"How to stay out of the military" (Must read - especially ages 16-20)

[Dems Will Win]

This is a fantastic page on how to legally stay out of the draft and the best way to get a CO (write I AM A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR TO WAR IN ANY FORM when you fill out the registration application). This page cannot be beat. Gives draft counseling info too.

http://www.duckdaotsu.org/resist.html

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Registering But Resisting Induction

If you decide to register:


• Find a post office for your registration that has an accessible photocopier.
• Print in legible black ink across the middle of the registration form: I AM A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR TO WAR IN ANY FORM. This is not a classification, but it may help you later to document your position as a CO. Selective Service makes no record of this declaration in its computer files, but they do make a microfilm record of the registration card. You should make a copy of your card for your file.
• Make a photocopy of your registration form for your own records. Date it, fold and seal it, and mail it to yourself. The postmark confirms the date.
• Put a complete statement of your conscientious objector beliefs on file with your religious body, the CCW, the CCCO, or any other counseling agency.

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This is just part of this wonderful resource. Let me know what you think. Great links! Except he missed this one that says the draft is being geared up to a 75-day countdown that could start April 1, 2005--and that's no April Fools joke.

Hope I saved a few lives tonight...

[MuseRider]

1. Thanks

I have 2 sons, one almost 18 and one almost 20. I have acquired some information and have added this. Muchas Gracias

[kalashnikov]

2. The army isnt going to install the draft.

And I wouldnt mind serving in the army if they did.

[Postman]

3. Why wait? Go join up chump.

I love these armchair generals.

[Jacobin]

4. Go for it.

Maybe you could help invade and conquer Syria or Iran. PNAC has those countries high on its agenda. Not many christians, just a bunch of muslim brown people, so blasting them shouldn't cause a problem.

[Ksec]

37. I believe its comin'

almost sure of it. I was around during the last draft and I can tell you it was the centerpiece of all our conversations of the 18 to 21 crowd. Lots of them went to Canada to get out of serving and lots went to VietNam. I was lucky and my number was high so I wasn't called but rest assured I was sweating my arse off until the war was over. I would not judge anyone who decided to dodge. I think the war is bogus and it wouldn't be dishonorable to excuse yourself from the draft. If the war was necessary I may feel differently but I'm not sure of that one.

[oasis]

43. Bush 2004+PNAC=Draft. You had better belive it.

[Dems Will Win]

5. Oh no? Then why is Bush spending $28 min '04 to make DRAFT ready (read!)

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

What say you now, kalishnikov? The first Draft Lottery would be June 15, 2005 after Bush asks Congress for troops--just to maintain the 100,000 the Pentagon said they will maintain thru 2006!

[tritsofme]

11. I really think that they would shift troops out of Europe before a draft,

it would make the GOP impotent for years to come, and theres nothing they like more than power.

[Lars39]

12. They have been shifting troops out of Europe.

They're grabbing everybody from every corner they can. I know a guy that played in the armed forces band that is now in Iraq.

[tritsofme]

14. Arent there still some 100,000 troops over there?

nt

[Lindacooks]

23. Hey, they don't have any worries

about losing power; they'll just continue stealing elections.

[stevedeshazer]

9. Why wait?

Sign up now! Bush just increased the death 'benefit' to $12K!

Just go here: http://www.goarmy.com/army101/twopaths.htm

[falcon]

10. Go for it!

I did back in 1967 and I'm still fucked up from it.

[Walt Starr]

13. You're talking the talk, now walk the walk

Join up now or you're blowing steam out your ass.

[kalashnikov]

33. When I graduate from college I plan on doing so

[Ellen Forradalom]

45. Fair enough.

Are you in ROTC now?

[kalashnikov]

60. No, wouldnt work with my schedule.

[BiggJawn]

17. By golly, you're RIGHT! no Draft!

Maybe they'll send out "Press Gangs", just pull up on campus with the busses with the wire-grid windows, bring in the MPs with the dogs, and just round up 8-900 young fellows and load 'em up...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. then why aren't you serving NOW??>?

[Ernesto]

28. Boy do you need help

I'm sure there is a recruiter that can accomodate you.... Think about all those neat guns that you can fondle and grope!

[kalashnikov]

34. Weeell...I do like guns...

[Dems Will Win]

36. It is a dangerous world. We still need people like Kalishnikov as much

as I wish we didn't. But the Volunteer Army is by far a better way to go. Bush just fucked it all up and now we're going to be 75 days from the DRAFT on March 31, 2005.

Thank you Kalishnikov, and if you finally do catch Osama--give a DU rebel yell!!

[kalashnikov]

42. Hooyah!

[Name removed]

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[number6]

29. Go for it...

The PNAC Neo-clown crowd loves U man.

send us a card from Syria.

[shanti]

38. go for it, dude

someone has to do it!

[DarkPhenyx]

6. French kiss a man...

...or a woman if you are female, in front of your recruiter. Get it on film, and send a copy to your local TV station. That will keep you out.

[gmoney]

7. "You mean, like flaming?"

"No, neither of us are homesexual, but we ARE willing to learn."

