy looking into Mr. Clinton's bedroom window..

Thank you for at least implementing most of the measures that Clinton had asked for AFTER SEPTEMBER 11th.

Thank you Mr. Bush for spending the first 234 days of your presidency pushing your massive tax cut plan, and Ken Lay's Enron Energy policy thatwould have saved that crooked company from bankruptcy.

Thank you for the tax cut that rewards middle income individuals with around a $100 dollars a year, but rewards people in Dick Cheney's income bracket over $125,000 dollars a year..

Thank you some more, for that tax cut that is using OUR social security money to pay for you giving hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to your biggest contributors.

Thank you, even more, for that tax cut for your wealthiest friends that is now leading our country into deficit spending, guaranteeing that our children and grandchildren's tax dollars will be spent on paying off your debt and spending their tax money on interest on that debt..

While our country is at war, thank you so very much Mr. President for spending at least three days a week traveling around the country at taxpayer expense fundraising and campaigning for republican candidates..

Thank you Mr. Bush for relaxing clean air standards leading to more acid rain, and global warming..

Thank you for bowing down to the mining industry by allowing more arsenic in our drinking water..

Thank you Mr. Bush for rewarding the Taliban with $43 million dollars in aid less than four months before September 11th..

Thank you for reversing Clinton's 1998 ban on all aid to the Taliban for harboring bin Laden.. We know that the Taliban wouldn't have used any of that $43 million dollars to harm Americans, after all, we've all know how much they love the US....

Thank you Mr. Bush for your father working for the Carlyle Group, owned by Osama bin Laden's family, even after September 11th.

Thank you Mr. Bush, for the terror warnings that your administration always puts out to deflect attention away from embarrassing news that your administration is involved in.

Thank you Mr. Bush for letting Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar escape..

Thank you Mr. President for waffling on the stem cell issue, thus delaying cures for horrible diseases like: diabetes, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's disease, alzheimer's, etc, etc for years and years..

Thank you Mr. Bush for encouraging your "operatives" to keep lying and slandering the last administration.. After all, Al Gore never said that he invented the internet. He said that he helped in the creation of the World Wide Web by guaranteeing federal funds for its research.. That's quite a big difference.

Signed...

[caledesi]

13. LA - This is a keeper. Thanks!

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

17. That's so much better than my response....

I'm not gonna post it now.

[meegbear]

5. Info on these ...

http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/thanksbill.html

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/pensions.htm

[Champion Jack]

6. Reply to all

and hit 'em with the FACTS.
They can't handle the facts.

[rucky]

12. Nooooo

Facts have nothing to do with it - it's all an alpha dog domination game. If your guy is attacked, attack his guy back & don't even try to play defense.

Attack Bush - there's so much ammo, why waste a perfectly good opportunity to use it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Try this.

