Born-again Christians have higher divorce rate than the non-religious?

[NicoleM]

This comes from Focus on the Family so I'm willing to believe it:

"The divorce rate is actually higher by a small margin among born-again Christians than for those who profess no faith at all." --James Dobson

If they're so worried about the "sanctity of marriage," shouldn't they start with themselves? Doesn't a 50% divorce rate do more damage to the institution of marriage than gay marriage possibly could?

Maybe their "sanctity of marriage" argument is a cover for their real problem:

"The traditional family is the most effective instrument ever designed to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. The vast majority of believers come to Christ when they are children, under the influence of their parents. If that institution breaks down, however, the faith of generations to come will be in jeopardy. . .It comes down to this indisputable fact: The family is critical to the propagation of the faith." --Dobson

[La_Serpiente]

1. Isn't that a conservative organization?

[NicoleM]

2. Yes.

That's why I believe it.

Edit--not because they're a conservative organization but because I don't see why a conservative Christian organization would say that if it weren't true--it doesn't make them look very good.

[JI7]

3. yes it is

VERY conservative. in fact right wing.

[Richardo]

4. This was the first thing I thought of when I heard the "sanctity" argument

1) "I wonder how many of those people are divorced?"
2) "How does THAT conform to the idea of the 'sanctity of marriage'?"
3) "Perhaps they should get their own houses in order before they cast stones."

...and like that.

[Liberal Veteran]

7. What's really interesting is what Jesus said about divorce.....

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

So any remarriage after a divorce that did not involve your partner cheating on you is an adulterous relationship.

But most modern day Christian just ignore that part of the bible, since it was just the words of Christ and they aren't considered important.

[ComerPerro]

23. Isn't it amazing

how Bible-beating ultra-rightwing assholes, who are supposedly Christian, use the Bible to justify every hateful and selfish bit of excrement that comes out of their mouths, and to justify every horrible action they do, but then when a passage inconviences them they just ignore it?

[Solomon]

28. The irony is they especially ignore it when its Jesus that's talking.

Christians follow Paul, not Jesus, but you can't tell them this.

The worse thing I've seen them do is use Jesus to justify war. The pastor at my parent's church gave a sermon about why it was right to invade Iraq. He said that "Jesus said there would be wars and rumors of wars" therefore, God is a god of war as well as peace.

Go figure.

[CO Liberal]

31. And Instead They Home In On Leviticus 19

Using the Bible to help them bash gays.

[amazona]

48. they think if you even talk to another guy, its adultery

They are just irrational. If you work, or your co-worker is a man, or your friend is a man, or your brother is a man...trust me...they get delusional and can easily convince themselves that you're an adulterous woman. Therefore they have no problem getting divorce. They truly believe no woman would stand up for herself as a person without a man behind her that she is sleeping with. They might follow the lawyer's advice and put whatever is convenient on the divorce paperwork but they totally believe that they are justified in remarrying because they're convinced the ex-wife must be a whore if she didn't follow him into the born-again hysteria.

I'm talking extremist born-agains -- the fundies. It's like you don't even want to call yourself born-again if you are a Methodist or a Prebyterian or some other kind of decent Christian -- the extremist weirdos have hijacked the entire vocabulary.

[Az]

5. Whatever you do, don't look up prison stats

Even though nontheists make up between 10%-18% of the US population they only make up less than 1% of the US prison population.

Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%
Muslim 5435 7.273%
American Indian 2408 3.222%
Nation 1734 2.320%
Rasta 1485 1.987%
Jewish 1325 1.773%
Church of Christ 1303 1.744%
Pentecostal 1093 1.463%
Moorish 1066 1.426%
Buddhist 882 1.180%
Jehovah Witness 665 0.890%
Adventist 621 0.831%
Orthodox 375 0.502%
Mormon 298 0.399%
Scientology 190 0.254%
Atheist 156 0.209%
Hindu 119 0.159%
Santeria 117 0.157%
Sikh 14 0.019%
Bahai 9 0.012%
Krishna 7 0.009%

[Richardo]

16. What are these stats? Totals look way too low.

There are more people in prison in Texas alone (160,000+ in 1999) than are shown here.

Total US prison population is over 2 million.

