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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:58 PM
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I'm currently reading "Angels and Demons" by Dan Brown . . .
author of The DaVinci Code . . . I ran across the following passage tonight, and thought I'd pass it along to see if anyone would like to comment on it . . . it's spoken by the Pope's chamberlain in response to a rather nasty set of events taking place at the Vatican (I won't be a spoiler) . . . anyhow, see what you think . . .

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“Science, you day, will save us. Science, I say, has destroyed us. Since the days of Galileo, the church has tried to slow the relentless march of science, sometimes with misguided means, but always with benevolent intention. Even so, the temptations are too great for man to resist. I warn you, look around yourselves. The promises of science have not been kept. Promises of efficiency and simplicity have bred nothing but pollution and chaos. We are a fractured and frantic species . . . moving down a path of destruction.”

“Who is this God science? Who is the God who offers his people power but not moral framework to tell you how to use that power? What kind of God gives a child fire but does not warn the child of its dangers? The language of science comes with no signposts about good and bad. Science textbooks tell us how to create a nuclear reaction, and yet they contain no chapter asking us if it is a good or a bad idea.

“To science I say this. The church is tired. We are exhausted from trying to be your signposts. Our resources are drying up from our campaign to be the voice of balance as you plow blindly on in your quest for smaller chips and larger profits. We ask not why you will not govern yourselves, but how can you? Your world moves so fast that if you stop even for an instant to consider the implications of your actions, someone more efficient will ship past you in a blur. So you move on. You proliferate weapons of mass destruction, but it is the Pope who travels the world beseeching leaders to use restraint. You clone living creatures, but it is the church reminding us to consider the moral implications of our actions. You encourage people to interact on phones, video screens, and computers, but it is the church who opens its doors and reminds us to commune in person as we were meant to do. You even murder unborn babies in the name of research that will save lives. Again, it is the church who points out the fallacy of this reasoning.

“And all the while, you proclaim the church is ignorant. But who is more ignorant? The man who cannot define lightning, or the man who does not respect its awesome power? This church is reaching out to you. Reaching out to everyone. And yet the more we reach, the more you push us away. Show me proof there is a God, you say. I say use your telescopes to look to the heavens, and tell me how there could not be a God. You ask what does God look like. I say, where did that question come from? The answers are one and the same. Do you not see God in your science? How can you miss Him! You proclaim that even the slightest change in the force of gravity or the weight of an atom would have rendered our universe a lifeless mist rather than our magnificent sea of heavenly bodies, and yet you fail to see God’s hand in this? Is it really so much easier to believe that we simply chose the right card from a deck of billions? Have we become so spiritually bankrupt that we would rather believe in mathematical impossibility that in a power greater than us?

“Whether or not you believe in God, you must believe this. When we as a species abandon our trust in the power greater than us, we abandon our sense of accountability. Faith . . . all faiths . . . are admonitions that there is something we cannot understand, something to which we are accountable. With faith we are accountable to each other, to ourselves, and to a higher truth. Religion is flawed, but only because man is flawed. If the outside could see the church as I do . . . looking beyond the ritual of these walls . . . they would see a modern miracle . . . a brotherhood of imperfect, simple souls wanting only to be the voice of compassion in a world spinning out of control.

"Are we obsolete? Are these men dinosaurs? Am I? Does the world really need a voice for the poor, the weak, the oppressed, the unborn child? Do we really need souls like these who, though imperfect, spend their lives imploring each of us to read the signposts of morality and not lose our way?

“Tonight we are perched on a precipice. None of us can afford to be apathetic. Whether you see this evil as Satan, corruption, or immorality . . . the dark force is alive and growing every day. Do not ignore it. The force, though mighty, is not invincible. Goodness can prevail. Listen to your hearts. Listen to God. Together we can step back from the abyss.”

from Angels and Demons by Dan Brown. New York: Atria Books, 2000
(a few connectives removed to improve readability ourside the context of the story)
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-20-03 11:59 PM
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1. I really liked that book - read it before DaVinci Code
Fast-paced and interesting. I like Dan Brown's stuff - he always makes me want to seek out more info afterward.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 02:02 AM
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2. guess no one's interested in discussing the age-old tension . . .
between science and religion . . . too bad . . . it has a lot to do with what's happening in the world today, imo . . .both seek the truth, but from different avenues . . . assuming that something is true or it isn't, eventually they should both come to the same conclusions, no? . . . might take a century or three, but . . .
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 03:02 AM
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Edited on Fri Nov-21-03 03:20 AM by Jen6
very interesting topic, one I actually spend a good bit of time thinking about since my once atheist and very well educated mother became a Christian fundementalist. Maybe this thread would get more attention in the lounge?
Anyway-I'll pull it up tomorrow after I've thought a little more about it.It's 3am here and I'm turning in for the night. Hopefully a West Coaster out there will have something to say that will get things rolling....?

Perhaps we could start with this; does humanity need religon to give him/her a moral compass? Don't non-human species act morally? (There are about ten raccoons on my deck right now. Two babies are stealing food from a large male-but the male doesn't lash out at them-why?) Are any of us "born" to act "morally" Or is it taught? I believe that killing our fellow humans is no more natural to us than than it would be for that big raccoon. Doesn't the military need to "de-sensitize" soldiers to turn them into killers? Perhaps rampant greed is also a learned behavior that would not otherwise come naturally? The Native Americans were baffled by the White mans greed when they first came into contact with them. People in remote areas of Napal have TV reception for the first time in their lives, and their culture is very rapidly becoming materialistic and violent. Has our technology itself caused this shift, or is it just part of our cultural (de)evolution?
Myself-I do think technology has had a dehumanizing effect on us all-but I'll save that for tomorrow.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-21-03 12:42 PM
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4. kick
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