DU's god_bush_n_cheney solves a "18181" question

[BevHarris]

We had not been able to find out what voting system was used in Comal County, Texas, where three Republican candidates in a row got 18,181 votes. I figured it wasn't Diebold, because I have a list of all their installations and Comal County wasn't on there.

When I called they got a little huffy and said they'd call me back; they didn't.

One of the researchers who has contributed to Black Box Voting information this year is DU's god_bush_n_cheney. This week, he put on his best native Texan accent (he is originally from Texas). He sweet-talked the Comal County elections official into admitting that those machines are: ES&S.

Now we know. He has persuaded a lot of people to open up and talk to him over the phone, and some have even sent some pretty hard-to-reach documents. Two people who didn't succumb to his charms were director of The Election Center R. Doug Lewis, who disconnected him when asked for a list of certified version numbers, and Diebold Election Systems President Bob Urosevich, who told him "If you don't back off, you're gonna get a visit." (!)

Anyway. Now we know: ES&S machines were the 18181 anomaly, and ES&S machines were in Baldwin County Alabama where the governor's race flipped from Democrat Don Siegelman to Republican Bob Riley when 6300 still-unaccounted for votes disappeared overnight. ES&S machines were also used in Scurry County, Texas, where a landslide was declared for a Republican that turned out to be for a Democrat.

Anyone who thinks it's time to woo informants from ES&S, please raise your hand.

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[Gore1FL]

1. "If you don't back off, you're gonna get a visit."

Can't that be consideerred a personal threat worthy of law enforcement investigation?

[BevHarris]

3. Hmm. I think I know just what to do with this.

Just occurred to me.

Bev

[SeveneightyWhoa]

4. Fill us in!

[BevHarris]

5. As Mister Miagi said to the Karate Kid: "Afta, afta."

I think he said that. Somewhere around the "wax on, wax off" bit.

Tell ya afta.

[onebigbadwulf]

2. !

[BevHarris]

6. LOL. Took me a minute.

Anyone who thinks it's time to woo informants from ES&S, please raise your hand.
:hi: :hi: :hi:

[JackSwift]

7. Yes, it is time to get informants

"you're gonna get a visit" sounds like a threat of physical violence, and that is a terrorist threat.

[dmr]

8. I'd take it that way too

because no legitimate businessman on the up and up would say that to any member of the public.

A visit from whom? Is he inferring he has goons on the payroll, or is he inferring he has the Justice Department at his disposal? Either way, he showed his hand and what he is exactly about (of course we already knew this, but that statement to gbc confirms it).

I hate these assholes.

[PaDUer]

39. You're absolutely

right..it is a threat..they're trying to tell him he better not or else. It's time to put all this into action and yell loudly..Look what they're doing to people today in Miami and they're getting away w/ it..It's worsening every minute..The people have to get up and out or we're doomed.

[jus_the_facts]

9. get 'em ya'll......

....thank ya'll so very much for all you've done!! I haven't commented on many of these threads but want you to know I'm payin' attention and appreciate all your hard work and dedication to this issue.
:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[MSchreader]

10. Both hands raised!

Let's get 'em!

Martin

[dbt]

11. KICK!

Back to the Front Page with this nasty little tidbit!

:bounce:
dbt

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. ~~~~~~Raising Hand~~~~~~

WTG.....Andy!

[DUreader]

13. 18181? Did this also occur in another state? MN or MI?

I recall it was a midwest or northern midwest state.

Anyone else remember this?

[havocmom]

14. way to go god_bush_n_cheney!

You just 'good ol' boy-ed' them up proper! Great info and yes, hands up for woo-ing informants :hi: :hi: :hi:

These titians of industry/sarcasm have got to be making enemies within their own companies. Most workers have a limit as to how much hypocrisy they can stomach. Time to get the word out that true patriots stand up to coporate bullies running coup machines in the voting booth.