AND WHO'S LOCKING UP THE CATHOLICS? :scared: :D

[Az]

20. Source

Its just a sampling provided by this site http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

[amazona]

50. maybe the sample is from Louisiana

Hence the high numbers of Catholic, low numbers of Mormons, and such.

[pansypoo53219]

21. the morman # looks low

there are #s of child molestors and bigamists that should be looked up.

[jody]

6. Paul wrote "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers".

:hi:

[Malva Zebrina]

8. Most likely it is even more than that

Barna research is where Dobsen probably goes for information but it was Barna that came out with these facts according to this site.

There is no reason really to be shocked--atheists and agnostics are not demons who are the l owest on the scale of morality. That is what most religions would like the flock to believe--most all religions demonize atheists --



Are atheists immoral, showing no regard for family values? Hardly. There is not a shred of evidence to support this widespread fundamentalist lie, and in fact, there is considerable evidence to show that it is the fundamentalists who should be taken to task for their deficient morality. Are atheists responsible for the rise in divorce rates or youth crime? Hardly; atheists divorce less than Christians do (particularly the "born-again" fundamentalists, whose divorce rate was shown to be nearly 30% higher than that of atheists in the Barna study), and atheist youths are no more likely to commit crime than Christian youths. Fundamentalist arrogance is frankly incredible; how could any group with such a history (not to mention a continuing insistence that their customs outweigh the sanctity of human life) point fingers at others for immorality? I applaud Christians who are enlightened enough to break away from the Crusade mentality, but the fundamentalists who would perpetuate it are just as evil as the crusaders and inquisitioners of centuries past. In either case, they have no conceivable justification for moral condemnation of secular humanism. If anything, secular humanism is directly responsible for virtually all of the societal improvements that have occurred since the end of the church-run Dark Ages.


http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationism/Morality/Conclusion.shtml

I have not been to the Barna page in a long time--it used to be that Barna was a brutally honest poll/study service, servicing mostly churches and ministers needing to know this information. Barna did not mince any words llast time I read it. It is now a little more Christian glitzy--I am not a statistician or anything like that, but it seems to me the most recent study listed on their page is very poor and seems to play to Christians, such as Dobsen, who want to use Barna for propaganda uses.

http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/home.asp

[Ellen Forradalom]

11. As far as I know Barna's reputation is still intact

eom

[Malva Zebrina]

14. I am not saying it is not

I am saying that I notice a difference from what it was two years ago.

[Jacobin]

9. Forming a new group: "Atheists for the Sanctity of Marriage"

Those bornagains have no respect for the sanctity of marriage.

Hypocrites in action.

These guys just never let up.

[Malva Zebrina]

13. you can always be a "Bright"

Are You a Bright?

(Check out the noun bright)
Think about your own worldview to decide if it is indeed free of supernatural or mystical deities, forces, and entities. Check the wording in the definition and description (above). If you would like more information on the important terms used in the definition, you can go to the FAQs.

http://www.the-brights.net/

[Blue_Chill]

15. "Bright" is just another example of atheist superiority complex

Call yourselves that at your own risk.

[Jacobin]

17. I have no problem with mysticism at all

It's part of the human defense mechanism that arose from being perhaps the only creatures on earth who can visualize and have conscience knowledge of their impending demise.

I enjoy the antics of all mystics. It's entertaining and often full of important art, music, etc.

I just don't want these bufoons running the government. That's all.

[Blue_Chill]

19. That's funny, I never said anything about that

but I did mention that something about superiority complex....and here you come along and flaunt it.

lol.

[Malva Zebrina]

25. mysticism has an appeal--especially to poets

I don't think though that the person who contemplates his demise, necessarily needs to substitute an imaginary place to go to after he/she dies. Contemplating one's demise without trying desperately to stem the horrible, horrible fear that after one's demise they will be (a) "nothing" is what leads to the fairy tale place of shangri la or heaven or even hell. Admitting to that fear often removes the need to invent a life after death--and actually enables one to live a far freer life.

[Malva Zebrina]

26. sounds a lttle petulant

I don't know what a "superiority complex" is. Do you?

[sendero]

39. it something...

... that almost everyone has but the really clever ones can hide it :)

[msmcghee]

30. Being upset about the term "Brights" for atheists . .

. . and secular humanists is just an example of the Christian inferiority complex. Perhaps "dull, biggoted Christian haters" would appeal to you more.

