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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 01:22 PM
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Foreign investment shrivels
Investors Flee US Treasuries -
$50bn Down To $4.2bn
Dollar Hits Record Low Against Euro

link: http://rense.com/general44/dollar.htm

<< The dollar fell to a record low against the euro yesterday as data showing sharply weaker capital flows prompted news fears over the funding of the US current account deficit.

Treasury figures showed net capital inflows into the US fell from $50bn in August to $4.2bn in September, the lowest since the near collapse and bailout of the Long Term Capital Management hedge fund rattled markets in 1998. >>


Please overlook the sensationalistic source - it's just quoting the Financial Times of London. How can those pesky foreigners not see that we've turned the corner economically ? Aren't they worried about missing out on our prosperity ? Or are $400 billion deficits and the prospect of national mobilization confusing them somehow...
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ex_jew Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:33 PM
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1. Kick - only the most important thing going on now
Thought you'd like to know...
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:34 PM
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7. Any idea where the missing 45.8bn is going?
If countries are not buying into the U.S. where are they putting their investment monies. They come here for stability.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:42 PM
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2. Is a day of fiscal reckoning nearing? Will interest rates
explode in the wake of unparalleled fiscal irresponsibility? Will our nation really be stronger with fiscal and tax policies resembling that of a third-world banana republic?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:55 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this
I read a week or two back that it's not just securities sales - it's also foreign direct investment.

If I remember correctly, it went from somewhere around $250 billion in 2000 to (approx) $45 billion year-to-date in 2003.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 02:58 PM
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4. Yup, this could and probably will be truly devastating
To the US economy...
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:03 PM
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5. What I warned about
in a previous thread.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:16 PM
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6. I'd like to make an important counter-point, here. While it is indeed
possible that the US will finally "get what's coming to it" in terms of a dollar meltdown, higher interest rates, & financial market collapse, there are still strong forces working against that outcome.

To wit: "international investors" cannot be understood as merely a bunch of foreigners who are getting angry at the US for all its sins. The big investors in US Treasuries are the central banks of Japan & China, and there are huge investors in all the developed countries as well. These people have a big stake in the relative stability of world capitalism, and if the US economy (or dollar) collapses, it is dangerous for ALL of them. They already hold a lot of Treasuries -- so if the dollar collapses, they get hurt. Plus, if the US goes down, the global economy goes down. Therefore, even if these people agree that the dollar is overvalued, and would like to sell some of their holdings, they will not act in such a way as to promote a panicky flight from the dollar.

These people are content with the status quo, & will oppose any action that might destabilize it. That said -- the dollar is still very overvalued, so it might tank anyway. But no one should think it's going to be a slam-dunk, or that it will necessarily happen anytime soon.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 03:38 PM
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8. The Bell tolls
I believe we're in an economic proxy war, with the EU(old Europe). And we're losing.

Say you're a foreign investor- dateline new years 2002/2003 If you had pulled out of dollers and put your funds into Euros you'd be sitting mighty pretty right about now.

Greenspan gave some warning:
INSIGHTS

A few days ago, on December 19, Alan Greenspan mentioned gold in a speech before the Economic Club of New York. His comments portrayed gold in a light from which our nation’s politicians have shied for over a generation. He began his speech by stating that, "Although the gold standard could hardly be portrayed as having produced a period of price tranquility, it was the case that the price level in 1929 was not much different, on net, from that of 1800. But in the two decades following the abandonment of the gold standard in 1933, the Consumer Price Index in the United States was doubled. And, in the four decades after that, prices quadrupled. Monetary policy, unleashed from the constraint of domestic gold convertibility, had allowed a persistent over-issuance of money".

Greenspan continued by stating that, "But the adverse consequences of excessive money growth for financial stability and economic performance provoked a backlash. Central banks were finally pressed to rein in over-issuance of money even at the cost of considerable economic disruption. By 1979, the need for drastic measures had become painfully evident in the United States. The Federal Reserve under the leadership of Paul Volcker with the support of both the Carter and Reagan Administrations, dramatically slowed the growth of money. Initially, the economy fell into recession and inflation receded. However, most important, when activity staged a vigorous recovery, the progress made in reducing inflation was largely preserved. By the end of the 1980's, the inflation climate was being altered dramatically".

This was the first public statement form a high U.S. political official in decades, that recognizes the importance of gold as a stabilizing force for a monetary system. The fact that Greenspan opened his speech with these words indicates the magnitude of importance that he placed upon the world hearing these words. He chose to begin his comments with this topic. He could have buried it within the text knowing that most people would have been confused, glazed over, and dazzled by his rhetoric by the time that he uttered the statement. He wanted people to hear him!-snip

-snip-This is a watershed event! Is Greenspan preparing us for an eventual reentry of gold into our monetary system? He is un-hedged in his comparison between 1800 and 1929 and the 60 years that followed. Under the gold standard prices were stable for 129 years, but rose eight-fold in the 6 decades after the discipline of gold was removed and the gold standard was abandoned. His later statement regarding the effects of the institution of monetary restraint after 1979 is also telling. His comments pertaining to the result that occurred, after the money growth slowed and the initial recession ended and the economy staged a vigorous recovery lead me to believe that he is tacitly recommending this action!-snip-


I think this event marked the exodus from the doller for investment purposes, at least among big monied foreigners, whom have taken Greenspan's advice and bought either gold or Euro's.
look at all the foreign entities who've announced the switch to backing the Euro as of late!

at the time of this gold was around $330/oz....

you'd be sitting pretty had you gone that route as well.

Of course all this would be for personal gain , and drives a stake right through our economic heart.
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