How Many DUers Would Sign A Piece Of Paper Right Now That Said...

[THUNDER HANDS]

"I promise to vote for whomever gets the nomination, even if that candidate is not the one I was supporting fully, somewhat or even a little bit."


Signed,


x______________________


I'd sign it. Even if it's Lieberman who was up against Bush.

You?

[wtmusic]

1. Even Lieberman? C'mon Rat, I just ate

OK, OK *gag reflex*

[ChickMagic]

2. So would I

Anyone, even Lieberman, would be better than Bushco.

[chimpymustgo]

3. Signed, sealed, delivered.

nt

[Yupster]

4. I could probably go for anyone but

Sharpton or Kucinich.

Since they're both at 1 %, I'm not very nervous.

[blondeatlast]

5. Even Lieberman. Where do I sign?

[zeemike]

6. It’s not that I wouldn’t

But I am against loyalty oaths that lock you in.
The Germans took a loyalty oath to the Fuehrer and it brought them only misery and death.

[wysimdnwyg]

7. Even Lieberman

I wouldn't like it, but, well, ABB.

[MissMarple]

8. Me. Oh, dear, if it's Joe, what will that do to the Middle East?

Just asking. This could get interesting.

[Wickerman]

9. I promise to vote for whomever gets the DEM nomination

yep, I'd sign it with that addition. I know the intent, just careful of what I sign. Yes, even if it were Lieberman.

[Demonaut]

10. even lieberman

sure why not

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Lieberman is a tough sell!

For the good of my country, I would sign. ABB

Lieberman will never be elected so it's not really a concern of mine. :)

[bigrootcanal]

12. It's too open to interpretation

That disclaimer could be construed to allow voting for anyone from A to Z and that includes W and C.

[matcom]

13. not Lieberman

everybody ELSE gets my vote

No. NOT LIEberman

never.

[La_Serpiente]

14. I would support Lieberman

on the condition that he steers more of his issues to the left. He would have to scrap his support for faith-based initiatives.

[arcane1]

15. I would

I'm under no illusions that we'll get a Dem messiah in 2004 who will make all this evil go away. I expect baby steps, at best, until I depart this mortal world an old man

I think too many on the left are thinking that the next nominee will somehow rid the world of PNAC, greed, corruption, WTO, etc, etc.

ain't gonna happen. Not in a single presidential election, anyway

[Rowdyboy]

16. reluctantly, angrily, unhappily, yes...

I would sign.

[rucky]

17. Even Carrot Top

Even Spongebob
Even my dog - er - Especially my dog
Even Oprah
Even a poo-stick

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

63. Even a poo-stick?

I would only vote for a poo-stick in the event of a mini-movie.

[murielm99]

18. Okay ...

I would sign, but reluctantly. C'mon, what is the alternative? I would never vote for Shrub! ewwwwww

[matcom]

20. write-in candidate

may i nominate MYSELF???? :P

THAT is what i would do if Lieberman "won" the nomination

[ikojo]

51. Matcom in 2004

ABB.....

Even Matcom....

[proud patriot]

19. I'd sign it in a heartbeat

Yup!

[Old and In the Way]

21. gimme da pen

[ComerPerro]

22. Sure

I like all of our candidates over Bush

[Don_G]

23. Anybody But Lieberman

We don't need a Democratic Rethug in the White House.

[goobergunch]

24. If old enough to vote, I would. (n/t)

[IronLionZion]

25. ABB, even holy Joe

[VolcanoJen]

26. Somebody get me a pen!!

I'm signin', you're signin', we're all signin' dammit!!!

:D

[Clark Can WIN]

74. That thing you do?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh. I LOVE that movie!

[KG]

27. sign the paper, KG!!!

'i cannot sign the paper!'

'and why can't you sign the paper!?'

'the clark supporters have broken both of my hands!'

[THUNDER HANDS]

28. LOL

:D

[mlawson]

29. Done. No alternative, IMO.

But I really, really hope it's not Lieberman....

[tom_paine]

30. Of course it's signed

Anything else is aiding the utter destruction of the Old American Republic we loved so well.

Sorry, that's just how I (and apparently many others) see it.

[RetroLounge]

31. So now I need two bumper stickers

ABB...

Even Lieberman...

[jpgray]

32. LOL! That would be the funniest political bumper sticker ever! (nt)

[Mrs. Overall]

33. Yes--anyone at this point.... n/t

[ElementaryPenguin]

34. You could on my John Hancock as well!

Yes, even for yucky Holy Joe!