[bloom]

40. I think that I see both sides of the coin

and I don't think "brights" sound like such a bright idea for a 'group' term, either.

Why not have new word without superior sounding connotations?

It's possible someone could have useful observation and NOT be a bigot.

[Blue_Chill]

42. So when you are insulted.....

...by an insult you have a inferiority complex? ha, that's rich!

Sorry but the term is no different then that any other supremecy group. Clearly it is meant to cast those under it's banner as being somehow better then others.

[msmcghee]

46. I am not trying to anger you . .

. . but this is a relevant discussion - if you step a back a little bit and look at what is happening here.

Christians have attempted to marginalize atheists by calling them pagans, heathens and by making the term atheist itself an epithet - to some extent. Can you imagine anyone calling themselves an atheist and running for political office - above the level of dog catcher - and expecting to win?

Yet when atheists try to come up with a more positive term - you ridicule them for having pretensions of superiority - of all things. The word bright itself does not refer solely to intelligence - although a mental approach that includes scientific evidence as a precondition for acceptance of ideas certainly wouldn't be misleading anyone with that term. But it also means a positive outlook, a happy disposition and confidence in the future - for it's members.

Your objection sounds suspiciously similar to the kind of offense that white supremacists still take when "blacks" prefer that label to negroes.

But what could possibly be more pretensious than telling others that you are God's chosen, that you will spend eternity in heaven and we will suffer the everlasting flames of hell - and, the only one that really bothers me, that the very idea of morality derives from belief in your God, and that I, therefore, could not possibly be a moral person.

Please, allow people to identify and label themselves with whatever logos they find appropriate - and I'll take no offense at your pretensions.

[Blue_Chill]

51. response

Christians have attempted to marginalize atheists by calling them pagans, heathens and by making the term atheist itself an epithet - to some extent.

I am a Catholic and the most outspoken of christians on DU. I do not see atheist as having any negative stigma at all. In fact I see it as no different then Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc etc. It is a phrase that descirbes belief system or lack of there of.

Now to those that DO NOT LIKE atheists, yes atheist is a bad word of sorts. Much like Christian is a negative term to DU's rich population of anti-theists.

Can you imagine anyone calling themselves an atheist and running for political office - above the level of dog catcher - and expecting to win?

Yes I can. People asked the same question in Chile, which BTW is mostly Catholic, and were surprised when a atheist president was elected.

You see when you do dumbass polls like "would you vote for an atheist" you prove nothing. In the end people care more about issues then religion. If you asked "If a politician that stood for your beliefs that happened to be atheist, and a christian that stood for many things you were against ran for Pres who would you vote for?" you would get much different results.

Yet when atheists try to come up with a more positive term - you ridicule them for having pretensions of superiority - of all things.

The term isn't positive if it implies the inferiority of others.

The word bright itself does not refer solely to intelligence - although a mental approach that includes scientific evidence as a precondition for acceptance of ideas certainly wouldn't be misleading anyone with that term.

And here is a display of "I am better then you" syndrome yet again.

But what could possibly be more pretensious than telling others that you are God's chosen, that you will spend eternity in heaven and we will suffer the everlasting flames of hell - and, the only one that really bothers me, that the very idea of morality derives from belief in your God, and that I, therefore, could not possibly be a moral person.

First being christian does not make you gods chosen. Whoever told you that is an idiot. Second, no one knows who is going to heaven or hell, if they say otherwise they are ignoring Jesus' "least of thee" speech. Third "morality" started long before modern religion, it's little more then rules that keep you out of trouble if followed but also tend to be damn near impossible to obey all of the time.

Please, allow people to identify and label themselves with whatever logos they find appropriate - and I'll take no offense at your pretensions.

No.

[msmcghee]

57. I knew this would go nowhere.

The arguments that you pose above are all the "politically correct" versions of Christianity. They are not the versions expounded by Jerry Fallwell - and the Christian Right - whose money and efforts put the current Republican adminstration in the whitehouse - and whose beliefs that administration is currently inserting into our laws.

I wish you no ill will. Just that you might allow a little "live and let live" into your outlook.

Unfortunately "God" is more than a myth or an idea - God is a very strong, jealous meme. Once you are infected you will see any "otherness" as an attack on your meme - hence your belief that calling themselves "brights" is claiming superiority - and you will need to attack them back or else feel that your "God" belief is threatened.