And a foot raised for a kick :kick:

Thanks, Bev, and all the clever evil DUers working so hard to take America back from the junta and restore it to the people.

[absolutezero]

15. wave

:wave: how bout we take this one ot the capitol...we need to get all of the lib organizations and websites in on this

[LizW]

16. I vote on ES & S machines

Crap.:(

The Baldwin County, Alabama thing has always bugged me because, one, those are the same kind of optical scan machines I vote on, and two, because even though paper ballots are sitting right there waiting to be hand counted, the Democrats just rolled over and let the issue go.

I don't even care so much whether the election is overturned or not. But doesn't it seem as if SOMEONE should care WHY the machines screwed up? The initial indication that something was wrong was when the tally showed some 7000 votes in Baldwin County for the Libertarian candidate. The election officials knew right away that was wrong, so they ran the ballots through again, and got different totals. These were the numbers released to the press which showed Siegelman (D) ahead, and set the Republicans off screaming.

During the wee hours of the morning, a third count was allegedly done. No one knows the particulars of this count, because it was done after the observers had gone home. It was not a hand count, because Baldwin is a big county, and there wasn't time. Did they run the ballots through the machines again, and get yet a third different number? Don't know, but if they did, shouldn't someone be asking why three different scans got three widely differing vote totals? Or, did they not re-scan the ballots, but just re-tabulate the totals from the individual machines, also getting different totals? Wouldn't you think election officials would want to know why and how that happened?

They didn't. Neither did the Democrats. There was a lot of time spent yelling about the vote count that was done after observers left, but there was very little in the news about the very real problem this event raised. Practically the entire state of Alabama votes on these machines and election officals blithely "explained" the problem by saying there was a "glitch in the software". Excuse me? If a "glitch" in Baldwin County can shift almost 7000 votes around TWICE, and no one bothers to find out why, how can I know my vote in Jefferson County got counted?

As far as I can tell, no one in Alabama cares.

[dusty64]

21. Didn't a rethug

official also REFUSE to allow a recount and threatened arrests if one was done? How can THAT be legal?

[LizW]

31. Yep.

The sheriff of Baldwin County, I believe. Promised to protect the "integrity" of the ballots.

Also, the Alabama Attorney General (Pryor) quickly delivered an opinion that the sealed ballot boxes could not be opened and recounted by hand. It was a good day's work for him. He was quickly rewarded by Bush* with a nomination to a federal judgeship.

[Liberal_Andy]

17. Go get 'em, Bev!!

WTG god_dick_n_bush!!!

[dusty64]

18. Election officials

as helpful as always. The "gonna get a visit" comment is VERY interesting, WHOTF do they think they are. es&s is even scarier than diebold IMO, their deep ties to the "christian reconstructionist" movement is pure evil and extremely disturbing. My hand is raised as high up as it will go!

[dusty64]

19. Election officials

as helpful as always. The "gonna get a visit" comment is VERY interesting, WHOTF do they think they are. es&s is even scarier than diebold IMO, their deep ties to the "christian reconstructionist" movement is pure evil and extremely disturbing. My hand is raised as high up as it will go!

[Octafish]

20. Way to go, GBnC!

Keep up the good work. You are a charmer.

To that turd Bob Urosevich: You shouldn't make threats like that. Some may think you're part of an organized crime family. You sound like you are.

[Castilleja]

22. hand up

:hi: :hi: Kick!

[ParanoidPat]

23. Two hands up!

:hi: :hi: Way to go Andy! (You did get that on tape I hope. :evilgrin: )

:kick:

[Andy_Stephenson]

28. Well ummmm

:)

[never cry wolf]

24. Back to the front page!!!

:hi: :kick:

[donsu]

25. kicked with a raised hand

nt

[RandomKoolzip]

26. I second that raised hand KICK!

Go get 'em!

[Andy_Stephenson]

27. All those in favor

say aye....


AYE!