[Scott Lee]

35. Joe Lieberman would actually be WORSE when it comes to war

so I must respectfully decline. If Lieberman were the nominee I'd have to vote a third party and gird for 4 more years of shitface.

[Padraig18]

36. I would!

The worst candidate we have is a ten-thousand fold improvement on *.

[mitchum]

37. absolutely

[alphafemale]

38. Yeah...even Lieberman.

muttergrumble

[Melinda]

39. No. I would not vote Lieberman under any circumstances.

I will abstain first.

[RichardRay]

40. Done....

with the reservation that I _believe_ LaRouche is registered as a Democrat. Face with the choice of Larouche or Bush I think I'd probably have to leave the planet.

[never cry wolf]

41. Don't forget the ham sandwich

or the flying pig!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=244761

where do i sign??

[Wapsie B]

42. I would.

Be it Holy Joe or a yellow dog, I'd sign it in a heartbeat.

[Terran]

43. Joe is an angel next to Bush

I'd sign it without hesitation.

[Eloriel]

44. No way. Done prostituting my vote. It's sacred. If a candidate

wants my vote, he has to earn it. I'm fairly easy. After all, I voted for Clinton twice. But there are a few rockbottom must have's:

* Either voted NO on the war, or unambiguously opposed it (if not in a position to vote) OR apologizes and renounces that ugly, self-serving, politically expedient, warmongering vote.

* Honesty and integrityand most of all authenticity. I only see it in Dean, to a certain extent (not exclusively) in Kucinich, and in Sharpton and Moseley-Braun.

* No goddamned pandering. I'm sick to death of it.

* No cutesie programs and policies (like forcing high school kids to volunteer).

* No current involvement with the DLC. No DLC consultants, and that includes Clinton consultants, name not on their NDOL rolls, no pro-corporate-speak (like Clark today).

* Doesn't lie about the other candidates or misrepresent their views, as Gephardt and Edwards and IMO Sharpton have done.

* They have to want the job, and for the right reasons.

Doesn't leave many candidates, does it?

Eloriel

[DUreader]

45. Agree with E.

[Clark Can WIN]

79. I guess waffles don't bother you then?

courtesy of IranianDemocrat: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=716422

Flip: In 1992, Dean said, "I don't support the death penalty for two reasons. One, you might have the wrong guy, and, two, the state is like a parent. Parents who smoke cigarettes can't really tell their children not to smoke and be taken seriously. If a state tells you not to murder people, a state shouldn't be in the business of taking people's lives." The Rutland Herald, a Vermont newspaper, says that in those days "Dean was an outspoken opponent of the death penalty."

Flop: In early June 2003, Dean issued a statement declaring, "As governor, I came to believe that the death penalty would be a just punishment for certain, especially heinous crimes, such as the murder of a child or the murder of a police officer. The events of Sept. 11 convinced me that terrorists also deserve the ultimate punishment."

Context: Dean's statement added, "I would instruct my attorney general to seek capital punishment only in very serious cases, including those involving vulnerable victims and those involving terrorism." On June 22, 2003, Dean said on Meet the Press, "The only instances that I support the death penalty are 1) murder of a child, 2) a mass murder like a terrorist, and 3) the shooting of a police officer." He cited a series of 1994 Vermont newspaper articles that documented his rethinking of capital punishment. Dean said the rape-murder of Polly Klaas by a previously convicted sex offender prompted his rethinking. He said he worried that life imprisonment without parole didn't guarantee justice because convicted murderers could still get out on a "technicality." He rejected deterrence (except for cop-killers) and vengeance as arguments for the death penalty. He said he came to support capital punishment because terrorists and child predators are "incapable of being rehabilitated," and "to let these people out is too dangerous."

Flip: On Feb. 28, 1995, Dean said on CNN's Crossfire that Social Security "absolutely" needed to "increase the retirement age." According to a March 3, 1995 Newhouse News Service report on a subsequent Dean breakfast with reporters, "The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else." In June 2003, Dean said on Meet the Press, "I also would entertain taking the retirement age to 68."

Flop: At a presidential candidate forum on Aug. 5, 2003, Dean said, "I have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70, nor do I favor one of 68."