I know you can not possibly see your belief system through that window. Just try to understand that there are an infinite number of windows through which anything can be seen. Probably none of them will show a complete picture - and probably every one of them has some truth to it.

Peace.

[Blue_Chill]

60. Wow you really can't see fault in yourself or those like you

and you call God a "jealous meme" lol.

I don't see the term "bright" as an insult to God. Nor would I care if it was being that you can take that up with him/her/it when the time comes.

I see it as an insult to me, because it implies that YOU are better then ME, for no reason other then your belief that no belief is the right way to be. It's absolutely no different then Falwell feeling superior to Muslims because he is (in his mind) Christian and that he feels is the right way to be and thus all others are wrong.

But I've noticed for a long time that much like Falwell is convinced that he is right and all other are inferior, many "brights" are the exact same way. Perhaps the universe is balancing the religious equation, and as a result has created a wonderful example of of irony on our happy blue planet.

[Don Claybrook]

55. You're wearing your feelings on your sleeve

I like to think of myself as a spiritual person, but it's a deeply personal thing to me, as it doesn't conform to anyone else's definition of religion.

However, I'm comfortable enough with my spirituality that no amount of talk or berating of religion will hurt my feelings. Aside from the fact that I often agree with the points being made against religion, if someone says something that goes directly counter to my belief system, I don't get all wigged out about it. It's just someone else's opinion, and it's fine for them to have it. The stuff is all undefinable, that's the nature of the beast with transcendence, and so it's all very subjective. Just don't subject yourself to someone else's subjectivity.

Find your center, your immovable spot. Once you get that, no one can move you off the damned thing. Relax.

[Blue_Chill]

56. Sounds nice but the results of you passive behavior are horrible

I used to be exactly like you, I don't have conventional beleifs and I used to be happy to sit and watch the fools fight it out. Then one day I noticed what was happening to the faiths that most closely resmeble my own. I noticed that the voices that went unopposed had redefined the perception of religion. They made everything seem extreme and hate filled.

I can't allow that any longer. I will not allow anti-theists or religious extremeists to go unchallenged.

[Don Claybrook]

58. Well, I'll now need to give you a living example...

...of what I was talking about, by saying, 'OK, whatever floats your boat'.

It just seems to me that you're fighting against something that's unwinnable, namely, subjectivity. No one will ever completely agree with your spiritual views, most especially on a free-thinking, freewheeling discussion board such as this, and some of those who disagree with you will be quite vocal about it. None of us has the power to change that, and this is a good thing.

Nonetheless, enjoy yourself. It just seems like you're piling on lots of layers of unnecessary angst.

Thanks.

[ArkDem]

10. I'm wondering how any organization

could come up with that statistic.

[rogerashton]

12. Well, see, they are born again as single people.

You may think I am kidding, but ....

[Blue_Chill]

18. "sanctity of marriage" is a hot load of crap

We know homosexuals don't decide their sexual preference. Pretending that allowing people that truely care for eachother that happen to be of the same gender will some how harm all marriages is stupid.

The best argument I've heard for gay marriage is - "there just really isn't a reason not to allow it"

The more you think about it the more you see the above statement is true. I think this is why you get these groups pulling wild fantasies out of their asses like the sanctity argument. There just really is no reason not to.

[carolinayellowdog]

22. Divorce rates highest in the Bible belt, lowest in Northeast

New York and Massachusetts have among the lowest divorce rates, while states like Oklahoma and Arkansas are among the highest. My guess is that conservative Christianity is to blame, in that Bible belt people feel they have to marry in order to cohabitate and copulate, whereas more liberal folks don't marry unless they have thought it through carefully.

[pippin]

24. marital problems and divorce rates also tend to be higher where financial

problems predominate. Born agains tend to come from lower income and educational backgrounds. More education correlates with higher income, and hopefully less susceptability to fundamentalist nonsense. Ofcourse there is born again Bush-brain who is stinking rich and s ignorant as dirt despite his Havard and Yale education.

[onebigbadwulf]

27. That's because

they get married as horny high school grads, unleash their sexual repression, have 3 children, and realize they hate each other.

Get divorced.

Try again.


Educated people, however, ignoring fundamentalism, tend to make wiser decisions when it comes to matrimony.