"Would they send us someplace special for that?"

-- Harold Ramis & Bill Murray, "Stripes"


"If two people walk in, sing a bar of Alice's Restaurant, and walk out... they'll think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them..." --Arlo Guthrie

[DarkPhenyx]

8. Yup! You got it.

But you gotta be willing to work with it. I was in the service, and I know they are going to call your bluff, and they are going to watch you. If they are suspicious enough, and they are feeling vindictive, they will watch you for months.

[Ilsa]

46. I was wondering when someone

was going to bring up that quote. Makes me laugh every time.

Hey Kalishnikov, follow your dreams! Some people are meant to be warriors.

[cliss]

15. My humble advice:

expect anything. If they say 'no', chalk it up as a 'yes'. I read last week here at DU that they were hitting up Fiji for troops. I laughed for about 5 minutes, then I realized they really are coming up short.

EXPECT them to restart the draft. If I were a young healthy male between the ages of 18 and 26 (and they're more likely to start with the younger ones), be proactive. Do everything you can to stay informed. Here at the DU, we will probably be the first ones to know because we've got the jungle drums going.

Please do not allow yourselves to get pulled into a war over oil and corporate profits.

[MattNC]

16. you're getting obsessed

starting a couple of topics a day about the draft

[Dems Will Win]

18. Matt! Was worried you were sick or something. Glad you're here!

Did you see how the Pentagon now says they'll keep 100,000 troops through 2006? Where are they getting those troops Matt? Keep in mind they will not deploy anyone twice. Unless of course you volunteer to deploy a second time...

You said you were of course concerned about the draft and so I was wondering if this new fact made you a little more concerned, a lot more concerned or still feel there's very little chance the draft would start on June 15, 2005.

Also, do you know? Would they really draft doctors up to 50? Can you help me find that out? Someone said that and it's hard to believe.

I wonder if it's on that sss.gov site?

Maybe I could draft one of those doctors and they could help me with this obsession!

[MattNC]

22. thanks

we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one

drafting doctors up to 50? no i cant ever imagine that happening

[Dems Will Win]

24. It's OK I found the page. You're right! It's not 50 -- it's 45!

And Matt, if the draft comes back they will draft women this time -- if they are doctors, nurses, Specialists or "healthcare Professionals".

All doctors and nurses will be forced to register immediately after the election if I am right about the 2005 draft.

From the official SSS site:

MEDICAL DRAFT IN STANDBY MODE

The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) is a standby plan developed for the Selective Service System at the request of Congress. If needed it would be used to draft health care personnel in a crisis. It is designed to be implemented in connection with a national mobilization in an emergency, and then only if Congress and the President approve the plan and pass and sign legislation to enact it. No portion of the plan is designed for implementation in peacetime. If implemented, HCPDS would:

Provide a fair and equitable draft of doctors, nurses, medical technicians and those with certain other health care skills if, in some future emergency, the military’s existing medical capability proved insufficient and there is a shortage of volunteers.

Include women, unless directed otherwise by Congress and the President.

Draft a very small percentage of America’s health care providers into military service. Impact on the availability of civilian health care would be minimal. Those health-care workers whose absence would seriously hurt their communities would be deferred on the basis of community essentiality.

Begin a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. They would register at local post offices. HCPDS would provide medical personnel from a pool of 3.4 million doctors, nurses, specialists and allied health professionalsin more than 60 fields of medicine.

Require minimal training for HCPDS draftees, because they are already skilled personnel.

http://www.sss.gov/FSmedical.htm

No wonder the healthcare union wants Dr. Dean!

[MattNC]

25. i had always thought

any draft of medical professionals would be needed for a domestic WMD attack but who knows

[Dems Will Win]

26. They wouldn't draft many but they all 3.4 million would have to register

at their local post office. It just says national emergency (already declared for 9-11 I believe). Getting the HCPDS ready is their number 1 priority in the 2004 "Performance" Plan (really a readiness plan) as they would need to start registering them all by June 15, 2005 if * pulls the trigger and they have no real apparatus it looks like at this point to do that.

[Ilsa]

47. Let's see, go to Iraq, or give up my nursing license...

hmmm, tough decision. Actually, I'll be over 45. Maybe they won't want me.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. CO's will NOT be exempt...they will still be sent into war zones but..

without a gun...they will be either made medics or put on supply lines or in a position where they will not have to carry a gun...but they will be sent

[Dems Will Win]

21. Alternative Service allows COs who say they can't even serve in the

military to be placed in other government jobs"

CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION AND ALTERNATIVE SERVICE Printer Friendly Version

A conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles.

HOW TO APPLY
In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service, he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs.

He may provide written documentation or include personal appearances by people he knows who can attest to his claims. His written statement might explain:

how he arrived at his beliefs; and

the influence his beliefs have had on how he lives his life.

The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented.

A man may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies his claim, but the vote is not unanimous, he may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board. See also Classifications.

WHO QUALIFIES?
Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical; however, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.

SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual's specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to Alternative Service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.