DEAN FLIP-FLOPS ON COMPLETING MISSION IN IRAQ
March 2003: Dean Ducks Troops Question. “ repeatedly declined to say whether he thinks the United States should withdraw its troops immediately from Iraq, as some vocal war opponents urge. Responding to questions before and during the event, Dean declined to call for the troops’ return, saying he didn’t know the implications for geopolitics and soldiers’ safety and wasn’t privy to intelligence on the ground in Iraq. ‘I didn’t get us into this,’ Dean said. ‘Unfortunately, I’m not president now and I can’t get us out of this.’” (Joanna Weiss, “Dean Ducks Prescription For Quitting Iraq,” The Boston Globe, 3/27/03)

Dean Then Berated Bush For Suggesting American Troops Could Come In 18 Months. “If the President thinks our troops will be out in 18 months, he is smoking something he forgot about when he was at Yale.” (Rebecca Cook, “Howard Dean Rallies Supporters In Seattle,” The Associated Press, 5/15/03)

September 1: Dean Said U.S. Should Not Pull Troops Out Of Iraq. “We can’t leave Iraq. We can’t pull out, because if we do that, chaos ensues or else a fundamentalist Shiite regime may arise with undo Iranian influence, both of which would be more dangerous than Saddam Hussein.” (Howard Dean On CNN’s “Crossfire Goes Inside Politics,” 9/1/03)

ONLY THREE DAYS LATER: In Debate, Dean Said Our Troops Should Come Home From Iraq. DEAN: “We need more troops. They’re going to be foreign troops, as they should have been in the first place, not American troops. Ours need to come home.” (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPS OVER AMERICAN LABOR STANDARDS

July 2003: Dean Called For Strict American Labor Standards For International Trade. “Unlike U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, Dean doesn’t want to get rid of the North American Free Trade Agreement. ‘This trade is important to America. It’s important for our national defense,’ Dean said. ‘But we need the same labor standards in Mexico and China as you have in the United States, and the same environmental standards.’” (Lynn Okamoto, “Dean Calls Economy Top Issue For 2004 Race,” The Des Moines Register, 7/19/03)

Dean Backpedaled In Debate, Saying International Standards Could Work. LIEBERMAN: “ay I say just briefly that Governor Dean … referred to American standards, not international standards.” DEAN: “Either is fine with me.” LIEBERMAN: “Well, then that’s a reassuring change of position.” (Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Albuquerque, NM, 9/4/03)


…To an Ever-Growing List of Dean Flip-Flops:

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON PUBLIC FINANCING OF HIS 2004 CAMPAIGN

Summer 2003 Public Financing Flip-Flop: Dean “backed away from his pledge to adhere to spending limits, saying some advisers want to explore opting out of the Watergate-era public financing system because of his sudden fund-raising success. … ‘Could we change our mind? Sure,’ he said. … “Dean signed a letter to the promising to abide by the program’s rules, including its spending limits.” (Ron Fournier, “Dean Pulls Back On Spending Limits Pledge,” The Associated Press, 8/15/03)

DEAN ALSO FLIP-FLOPPED ON PUBLIC FINANCING OF HIS 2000 CAMPAIGN!

July 2000 Public Financing Flip: “Gov. Howard Dean is challenging his Republican opponents to accept a $300,000 campaign spending cap even if a federal judge overturns the limit. … ‘This law is important in restoring public faith in the election process,’ Dean said in a prepared statement. ‘Vermonters need to know that their small donations are just as important as a $1,000 check from a multi-national corporation or PAC (political action committee).’ Dean said he was at a financial disadvantage, first because he had a lower spending limit as an incumbent, but also because he faced two challengers who were likely to have at least $300,000 apiece.” (“Dean Challenges Republicans To Spending Limits,” The Associated Press, 7/21/00)

August 2000 Public Financing Flop: “Gov. Howard Dean abandoned public funding for his re-election campaign, saying he couldn’t take the chance he would be outspent 4-1 by his Republican opponent. Publicly financed campaigns were part of strict campaign finance reform legislation championed by Dean, who signed it into law in 1997. … Progressive Party gubernatorial candidate Anthony Pollina, the only candidate now using public funding, criticized Dean’s decision. ‘I am not surprised. In some way it shows his true colors,’ Pollina said. ‘Ultimately, it’s a victory for big money and bad for average citizens.’” (Wilson Ring, “Governor Abandons Public Funding,” The Associated Press, 8/18/00)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON LIFTING CUBA EMBARGO

