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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:51 PM
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Why did Bush I Not Stop Bush II from starting this stupid war.
I remember people lamenting back in Gulf War I "why we didn't go all the way and get Saddam" then. Bush I thought better of it because he knew that it would inflame the whole Arab world.

Why did senior allow his son to do what he knew better than to do?
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Catfish Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 12:58 PM
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1. I think he tried to some extent
Didn't he send out his buddies like Scowcroft to caution against the war? I think Jr. is sensitive to being Daddy's boy and Sr. wouldn't say it to his face.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:00 PM
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2. He clearly tried to
Bush I had his henchmen write about a dozen op-ed pieces in the NYT. Unfortunately, Smirky doesn't read the papers (he has admitted this) and his "advisers" apparently have deleted those messages as being "unhelpful" to the PNAC agenda, so no one ever told him.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:23 PM
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9. Why couldn't he just call his son?
There's something really dysfunctional about that family.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:01 PM
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3. The neocons were laughed at in Sr.'s administration...
Well, Cheney was his Sec. of Defense, but I believe most of the other Neos like Wolfy and Rummy and Perle were referred to in derogatory ways...

I remember reading this somewhere. They were called "nutjobs" or something equally derisive because of their completely ludicrous visions of empire....

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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:15 PM
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5. Right, I read somewhere that they were called "the crazies"
and I also read in Harper's that Cheney wrote up a defense plan during the first administration that had most of the PNAC elements in it and Bush Sr. rejected it. Then Rumsfeld rewrote it for Bush Jr. and he obviously ate it all up.

He must not be listening to Bush Sr. I think a lot of people guessed from the start that he would go off on his own and do something stupid to prove that he was a big man to his father.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:02 PM
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14. You know you've got it bad
When Bush I thinks you are "crazy."
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:04 PM
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4. Makes Bush I's one term presidency look good?
nt
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Socialist Christian Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:16 PM
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6. Rice,Powell,Wolfowits,Cheaney had a hard on for saddam since 91
they all sent letters to clinton reccomend he invade, but he was um whats the word, uh, em, Smart.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:20 PM
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7. Reverse psychology? Or maybe
teenage rebellion (a la Henry Hyde, I think, who had a "youthful indiscretion" when he was older than Clinton at impeachment, fathering a "youthful indiscretion" of his own).
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:23 PM
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8. Mother Bush
wielded her influence in convincing Papa Bush that idiot son was ordained by the Lord to lead his people on a crusade against the evil forces of the antichrist heathens.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:25 PM
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10. Two words: Oedipus Complex. eom
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:33 PM
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11. Oh come on now, Poppy is as evil if not more than Jr. He and
Carlyle made a ton of money off this war, they didn't take out Saddam back then because they didn't want to tick off Saudi Arabia and it is always good to have a boogeyman you can pull out of your ass when you need one.
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knowledgeispower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:06 PM
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17. I agree
Bush I is quite a powerful man and I believe he is the guy that pulls all the strings for the BFEE. Why he didn't invade in '91 is an elusive question, but I believe it comes down to the sanctions. Iraq would have put up a much better fight back in '91 before they had been decimated by a decade of sanctions. Also, I think Bush I was hoping the country would collapse from within (part of the reasoning behind the sanctions), and then when it became evident that was not going to happen anytime soon he told Shrub to invade.
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1songbird Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:45 PM
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12. Because of Bush I's association with the Carlyle Group
Big money for papa was worth the risk.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:59 PM
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13. DUDE! Who the fork do you think is RUNNING THIS version of the bush
regime?

Bush #1 is the one in charge here, aided by Cheney, Rumsfeld and lil shrublet, in that order.

He's ALWAYS been in charge, since before nixon. In fact his henchmen set up Nixon's fall. Reagan was his stepping stone into office, he ran that admin too.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:03 PM
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15. Rad gets a cookie !!
You nailed it, bud !! :toast:

GHWBush is the Anti-Christ incarnate and has been working on this world domination shit both behind the scenes & in direct control for about 40 years now.



:hippie:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:05 PM
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16. Money
The Carlyle Group is making record setting sales from this war.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:08 PM
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18. Who benefits?
The Bush Crime Family

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:10 PM
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19. Because Poppy's Second Term,
aka Junior's First Term, is all about getting the most money possible into the hands of the fewest BFEE benefactors possible. This is a War For Profit and nothing more. Every "justification" for the attack on Iraq has been peoven a lie. What's left is the profit motive.

Poppy didn't "get Saddam" the first time because Chee-knee and his boys needed another decade or so to profit from trading with Iraq.

This all comes under the heading of Follow The Money.

:grr:
dbt
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