Dean is unelectable.......or electable?

[slinkerwink]

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. He's electable.

Bush is electable too.

Just because someone is electable doesn't mean he should be elected.


We can do better.

[Melinda]

2. Ummm, what's the real point of this thread slinker?

It doesn't appear to be within GD rules. :shrug:

[SahaleArm]

7. Vanity.

I have yet to see one cogent point from a certain poster.

[Capn Sunshine]

40. and your point would be.......

[slinkerwink]

9. the picture didn't show up so I provided a link to it

[Melinda]

12. Ah, okay, now I understand. The image/link wasn't there when I posted

Thanks. :)

[slinkerwink]

14. no problem

:-)

[retyred]

3. Question Is

Will he be!


retyred in fla
“good night paul, wherever you are”
read the book

[Rowdyboy]

4. Of course he's electable....

Everything depends on how things look in the Fall of next year.

[KC21304]

5. He is electable, meaning under certain circumstances

he may be elected. But we have someone else who has greater electability against Bush.

[Eloriel]

15. You know, I crack up whenever I hear anybody talk about that

Especially when it's Kerry himself, who CERTAINLY ought to know better.

Those figures are from national polls. At this point, nationally, very few Dems or Dem-leaning Independents are paying any attention at all. In fact, if they're like I used to be (quite a few years ago), they purposefully turn off their attention when poitical subjects come on the news. We're still talking name recognition or similar issues at this point (which is Lieberman gets any numbers at all).

I'm guessing that when people are asked to compare certain specific candidates against Bush, they have to think they actually know something about that candidate, and a lot of them think they know enough about Kerry to think he'd do well against Bush.

This is by no means a good indicator that Kerry really is more electable than Bush. It's pure speculation from (mostly) almost (not quite) totally uninformed respondents.

Eloriel

[Skwmom]

21. You know what cracks me up

Dean selling people on his electability because he will get 2 million people to donate a $100 each to oust Bush (as Woodruff marveled over today). However, as usual Dean has not provided one shred of evidence to support this assertion. In addition, he fails to talk about the people who will keep their checkbooks close because they will view 2004 as a write-off.

[slinkerwink]

22. um.....he's been elected FIVE times, and SURVIVED a Rethug onslaught

in 2000-----that proves his electability to me!

[drfemoe]

35. Evidence

Wednesday, October 15, 2003

Statement by Governor Dean on Today’s FEC Filing
DES MOINES—Governor Dean issued the following statement today regarding today's Dean for America Third Quarter FEC filing. The filing will reflect that the campaign raised $14.8 million in the third quarter from 168,000 Americans contributing an average of $73.69:

"Today's filing—the largest ever by a Democratic presidential campaign—is about more than simply donations given and cash spent. It is a report on the state of the American republic. It is a statement by a growing segment of American citizens that they no longer will accept the political status quo.

"This report documents an American citizenry that is awakening to reclaim their democracy and restore their republic; a citizenry that wants to take back their economy from corporate scandals and corporate executives who inflate their salaries while fleecing pension funds; a citizenry that fears its elected officials are bankrupting their children's future. The American people are frustrated that last October the Congress abdicated their Constitutional role of deciding the issue of war and peace. They feel betrayed by a Democratic Party establishment that rolled over and provided no opposition, no debate, to a mistaken war and continued attacks on our civil liberties.
... con't
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001878.html

[KC21304]

38. Well, we will have to just hope that by the time

the primaries come all those INFORMED respondents realize that it would be better to vote for the candidate who has the best chance to beat Bush, whom ever that may be.

Are only the people informed who support Dean ? As you say, you are just guessing.

Glad I could add to your amusement.

[childslibrarian]

6. He's a community organizer but

he has to work on his manners and find a way to come across as likeable--as likeable as frat boy Bush....

[slinkerwink]

8. Dean has the lowest unfavorable ratings in NH....

:shrug:

[childslibrarian]

10. That's New Hampshire

What worries me is how he'll play in the south and the west (and I don't mean California) The man is a brillant community organizer, but I am from the south and the way he's come off in some of the debates has greatly worried me. Believe me, Shrub has the southern good old boy deal down to a fine art...

[slinkerwink]

11. Dean's doing well in the south---he has the lead in the NC poll

and is looking to do great in NM, and he has 30,000 Dean supporters in Texas, of all the places.

[rumguy]

30. are those his ratings just among democrats?

I'm assuming they are...or is it the general populace...I imagine most people in NH, regardless of party affiliation, know of Dean and have formed opinions of him.

[ryharrin]

34. Democrats and Independants.

Independants, as in swing voters.

[rumguy]

36. fascinating

so his ratings among independents...and not just democratic primary voters, are positive.

That's one attribute of a successful candidate.

[mlawson]

13. Of course he is electable. Getting the nomination

is something else again.

[ozone_man]

39. Yes, I think several would be electable,

but who gets the chance? Bush will lose for sure, barring WWIII, which is always a possibility with Bush. :nuke:

This is an opportunity to change from the grass roots up, and Dean is the one.

[Melinda]

16. Here is the cartoon:

[slinkerwink]

18. thanks!

:hi:

[Melinda]

19. Anytime. :-)

:hug:

[slinkerwink]

20. awwww, thanks

:hug:

[DemCam]

17. The Doctor is electible if.....

events fall that are favorable to Bush's demise. That is true of any Democrat that gets the nomination.

I support Wesley Clark, but lately I have come to believe that Dean's personality is very similar to Bush's...and that may favor him in getting right up in his sour ol'face and letting it all unload.

He's of the same "class", culture, background. He knows how those east coast preppie boys tick...even if Bush has tried to hide his pedigree under a little cowshit.

[Ksec]

23. Electable for sure

No doubt

[slinkerwink]

24. thanks!

:hi:

[59millionmorons]

25. Both

If the war continues to go bad he is electable, if the war gets better I doubt he is electable.

[rumguy]

26. That's true

he owns the issue of the Iraq war...

he's already looking like somewhat of a prophet...so to speak...

[slinkerwink]

27. I doubt the war will get better----for heaven's sake, a donkey was able

to attack Halliburton.

[slinkerwink]

28. :kick:

[Myra]

29. I think he's one of the most electible candidates, *but*...

As someone said (generally attributed to Joseph Stalin,
but don't know for sure):

"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes."

Regardless of who said it, the BFEE knows it.

[Zomby Woof]

31. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=730934

*yawn*

[slinkerwink]

32. that one's an old dupe.

:shrug:

[Zomby Woof]

33. still...

It's this kind of overkill that makes certain kinds of candidate boosterism... well, overkill. ;-)

Edit: The link isn't that old, it's just archived because volume in GD is superheavy. It was posted just a few days ago... :shrug:

[slinkerwink]

37. ha, we need overkill to beat bush!

[LiberalBushFan]

41. logically fallacy

person has ulterior motives for stating A is true, therefore A is false

All the candidates seemed somewhat unelectable to me, not just Dean, until Clark showed up. If the media is able to convince liberals that Dean is unelectable as this cartoons claims, imagine what they'll be able to convince the public about him during the general.

[quaker bill]

42. Guess what they will do to any candidate

once nominated.

I have heard enough about how this candidate is more bulletproof than that one. It is a load of bovine excrement.

The right and their media familiars will open up a withering fire on any Democratic nominee. And they will have +/-.25 billion dollars to fund it. The better question is how the candidate will respond.

Will our candidate allow 'Gore said he invented the internet' lies to prosper? Or will the candidate shoot them down fast and hard? And further, once done with that fire back with the better ammo littering the fields in nearly every policy arena?

If we aren't ready to take the gloves off and fight for this one we will be run over.