Dean Once Favored Lifting Cuba Embargo, Now Says It Would Be Wrong. “Howard Dean, who sells himself as the presidential campaign’s straightest shooter, is starting to throw voters some curves. … Last weekend, Dean shifted his position on the trade embargo against Cuba. Dean, who had supported rolling back the embargo to foment human rights improvements, said he has become convinced such a move would be unwise. Cuban Americans, who generally support the embargo, are an important voting bloc in several states, including Florida.” (Jim VandeHei, “Dean Invites More Scrutiny By Switching Key Stances,” The Washington Post, 8/30/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON YUCCA MOUNTAIN

1996 Governor Dean Yucca Mountain Flip: “I am urging you to support changes in the Nuclear Waste Policy Act that would ensure that the federal government meets its responsibility to electricity consumers to begin accepting spent fuel from commercial power plants in 1998. … Opponents assert that the shipment of nuclear waste is highly unsafe, but the facts prove otherwise. Over the past 30 years, more than 2000 shipments of spent nuclear fuel have been made on the nation’s highways and railways. No shipment has ever resulted in a release of radioactivity or public harm. … I sincerely hope you will support S. 1271 to establish an integrated spent fuel management program that includes a centralized, interim storage facility, continued site characterization of the potential repository at Yucca Mountain in Nevada, and an appropriate transportation system to move spent fuel.” (Gov. Howard Dean, Letter To Sen. Patrick Leahy, 5/1/96)

2003 Candidate Dean Yucca Mountain Flop: REPORTER: “As governor, you supported a plan to store the nation’s waste at Yucca Mountain, Nev. Do you still think this is a good solution?” DEAN: “As governor of Vermont, it was a grand idea because it would get the waste out of Vermont. But now that I’m running for president, I’ve got to reassess it and see what the science looks like.” (Amanda Griscom, “Q&A: Howard Dean On The Environment,” Alternet Website, www.alternet.org, Accessed 6/4/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON DEATH PENALTY

“Opportunist” Dean Now Supports The Death Penalty In Some Cases. “Vermont liberals say Dean’s governing history suggests more of a political tactician, a strategic opportunist who will ultimately run a campaign that inspires the middle as well as the left. … Some years back, reversed his opposition to the death penalty and now supports it in some cases.” (Terry M. Neal, “Will The Real Howard Dean Please Stand Up?” Washingtonpost.com, 7/31/03)

In Disastrous ‘Meet The Press’ Appearance, Dean Admitted To Death Penalty Flip-Flop. “An appearance on ‘Meet the Press’ by Dr. Dean on Sunday, arranged by his aides as part of this announcement swing, turned into what even some Dean supporters described today as something of a debacle, highlighting many areas of attacks Dr. Dean would be subject to in a general election or a primary. … Dr. Dean also acknowledged that he had changed his position on the death penalty -- he now supports it in some cases, after once having been a strong opponent …” (Adam Nagourney, “After A Year Campaigning, Dean Officially Enters Race,” The New York Times, 6/24/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON FEDERAL MEDICAL LIABILITY REFORM

1994 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flip: DEAN: “We’ve absolutely got to have malpractice reform. Absolutely. And I think it ought to be done at the federal level. In fact, that’s -- I think all 50 governors think that.” (CNN’s “Viewers Call In With Health Care Questions,” 7/18/94)

2002 Federal Medical Liability Reform Flop: DEAN: “As a doctor, I’d love to have all kinds of malpractice reform. That is not the federal government’s business. This administration, for all its talk about states’ prerogatives and local control, doesn’t believe in it. They simply substituted conservative micromanagement for what used to be liberal micromanagement. It’s like gun control. That is a state matter, not a federal matter.” (CNN’s “Capital Gang,” 10/5/02)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON RETIREMENT AGE

1995 Governor Dean Retirement Age Flip: DEAN: “Secondly, I am very pleased to hear Bob Packwood because I absolutely agree we need to … increase the retirement age. There will be cuts and losses of some benefits, but I believe that Senator Packwood is on exactly the right track. … ” (CNN’s “Crossfire,” 2/28/95)

2003 Candidate DeanRetirement Age Flop: RUSSERT: “Would you raise retirement age to 70?” DEAN: “No. No.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 6/22/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON CREATING
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

