BBV----VIctory In CA

[Capn Sunshine]

hey GBNC especially! Check this out !! Secretary of State (CA) says voting machines must provide a paper trail!

What more can you ask for for validation?

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61334,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

I guess deluging him with BBV links paid off.

[gristy]

1. LOL

E-Votes Must Leave a Paper Trail

By Kim Zetter | Also by this reporter Page 1 of 1

03:25 PM Nov. 21, 2003 PT

SAN FRANCISCO -- California will become the first state requiring all electronic voting machines produce a voter-verifiable paper receipt.

The requirement, announced Friday by California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, applies to all electronic voting systems already in use as well as those currently being purchased. The machines must be retrofitted with printers to produce a receipt by 2006.

With a receipt, voters will be able to verify that their ballots have been properly cast. However, they will not be allowed to keep the receipts, which will be stored at voting precincts and used for a recount if any voting irregularities arise.

DON'T CALL IT A RECEIPT! A RECEIPT IS SOMETHING SOMEONE RECEIVES AT THE CONCLUSION OF A TRANSACTION. IT IS NOT A RECEIPT. THAT PIECE OF PAPER IS THE BALLOT OF RECORD. IT IS NOT A RECEIPT.

sheesh

[Eric J in MN]

2. the word receipt

While your criticism of the word "receipt" is valid, there is also a plus-side to the term.

People are familiar with the word "receipt" and expect to be able to demand a "receipt" after transactions, and so it can help make the requirement popular with people who aren't deeply into the issue.

[creativelcro]

6. absolutely..

but what triggers a recount, so that the paper record is examined ?... This is a crucial problem... If the recount is triggered by having tiny margins, then there could still be major fraud that goes undetected. Some form of mandatory recount of the paper records has to take place... -CV

[althecat]

3. Incredible!!!!

Since July 8th we have gone from nobody giving a rats.... to the biggest state in the Union declaring VVPB's mandatory...

Really HUGE UPS HUGE UPS

To everybody here. DU, Bev, DemActivist, Eloriel, Redeagle, TIA, GBNC everybody stand up and take a bow.

This is aaaaammmmaaaazing...

al

[Eric J in MN]

4. Kevin Shelley seems cool.

Kevin Shelley seems cool.

Does anyone know if he was elected or appointed?

[cally]

7. He was elected

He was the Dem most at risk of not winning last election cycle..before Arnie. Many of us walked precincts for him.

I heard him interviewed today. He kept mentioning all the emails he has received. He also implied that those moving into a new technology need the comfort of the old way. Oh well.

[nbsmom]

17. Kevin Shelley is a Repuke in Dem clothing

He aided and abetted the recall by 'certifying' the 'pro-recall' signatures in record time, and then allowing the travesty of a recall election to happen on a Repub timetable (if Ahnuld had had to wait until the regularly scheduled November election, there would have been enough time to get the story out about the groping, big-money corporate donations, etc., and it could have been a completely differently outcome).

I don't like the answer that Shelley gave about not being able to produce a paper trail before 2005 (conveniently enough, the year AFTER the presidential election), and I don't trust that the news was released late in the day on a Friday before a holiday week...that's where you bury stories so no one really pays attention (majority of people don't really read the paper on Saturday morning or watch the news on Friday night, so it's almost a non-news story by Monday.)

I don't trust him, and I think he needs to do better than 2005 with paper trail for BBV.

Kind of reminds me of that Dem in FL who put together that infamous ballot, and 'left' the Democratic party not long after the 2000 election...I believe she ultimately registered as a Repuke (and weren't there rumors that she was actually linked with the CIA?)

[KeepItReal]

20. Agreed!

Here some more of what he allowed to happen:

1. People from outside of California were allowed to collect signatures for the Davis recall. (That is illegal)

2. He did rush out the recall election (Favorable to Republicans thanks to uniformed/underinformed Californians)

3. Allowed votings precincts to *REDUCE* the number of polling places, even though there was going to be a RECORD turnout...thus leading to lots of provisional ballots (like mine!)

4. Allowed PC Voting in L.A. county (at least) with no paper trail...


I'm sick of fake Democrats...

[althecat]

5. Related Thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=748670&mesg_id=748670

But (to mods) not so related that this one shouldn't stand.... we need threads a plenty to celebrate this coup!!!

[MoonRiver]

8. Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy, justice lives!

How sad for Rove, though. He put all that money and energy into Schwarzneger for the sole purpose of stealing CA's electoral votes. Now, looks like its all been to no avail. Awwwwwwwwww, so sorry, NOT. :D

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. This is a GOOD DAY

for all of us... it really is

With all the horrors we have seen this week, this is a MAJOR
VICTORY againts the Machine

[not systems]

10. Best news I've heard...

in three years.

[shance]

11. Its definitely progress. However it goes into effect in 2006??

This is NOT acceptable.

Imagine what will happen between now and 2006.

Better yet, look at what has already ocurred to our voting system without a paper trail.

Go to blackboxvoting.org, to the California forum and find out who to contact in California to let them know that this must be effective IMMEDIATELY.

And btw, BBV looks terrific!! Theyve updated the website.

[AntiCoup2K4]

12. Uh, not to be the party pooper here, but.....

....did anyone notice the "must be retrofitted by 2006" part?? Which means this won't help in whatever plans Rove, Chimpy and the Gropenator are cooking up :-(

[Eric J in MN]

16. in spite of the 2006 in the order

In spite of the 2006 in the order, this order still gives us momentum to get Congress to pass the "Voter Confidence Act," which would go into effect in 2004.

Spread the link in my signature:

[Andy_Stephenson]

22. The foot is in the door.

if the machines are not good enuf for 2006...they are not good enuf for 2004.

A real wedge issue.

[althecat]

13. Posted a story on this remarkable news here...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0311/S00171.htm

[goforit]

14. Not till 2006 ....way to late in my opinion!!!!

Has anyone heard of a company called Provititi????

They need to be checked out very seriously.
Could be a problem in verification of voting.

[RedEagle]

15. Back up

Kick!

[althecat]

18. And another...

If this weren't a virtual activism community I reckon we would be partying.

[Bushfire]

19. bump n/t

[Andy_Stephenson]

21. It's a good thing but there is still

work to be done. Encouraging...Yes...should we let our guard down...Hell no!

[RedEagle]

23. Perfect?

No,not perfect.

Foot in the door, dam beginning to break?

Yep!

[althecat]

24. Slashdot thread on this.... some great comments...

Will Diebold voting machines should now carry warnings that state, "This voting machine contains technology known by the State of California to be harmful to Democracy"?


http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/11/22/1347209.shtml?tid=103&tid=126&tid=172&tid=99