[SheilaT]

29. Why am I not surprised at this?

I've noticed all too often that the most moralistic and preachy types are doing far worse so long as they think no one is looking. The list is long: Jim Baker, Newt Gingrich, even Saint Ron Reagan was divorced. Bob Dole left his first wife and abandoned his only daughter, for all practical purposes. And then there are the women of the far right is spend all of their time running around the country telling other women to stay home and make babies. None of them ever notice the hypocrisy, do they?

[criticalwords]

32. What is a born-again Christian?

How many definitions will...DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME UP WITH?

What's the point?

The point is that all...SO-CALLED...born-again Christians don't believe the same things.

The point is that all...SO-CALLED...born-again Christians do not have the same leaders and are therefore not taught the same things!

The point is that all...SO-CALLED...born-again Christians are not the same...PEOPLE! Some are taught that divorce is okay, others are taught that it is not.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PASTOR OF THAT CONGREGATION.

And the fact of the matter is that all...SO-CALLED...born-again Christians are not really born-again based on the scripture.

So I ask you again, what is a...BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN?

[ComerPerro]

34. Fundamentalist Christianity

Pat Robertson watching, CBN donating, gay-lynching, war mongering...

[Blue_Chill]

43. Um no

A born again is someone how has found themselves thru christianity and changes their life because of what they have found. It does not mean any of the crap you just wrote.

Some may be that way, many in fact are, but watch the blanket insults as they are almost always incorrect.

[FlaGranny]

64. My impression has always been that

"born again" only means that you have acknowledged Christ as your savior. Is it any more complicated than that? Many of the people I know who are "born again" have not changed their lives much at all that I can see, except they are more likely to go to church on Sunday.

The thing that gets me, and these are relatives of mine, they seem to think that no matter what you do after you have proclaimed Christ as your savior, it doesn't matter. Drinking, adultery, or robbery - they call it "backsliding." Even if you murder someone after you've made the proclamation, it still does't prevent you from your final reward. I think this idea probably causes some "born again" Christians to be a little more lax with their morality than they should be. Anyway, very few to none of the born-agains I know are living a Christ-like life.

[supernova]

37. Anyone who self-identifies

as "born-again", usually fundamentalist protestant christians, i.e. followers of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, The Southern Baptist Convention, the Pentacostals, etc... ad nauseum.

[NicoleM]

38. I don't know.

Ask James Dobson, he's the one who used the term.

Some are taught that divorce is okay, others are taught that it is not.

Aren't they all using the same manual?

[BuckeFushe]

33. If you read down, Eastern Europe and the world is 'pagan'

plus this turd has NO reference for his statistics other than a blurb for a Christian research group halfway down this rant.

At the very end, you'll see the purpose of this. To sell a new book.

Money is their God.

[Zomby Woof]

35. Of all my friends

It's the husband and wife fundie conservative pair who are BOTH on their second marriage. I also have a female fundie friend who is on her second marriage - to an atheist! LOL. All of my liberal friends are happily married (or cohabitating) with their first spouse/SO. So this fundie wife (from the pair I mentioned) blabbered to me one night that she thinks all of America's problems are because of "the breakdown of the family". :eyes: I pointed out, but yeah, both of you have divorced, right? She just blinked kind of blankly, but didn't change her mind. We do have civil disagreements, because in real life, I am nicer than I am on DU. :P

[bloom]

36. I was looking for divorce stats and found this gem...

http://www.nomarriage.com/



It might explain a lot. Fundamentalist thinking men who think the only women who make good wives are from 3rd world countries. (Because those women would have a subserviant attitude).

[Dhalgren]

41. This line here,

"If that institution (marriage) breaks down, however, the faith of generations to come will be in jeopardy." I think this is the best arguement for "breaking down" marriage that I have heard. If breaking down marriage as an institution will cause people to stop worshipping the bible, then I say break it down!

The animosity that most right wing Christianists have towards gay marriage has only to do with control and power and nothing to do with anything else.

[Ilsa]

44. Yes, it is true, here are some reasons:

Most "born-again Christians" are located in churches which are more prevalent in the south. Southerners tend to marry earlier. Marrying earlier tends to confer a higher divorce rate.