2002 Homeland Security Flip: Asked what he thought of the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Dean said: “I don’t have a quarrel with bureaucracy. I wouldn’t do it that way, but I think everyone does their own thing. … I’m not going to attack the President for trying to create a homeland security office—it’s a reasonable thing to do.” (Ann Rostow, “Give ‘Em Hell Howard,” Texas Triangle, 9/5-10/02)

2003 Homeland Security Flop: Howard Dean “‘says the creation of a homeland security department was a mistake and that Tom Ridge is the wrong man for the job.’ In an interview with CQ Homeland Security’s Freedman, Dean said: ‘I would not have created the Department of Homeland Security.’ He added: ‘Creating a new bureaucracy is rarely the actual solution to creating efficiency.’” (“Dean Takes On Homeland Security, Tom Ridge,” The Hotline, 5/21/03)

DEAN FLIP-FLOPPED ON CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY

1995 Governor Dean Social Security Flip: “The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. ‘It would be tough but we could do it,’ he said.” (Miles Benson, “And Politicians Wonder Why They Aren’t Trusted,” Times-Picayune , 3/5/95)

2003 Candidate DeanSocial Security Flop: RUSSERT: “But you would no longer cut Social Security benefits?” DEAN: “But you don’t--no. I’m not ever going to cut Social Security benefits.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 6/22/03)

[Julien Sorel]

47. Hilarious. Your own candidate fails your test:

* Honesty and integrityand most of all authenticity. I only see it in Dean, to a certain extent (not exclusively) in Kucinich, and in Sharpton and Moseley-Braun.

You might project it onto Dean, but it ain't there in the real world.

* No goddamned pandering. I'm sick to death of it.

ROFL

* Doesn't lie about the other candidates or misrepresent their views, as Gephardt and Edwards and IMO Sharpton have done.

You have got to be kidding me??? How many lies has Dean told about other candidates? Clark was a Republican 25 days ago??? Kucinich supported the war??? There are a couple of more I can't recall off the top of my head. Dean's the biggest liar in the campaign, and it isn't even close. I jumped on the anti-Dean bandwagon because of his lying, in fact.


Doesn't leave many candidates, does it?

No, as a matter of fact, it doesn't.

[economic justice]

46. Yes

ANY Democrat running over Bush. ANY.

[rbnyc]

48. I wouldn't sign it...

...but I'd probably do it.

I wouldn't sign it because I wouldn't want to send the message that the party can just disregard my concerns. I'm pretty confident that the candidate that I wouldn't want to vote for won't win the primaries. But if he did, I would probably vote for him. There's just know way I want the party to be sure of that in advance.

[ScreamingMeemie]

49. You bet, I'd sign it in blood and back it up with my

first born...and she's a great kid.

[Catfish]

50. Yes

and I dislike Lieberman but I'd vote for him if he gets the nomination.

[Romberry]

52. Sure. ABB

Even the worst Dem would be better than Bush.

[Zero Division]

53. I'm done with irrational political perfectionism (IOW, Yes)

One can still influence society toward their highest political ideals, while realizing that refusing to vote for a candidate who will have a less negative/more positive impact toward their ideals and letting a clearly more negative candidate win is simply irrational.

It seems like many people believe that simply electing candidates who are a nearly perfect fit with their political ideas will bring about the political change they desire. IMO, this is a terribly foolish assumption. Without strong, underlying social/cultural support for one's political ideals (created by effective dissemination of ideas supporting those ideals), victory in the voting booths would be an ephemeral political/social victory (and, obviously, it is difficult to achieve victory in elections if there is no such underlying support in the first place).

I think part of the reason why individuals embrace political perfectionism is that, for many of us, our political ideals become such an integral part of our self-identity (on par with religious ideals) that the thought of supporting a candidate who deviates from one's political ideals, even when they are clearly more likely to succeed and clearly more similar in their political views, becomes akin to betraying one's self-identity.

So,to put it in less pompous-sounding and overly verbose terms: Anybody But Bush! }(

[mmonk]

54. I'd sign it

I'm really worried about our democracy (what's left).

[roughsatori]

55. I would never sign such a statement NT

[Liberal_Andy]

56. In a heartbeat!

vote with one hand, hold nose with other.

[KCDem]

57. I would if I lived in a swing state.

I live in TX, and, face it, this state ain't exactly up for grabs. So I might vote 3rd party.

[Clark Can WIN]

80. I think Clark could take Texas with Bill Richardson as VP

There is a strong Clark movement in TX and Clark is popular in the military.