Clinton Policies

Tried to get Universal Health Care
National Health Care Costs rising at 10% per annum. Cut to 3%
Deficit Reduction Package
Crime Bill
100,000 cops on street—crime down down down
Welfare Reform-- Mend do not end. GOP helped bit time
80% increase in child welfare payments
Job Growth-Record 236,000 per month. (Reagan/Bush 167,000)
Largest percentage of Americans working in history
Largest Home Ownership in history
Record number of small business formations
Tax Cut for 15 million working families
Family and Medical Leave Act
Defense Reinvest and Conversion—Bush enjoying weapons created by Clinton
Direct loan programs for students
Guts to put promises in a book "Putting People First"-58 promises in book. Took action on 56 in first two years.
Second best record in history for getting legislation through Congress in first to years. LBJ number one.
Reinvented Government—cut payroll
Fewest number of civilians on federal payroll in 36 years
Attacked cop killing nasty rifle association.
Attacked the cancer inducing tobacco industry
Promoted a global effort to ban abusive forms of child labor
Loan 12.8 Billion to Mexico. Made 800 Million profit. Kept Mexico afloat.
Wash. Post kept list of campaign promises. 162. Took action on 96% in first two years.
Took on prejudice toward other Americans in military
Took on his own Southern Baptist Church
Hard smart work in Middle East and Bosnia-Kosovo
Honored with all of the following:
Dove of Peace Award
Rabin-Peres Peace Award
Gandhi Peace Award
Order of Good Hope Award
Nominated for Nobel Peace Award
Northern Ireland Peace Agreement
Lifeaholics of America Award for Quarter Century "Working for a Life Not Just A Living".
First President to visit Northern Ireland
Cleanup of Toxic sites. Record
Increasing weekly earnings
Shoo Shoo Saddam get away from Kuwait
Stopping Haitians from drowning enroute to freedom
First to visit South Africa
First to make a determined effort to help the African continent come together and grow together
Taxing top 1.2% of very wealthy to get Zoom Zoom Boom economy
Stopping Republicans in the House from raiding Medicare of 181 Billion
Stopping Republicans raid on Medicaid
Stopping Republicans raid on education
Stopping Republicans attack on environment
Largest increase in Education funding since GI Bill
Increased funding for Head Start
Nafta.. A success until the Peso went south
Submitting 8 budgets close to rate of inflation
Brady Bill
Gaat
Assault Weapons Ban
Telling Japan "You take our auto parts or we will apply tariffs on you
California Desert Protection
Forest Management Plan for Northwest
Restoration of Florida Everglades
Preservation of land in Utah
Major increase in funding for homeless
Motor Voter Act
Lobbying Reform Effort. Handshake with Newt who reneged
Pressure to get Campaign Finance Reform.
National Export Strategy. Unbelievable success.
Over 250 Trade pacts
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Pact
Summit of Americas
Super 301
Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.
Bottom Up Review of Military
Agreement with Cuba to stop flow of immigrants to USA.
Ameri-Corps
Reduced Nuclear Threat Around the World
Community Banking Act
FEMA used as an active participant and a leader in disaster relief
Tax on well off social security beneficiaries
100,000 new teachers effort
5,000 new classroom effort
50% of classes thru K-12 on internet
Fourth Graders improvement on world tests
Lifetime Learning Opportunity Program
Controls on Spending and Borrowing
Pension Protection Act of 1994
Record high consumer confidence
Very, very, very low Misery Index
National Agenda on Racial Prejudices
First to get African-American unemployment under 10%
Balanced Budget
Record Corporate profits
Record Bank profits
Record Savings and Loan profits
Never whining despite non-sop smears and attacks
Not having a Mean Bone in his body per Historian David Maraniss
Not knowing how to hate
Classing others as "opponents" not "enemies"
Inviting your attackers to the White House functions
Inviting your defeated opponent Bob Dole to visit troops at Christmas
A national attack on hate crimes
Fighting to protect "legal" immigrants from Republicans in the House.
Fighting hard for Fast Track legislation
Kennedy and Kassenbaum Portability of Insurance
Lowest interest rates in 30 years
Allowing millions of homeowners to refinance home loans at lower (much) rates
Lowest unemployment in 25 years
Lowest inflation in 25 years
Lowest welfare rolls in 27 years
Lowest crime Rates in 25 years
First balanced budget sent to Congress in 29 years
Protecting worker pensions (repeat?)
Opposed ban on "Late Term Abortions"
A stock market which passed a 1,000 mark six times
Greatest growth in federal revenues in history
Played Saxophone and Smoked Peace Pipe, instead of beating War Drums like____.
One of History's all time workers for Peace
President in a year when Fortune Magazine classified it as "Greatest Economy in the History of the world"
Popularity jump in the midst of a scandal.
President with highest peacetime popularity in Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe.
Highest popularity of any president at end of fifth year in office
One of the most highly regarded First Lady in History.
One of the most highly regarded Vice-President in History

[judge_smales]

8. Maybe you could aks what the hell Clinton

has to do with ANYTHING? He's been out of office for 3 years. Why the obsession w/ Clinton?

Maybe send him a list of Nixon's transgressions. It's just as relevant.

[E_Zapata]

9. Well, start with a REPLY TO ALL.........

And just give a simple comment.

Maybe find a file that lists Clinton's accomplishments while in office and insert that in there.

And then comment: Remember how great it was when the federal govt WASN'T bankrupt?

[Virgil]

11. On buying houses think Cheney

The VP and Presient are required to come from different states. When this fact made Cheney's residence in Texas an issue he bought a house in Wyoming. Put that in your letter and burn it.