[hunter]

29. Wooooo!

By the way, I'm certain Diebold Election Systems President Bob Urosevich meant those words in a good way. He wants a thorough and independent investigation of his company, and these strong words were his promise to send flowers, and even offers of employment, to investigators who refuse to "back off."

Right?

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. Yes thats it...

Flowers and candy...laced with arsenic.

[greatauntoftriplets]

32. Woo hooo!!!!

And sweeet talk from that Texas accent can be very persuasive.

[loudsue]

33. <Raising hand> GBNC....I got paid! Please post your web site

for those of us sending $$$$$!!!!

:hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi::hi:
O8)Praying for protection for our talented, courageous BBV sleuths and Secretaries-of-States-to-be!O8)

[Andy_Stephenson]

35. Here ya go

https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=[e-mail]


www.andystephenson.com

[loudsue]

40. I just sent it!

:shrug:Sorry it couldn't be more....I was unemployed for 19 months after 9/11, and I'm still digging out of the hole!

:hi:But I wanted to support your campaign in some way....other than cheerleading, of course!

O8)Great good luck!!:pals:

And a big ole kickity :kick: back to the top!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[Andy_Stephenson]

41. God Bless you!

Your Support means a lot to me...More than I can say!

[Ripley]

34. Damn!!! I knew there was something wrong with that vote

in Alabama. I think I'll call a local reporter to investigate that. Thanks for all your hard work guys and gals! :hi:

[Q]

36. "If you don't back off, you're gonna get a visit."

- This is a bit more than a veiled threat...it's an outright threat. Please don't underestimate these guys. They have a lot to hide and they'll do anything to keep it hidden. Tampering with votes is a very serious crime...and they know it.

- Good work. The Founders would be proud of your work for Democracy.

[Andy_Stephenson]

38. I did ask him who I was gonna get a visit from...

Santa or the easter bunny.

He was not amused. Personally I thought it was a great comeback.

[BevHarris]

47. Maybe he meant the tooth fairy?

Maybe she wants to leave a quarter under your pillow as a campaign contribution.

Bev Harris
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

[Galley_Queen]

37. Kick

:kick:

[Bolo Boffin]

42. Go get 'em, Bev!

:hi:

[Andy_Stephenson]

43. One last kick and then

I am off to give em hell!

[loudsue]

44. And one more...

:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:

Well, maybe six more....

[Andy_Stephenson]

46. God Love ya!

cause I sure do!

[BloodyWilliam]

45. Putting in a kick and a hand too

[giantrobot_2000]

48. Go git 'em!

I have been an admirer of your work for some time and am pleasantly surprised to see you post here! You are a hero to MANY people so keep up the good work!

Sic 'em Bev! YOU are democracy in action! I raise my hand!

[juajen]

49. All hands raised!!

Go get em.

:kick: :kick:

[Name removed]

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[harmonyguy]

51. Texas Address

...that's 'cuz switchboard.com has them listed as
Diebold Electron Systems
1611 Wilmeth Rd
Mc Kinney, TX 75069-8250
Phone: [phone]
My guess is that whomsoever prepared the database that switchboard used, did it with a scanner and a telephone book, from which they captured existing data.

Electron vs Election
... is a classic example of a common failure in scanning/character-recognition systems. (which happens to be my area of expertise)

In this case the answer 'Electron' is quite valid, but it is not as the originator intended. Without proper validation against the paper original, the result is wrong.

Hmmm.....why does this so like a familiar theme?
HG

[BevHarris]

53. Won't post it, but home address was on the DIEBOLD FTP SITE

Along with the personal information on Mr. Urosevich's wife and daughter and 310,000 other Texans.

"We protect the Hope Diamond. We protect the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. And now, we protect your vote."

From the company that left 40,000 files on the web, including personal information on 310,000 people from Collins County Texas, and the proprietary source code for Microsoft Windows CE.

Please don't protect me your way, Diebold.

[blm]

52. Charming devil....

he charmed me into taking my.......heheheheh.

Good job, patriot.
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