ALTERNATIVE SERVICE
Conscientious Objectors opposed to serving in the military will be placed in the Selective Service Alternative Service Program. This program attempts to match COs with local employers. Many types of jobs are available, however the job must be deemed to make a meaningful contribution to the maintenance of the national health, safety, and interest. Examples of Alternative Service are jobs in:

conservation

caring for the very young or very old

education

health care

Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have served in the military, usually 24 months.

http://www.sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm

[Cocoa]

27. Bush was involved in this election

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030703-15.html

Presidential Envoy James Baker to Visit Tbilisi, Georgia
Statement by the Press Secretary
Visit by Presidential Envoy James Baker to Tbilisi, Georgia

Former Secretary of State James Baker will visit Tbilisi, Georgia on July 4 and 5 on behalf of President Bush. The mission's primary objective will be to discuss with Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze ways to advance political and economic reform in Georgia through free and fair Parliamentary elections this fall. Mr. Baker will also discuss U.S. -Georgian cooperation on counterterrorism and other security matters. The Baker mission reflects the United States' readiness to work with all Georgian citizens who are committed to advancing reform and fighting corruption in pursuit of a democratic, prosperous, and stable Georgia.

[JohnKleeb]

30. Thanks I am 16

Now I cant be drafted anyhow but still thanks.

[Dems Will Win]

31. Actually this thread should be read by anyone who's 16 to 24

[JohnKleeb]

32. which I am, I am 16

I cant be drafted due to a heart condition but I fear that Bush and Co will find some way to make me eligible. I am afraid of guns to begin with!

[Hippo_Tron]

35. Can't you just say that you're gay?

I mean if they started accepting homosexuals into the military then, it would be just a tad bit hypocritical.

[jmowreader]

39. I don't think that would work anymore

I expect them to set up Homosexual Regiments to deal with all the men who've suddenly turned gay as a result of being called up.

A regiment of gay infantrymen, a regiment of gay artillerymen and a few battalions of gay engineers. Perfect! They'll get their chance to serve their country, they'll play a leading role in the fight against terrorism, and did I happen to mention that those are the three best branches to send people you want dead? The casualty rates of infantry, artillery and engineers are extremely high when rounds start flying in earnest.

[Hippo_Tron]

40. I just don't think the GOP can play that one off...

We don't want gays in the military, unless we ABSOLUTELY need them.

[Dems Will Win]

41. They will ask you directly if you are a practicing homsexual

When they asked my friend winked and said flirtingly:

"What do you mean by that??"

Then they said have you recently had sex with a man?

He said: "Oh yes!"

[Trek234]

56. I think they would do something like that

After the war we would probably find out about tons of crimes, however. Similar to african americans in earlier wars being the first in line to get the most dangerous jobs, for example.

[trogdor]

54. Anyone in high school right now should take this seriously.

Got teenagers? ABB in 2004!

[PaDUer]

59. What's ABB?

eom

[Silverhair]

44. Very simple. Don't enlist. n/t

[Jane Eyre]

49. Bump

Just trying to get some decent threads to the top, ahead of the hacker mess.

[KittyWampus]

50. I Post This To My Local Papers Editorial Page

Thanks! :)

[FuseONE]

51. .

What about showing up high and/or drunk to your physical?? I heard Jim Morisson did that and they couldn't get him out of there fast enough, haha.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

52. asthma will keep you out

[karabekian]

53. out of Europe

I agree that we will remove troops from Europe before a draft. We should do that anyways. I think Germany is stable and I am tired of picking up the bill for their defense.

[Kellanved]

55. the troops aren't in Germany because of "stability"

At least not officially. Germany is a sovereign nation - the American Soldiers are there as guests.
The Bases are mostly empty anyway (guarded by the German Army). The Infrastructure is the interesting part: Airbases, Hospitals, supply stations, etc. No use in moving them anywhere.

[Trek234]

57. HAHAHAHA

Defense? Haven't heard someone say this since I last visited Free Republic.

Germany does not need US defense - you can be damn sure of that. Not only are they at zero risk for being majorly attacked - they also have the entire EU behind them. Part of the EU is the mutual defense of a member nation. In other words if you attack Germany you potentially have to worry about every other EU nation engaging you.

Even if in some fantasy land situation Germany were to be conquered, you can be fairly certain the other European nations are not going to wait around to be next in line should Germany totally fall. They've learned from WW2.

The US threatened to leave Germany before prior to the Iraq war when Germany would not go along with the scheme. The German people said thank you! - get the f*ck out. Because it's exactly what they want the US to do.

The US doesn't defend Germany - they just occupy space they shouldn't be occupying to begin with.

And of course Germany is 100% stable. The United States has a greater chance to loose stability than Germany at this point in time if you look at the proportion of internal conflict that exists.

[Bonobo]

58. My uncle's "peanut-butter" solution:

This is true (I think):

Before the physical, he put peanut butter all over his ass. Then during the physical he reached in there with his hand, grabbed a generous quantity and proceeded to eat it. He got off on a section 11 (or whatever that one you get when yu're crazy is).

Anyway, it may be apocryphal but I know he didn't go to 'Nam...