[dkamin]

14. Duplicate (EOM)

[dkamin]

15. I would simply say this

Thank you to the Republican Congress for wasting our country's resources on investigating President Clinton's sex life and handcuffing him from taking a more active approach against Al Qaeda.

Thank you to the Republican Congress for accusing President Clinton, after he launched missile strikes against Osama bin Laden, of attempting to distract the public from his sex life.

Thank you to the Republican Congress (and President George W. Bush) for claiming that the terrorism threat wasn't a real one, and that missile defense, Cuba, and Iraq were all much more important issues, preventing President Clinton from more forcefully engaging Al Qaeda.

And thank you to President George W. Bush for ignoring the comprehensive report and strike plan prepared by the Clinton team against Al Qaeda in early 2001, and ignoring all of our allies' warnings against a potential hijacking of airplanes against major US targets. Thank you for 9/11, you bumbling hate-filled bastards.

[tom_paine]

16. REPLY TO ALL! Here's some stuff to do it with...

cut and paste THIS list (be sure to point out that, rather than unsupported assertions, this list has credible links to believeable sources)

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/03/27_lies.html

Here's another, which ultimately links to all the lies Bush told (so many you can't even keep track of them on one page anymore...

www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

NUKE THE BASTARDSWITH FACTS!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[WoodrowFan]

18. a suggestion

do a reply all. include ..\\


1.) links to sites like Snopes or breakthechain to show that the last points are out and out lies. Be sure to ask why they are spreading already debunked lies??

2.)T hen do a search (bartcop is good) for the list of criminal convictions. show how many MORE convictions there were under Reagan/Bush than under Clinton. Remind the reader(s) how much money the repuks spent trying to find something to charge Clinton with, and all they could find was a lie about a BJ.

3) Include the concrete examples from the list of Clinton's accomplistments posted above, such as the end of the deficit.

that should do it, debunking and putting into context.

[Grins]

22. Then, end it with...

"...and since this is all publicly available knowledge, would you please be sure to pass it on to the person that is doing your critical thinking for you. Thanks.”

It bugs me when people read whatever is sent to them and can't seem to find the simplest of errors just screaming at them.

[LoneStarLiberal]

19. Avalanche

I was going to say employ a nasty script called Avalanche against the person sending this tripe to you, but since it's your dad, you probably wouldn't want to do that.

[msmcghee]

20. I once had a freeper relate all the Bad Clinton rhetoric to me.

So I asked her to pick her best shot. Pick the worst crime Clinton had allegedly committed - and gotten away with.

She said there's so many - but how about filegate. There's Hillary and Bill both taking confidential FBI files on republican staff and using them for political advantage - and they were never punished for it.

So I the spent the next two days on the net compiling the full story - the chronology - the undisputed facts - the allegations.

The result of course - was that a worker helping with the transition - on loan from the Army - mistakenly requested and received the files. He thought he was supposed to get them to vet the applications for whitehouse staff. (Or something close to that - I can't remember all the details now.) The Clintons never saw the files or even knew they were being used. In otherwords it was a lot of screaming by partisan repukes that was spread all over the media for several weeks. But nothing happened because no-one had done anything wrong and no damage was done - it was just an honest mistake.

This conclusion was reached by a government commission including prominent repukes set up to get to the bottom of the allegations - who took statements under oath and examined every shred of evidence available. Of course it was hard to find the results in the newspapers because it was pretty much buried by the press.

But I carefully compiled the data and presented it to this person. She read it quietly. Then she floored me when she said that she still believed the Clintons were guilty. Her reasoning was that the media never would have spent so much time on it if there was nothing there - and of course she added that the Clintons were powerful enough to squirm out of it anyway.

:eyes:

So, the moral is - for many of them it is simply a matter of passionately hating liberals and Clinton. It has nothing to do with logic or fairness. And I guess the lesson is don't waste your time trying to reason with someone consumed by hate. It can ruin your day.

[Scott Lee]

21. Sign up their email address to a porn spam list.

That can work wonders.

[Sparkle]

23. Why would he give credit to something like that and

... spam it to 60 other people? Tell him to stop being stupid and THINK.