I believe there are some other reasons having to do with differences in religious belief. Baptists and some other Protestant denominations do NOT treat marriage as a "Sacrament". It is proper to do in the church, and it is to be "blessed" by the church, but it is an "earthly" relationship, not one that is continued as such in Heaven.

In 1999, I believe, at a meeting of the Southern Baptists in New Orleans (I don't remember if it was their annual Convention), the leadership got all over them for their high divorce rate and the bad example they were setting. I believe they passed some new requirements in the church for dealing with marital discord.

Edited for grammar, content.

[mrgorth]

45. It may be people

who freak out and then become born-agains. These people will then try and drag their spouses in and may end up getting dumped. Just a thought.

[amazona]

47. born again men are too bossy

Once they get into that, you have no option but to drop them like a hot potato. They can't be lived with because they are too unreasonable. Not surprised that they would have a high divorce rate, because they just don't know how to be an equal partner.

[NicoleM]

49. What about born again women?

I lived with one of those. She was pretty much impossible to live with. It's not just a man thing.

Disclaimer: I'm sure not all born-again Christians are impossible to live with.

[amazona]

54. hey, i think you're right!

I bet a born-again female would be just as much of a PITA.

[bleedingheart]

52. Born Again may be Boring in Bed

sorry I just had to say that....

By the way in Atlanta I saw these huge billboards for Divorce lawyers..really cheap...I was suprised because I thought it was a bible beltway area and promoting divorce lawyers seemed at odds with that.

[tom_paine]

53. No surprise there...the followers of Falwell, Roberston, Bush

they only THINK they are following Christ, when in reality they are following his opposite number...

[ozone_man]

59. Maybe its simply that

non-religous folks tend to live together for a while to see if they are compatible before getting married.

[Ilsa]

67. I was under the impression that

living together prior to marriage statistically had no bearing on divorce rate, but perhaps that has changed.

It's the Fundies that have such high divorce rates. The Catholics tend to stay married more, but that might be out of religious conviction.

[TreasonousBastard]

61. Safire wrote...

a fun article on this months ago. He asked that pro traditional marriage fundies first fix traditional marriage and sell it before trashing homosexual or other non-traditional ones.

Recently heard on the radio a few people talking about how Japan and Europe, with their lower tolerance for religion interfering in their lives and and higher tolerance for sexual permissiveness, have much lower divorce rates than we do.

We do seem to have a problem with sexual repression here. That Victorian nonsense about not talking about it, while actually doing some very strange things that we don't want to see, talk about, or admit.

I'm not sure just what role religion actually plays in all of this. I suspect many people use religion as an excuse for the repression, and the religion doesn't actually cause it. On the other hand, I have heard all those stories about Catholic and Fundie schools...

There is, of course, no excuse for any speculation about some skypilots and godbrokers stirring trouble leading to the usual religion bashing that goes on here. We all know many extremely devout and spritual people in many religions with very happy and successful families.

Having said all that, however, it appears that money is still the primary motivator for divorce in this country, and perhaps it's simply fundies are a bit broker than the rest of the population.

[opihimoimoi]

62. Its the MISSIONARY POSITION

Those guys don't do anything right including screwing. Now what?

[spooky3]

63. and what about the many who stay in bad marriages

because fundies believe it's better to suffer or too sinful to leave? If you could somehow count those with the divorces to get a total of "unhappily marrieds", I feel certain that the proportions would overwhelm those of other groups.

[FlaGranny]

65. My husband's mother,

a Catholic, told me she never remarried after being divorced, because she would be living in sin if she did. His father was the one who wanted the divorce. He married a younger woman. All three were Catholic. His father and his second wife had a civil marriage and lived in "sin" ever after.

The main reason for the divorce, from the way I hear it, was father wanted to go out and drink and party, and mother didn't want to do such things and stayed home. Father couldn't convince her to go with him. Father didn't stay home and thus met the other woman.

They were all super nice people, too. I loved all three of them.

[quaker bill]

66. Sanctity of Marriage

If the repugs were actually interested with the 'Sanctity of Marriage' there are far better places to start.

To set a good example, they could, perhaps stop boinking their aides.

Or how about getting tougher on spouse abuse?

Or how about reviving the economy so that one good job is enough to support a family?

This anti-gay bit is just more 'bread and circus' to keep people distracted from the real problems, about which the repugs are willing to do nothing.