Could go. Would effin ROCK!

[drfemoe]

92. I think Dean could take Texas

eom

[Cat Atomic]

58. No way.

You want a party full of Leibermans? That's what you'll get if you give up your vote for nothing but party loyalty.

You get what you demand. If all you demand is a capital D next to a guy's name, then that's literally all you'll get. If they want my vote, they can earn it.

[KAZ]

59. Yeppers. n/t

n/t

[NoPasaran]

60. Even Lieberman

That's what a Yeller Dawg looks like, folks!

[ramapo]

61. Of course.

Lieberman is at the bottom of my list but I'd vote for him. I'd vote for Nixon, even Reagan over Bush II. I might even vote for Goldwater, at least you could respect him.

Hey I voted for Lieberman in 2000 and I'd do it again without question.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

62. I would sign it in my own blood

I just got done watching a documentary about the voting irregularities (theft) in Florida in 2000 and I am newly enraged. Where do I sign?

[knight_of_the_star]

64. Gods yes!

ABB all the way!!!

[areschild]

65. If it's Lieberman, I hope I can see thru my tears

well enough to sign.

[brainshrub]

66. If Lieberman wins the nomination, I'm going Green.

Because at that I moment I would know that the Democratic Party is a group of whores.

[molly]

67. Lieberman is 100% better than Dean

who I am really having a difficult time resolving if he is REALLY one of us.

[IndianaGreen]

68. I won't support a candidate that supports the war and...

I am against the war. I want the troops in Iraq brought home ASAP. I support equal rights for all Americans, including GLBT Americans. I support a woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

I won't support any candidate that is prowar and is against GLBT and abortion rights.

[Clark Can WIN]

85. Here here,

agree with that one IG. This latest fundie assult on Americans that don't fit inside the cookie cutter.......... what the hell are they calling it?

[BiggJawn]

69. Can't do Lieberman.

Just can't bring myself to say it...I'd probably do it, but it's like riding a Japanese motorcycle. Feels good until one of your bros sees you...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

70. I'd probably vote for Lieberman

and then I'd go Green, because I'd know that the Democratic Party had completely lost its soul.

[jbm]

71. I'll sign...eom

.

[Clark Can WIN]

72. With varying degrees of joy or disdain,,,,,,,,,, still yes.

Joy in order from greatest to less: Clark, Edwards, Kerry, Gep, CMB

Disdain in order from greatest to less: Dean, Lieberman,

Apprehensive indifference: Kucinich, Sharpton


Bottom line........... still voting for them, any of them.

[Pale Blue Dot]

73. Count me in. nt

[Sting]

75. I would.

[1songbird]

76. I would sign it in a heartbeat

[Military Brat]

77. Anybody but bush, anybody but bush, anybody but bush

Even Lieberman, please God, no, no, no.

But I repeat, anybody but bush, anybody but bush ...

[Spirochete]

78. I wouldn't sign anything

But you can bet your ass that when I step into the voting booth, I'm voting to oust *, no matter who is against him.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

81. NO. Do we win if only the letter next to the name changes?

eom

[CSI Willows]

82. Umm.....

gosh............though I can't vote I will have to use a hypothetical situation. I guess I would sign it. Even if it's Lieberman.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

83. Sorry, but if Lieberman gets the nomination, the NeoCons will win...

...regardless of who actually wins the election.

[WilliamPitt]

84. Signed.

[Hippo_Tron]

86. I guess anybody but Bush means anybody but Bush, even sharpton...

So what if his whitehouse will probably just as mis-managed as Bush's and so what if the defecits will probably just as high. At least you'll get good entertainment.

[BootinUp]

87. Raises hand in the affirmative (n/t)

[doc03]

88. Can't go for Lieberman

Why on earth did Gore pick Lieberman anyway? Gore would be President
today if he didn't run with him.

[LSdemocrat]

89. I'll sign it right now.

[Ksec]

90. Id vote for a poop stain over bush

You bet.

[Kool Kitty]

91. Absolutely!

I love Clark, but I'd vote for any of the candidates. They are all worthy, and when you compare any of them to W, well, hell, there ain't no comparison!

[RichM]

93. I would NOT, & have the purest contempt for anyone who would.

These group exercises in mindless loyalty oaths are pathetic.

[1songbird]

97. No, it's called having a single minded purpose because

a house divided can not stand.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

98. What single minded purpose?

To remove someone named Bush with an (R) next to their name?
To be replaced by someone with a (D) next to their name who does nothing to change the system. Who only makes us sedate in believing we have won when nothing has changed. So the neo-cons can push more through just not being as brazen about it. So in 4 years we have lost more and moved further right under the guise of the letter (D).

No thank you sir

We have a chance for change, this administration is so far right and over-the-top that people want change. That desire will be quelled by the appearance of a difference, and then the question becomes how long before we have another chance?


TWL

[1songbird]

99. If what you said was really true then your candidate

would not be lagging so far behind in the polls. I have not said anything negative about DK because I like him. It would be nice to get a true liberal in the white house, but this country is split right down the middle and third party or not DK is not going to happen. The only thing we can do is to get a candidate that is closer to the mainstream and hope that he can pull it off. I do believe that we must get Bush out of the WH in 2004. Even Lieberman seems quite palatable compared to Dubya. Go ahead divide the house and ensure that the loss is inevitable. I'm sure Dubya will thank you.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

102. and I'm sure

that the same interests and people that thank dubya will be thanking the 'winner' with a (D). Maybe just a couple times less a year.

I am not sure you understood my point. What exactly do we win? We win a chance to be lulled into submission by the appearance of change while moving further right and losing more ground on all fronts?

TWL

[Nederland]

94. Only if I lived in a swing state

...until then, I'm voting my conscience.

[stlsaxman]

95. If I have to think twice about ANY candidate, i would abstain...

and Lieberman would make me think twice about my sacred vote.

stlsax




"Have your vote counted- VOTE ABSENTEE!"

[drfemoe]

96. no thanks

I already played that number. Real change or no change is my only choice.

[ronzo]

100. Indeed.

I'd be able to rationalize a vote for Joe. Count me in.

[LauraT28]

101. ANYONE BUT BUSH!

[rman]

107. the Bush cartel would happily replace him with another front man

and i'd come down to the same thing.

[leftofthedial]

103. I've said this all along.

I'd sign.

[dmr]

104. Yes

but if it turned out to Lieberman, I stay on his ass and watch him like a hawk throughout his one and only 4 year term.

Fortunately, I don't believe Joe will get the nomination.

[FDRrocks]

105. No...

I am a liberal... I will vote for the liberal. If Bush wins again... I am sorry the centrist party is doing so badly. And FYI I am a reggied dem.

[Gore1FL]

106. I'd sign as big as Hancock

[JNelson6563]

108. I would

I want those fascists out!

[RebelOne]

109. OK, I'll do it.

[farmbo]

110. Well, OK... I've signed....But can I still piss & moan about the DLC?

EOM

[foo_bar]

111. yes, but

"I promise to vote for whomever gets the nomination,

I'd write "Democratic" above "the nomination" first.

[bowens43]

112. Up until some Democrats started calling for a draft I would have signed.

The draft is a candidate killer for me. If the Dem candidate even hinted that he/she was in favor of reinstating the draft he/she will NOT get my vote.

[phillybri]

113. You know it!

:kick:

[sendero]

114. Not a second's hesitation....

... I would like one of my guys to win but ANY of them are light years better than the current resident.

I'm not going to waste my vote....

[Tyler Durden]

115. Immediately. AND if a person here CANNOT make a similar commitment:

Then according to the premises under which this board exists, they should not be here.

Although I do not think that any person here does not work willingly for change and progressive views, one of the purposes of this board is to promote the ELECTION of the presidential candidate of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

I repeat: if you will not do this, no matter who the candidate is, you are on the wrong board. I say this as a SOCIALIST, who, once we have (God willing) defeated George W. Bush and re-established the pre-eminence of the Democratic Party in both houses of Congress (Yes, I have an excellent imagination), will nit-pick, whine, nag and otherwise find issue with the new administration, as the chances they will share my views have similarity to a spheroid of compacted ice crystals that is a resident of the assumed place of eternal damnation taught in many major religions (snowball in Hell).

Once more: if you cannot bring yourself to vote for whoever ends up representing the Democratic Party and therefore the opponent of George W. Bush, you do not belong here. This is a WAR, Bush is the ENEMY, and when he is overthrown, THEN we can worry about details.

[Maeve]

116. I'd sign

Not that I expect to ever be put to the test of voting for Lieberman--but I voted for him as VP and I want BUSH GONE!!!!