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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:49 AM
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Clark04 Ad Blitz – Mission Accomplished!
rock on!

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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:51 AM
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1. Fantastic!!!!
I must confess....I just downloaded the "donation by mail" form from Clark's site.
I'm leaning heavily in his direction.

He'll be on BLitzer and Face the Nation this Sunday if I'm not mistaken...Another chance to evaluate....
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:19 PM
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31. Go Gloria!
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:53 AM
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2. Yea, right.....
After the last thread you started....you need to redeem yourself.

You must spend a lot of time at the Clark site. Seems like you beat Clarkies to posting the Clark stories.

Keep it up, my friend. I'll play along.

AND GOOD FOR CLARK. THAT WAS IN 2 DAYS. NOT TOO SHABBY!
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:03 AM
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3. you're the only Clarkie I have a problem with…
most of the other (prolific) ones know that I'm not anti-Clark.

I actually have private conversations with several of them.

Clark is my #2 choice.

I posted that article because it's in the NY Times… a major paper.

you're so virulently anti-Dean, claiming he's unelectable in every post you make (regardless of the thread's topic) that I wonder whether you're really ABB (as you claim to be)



btw, Clark's fundraiser was for 3+ days.
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:16 AM
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6. When it comes down to it, aren't we all on the same side?
We all want to see Chimpy, Unkle Dick, Asscroft, Rummy the dummy and Rove go byebye. Do we not?

Why argue about which candidate is better, etc etc..

I think the general concensus comes down to this:

Dean, Clark, Kerry, Kucinich and Edwards are all favorites, but you know what? They're all democrats, they've all got solid platforms, but some are more popular than the others, the first two seem to be in the front. Only one is going to get the nomination though and support will shift.

Creating rifts between the supporters of this party can only lead to one thing, 4 more years of pure, sheer HELL and Chimpy's ignorant ass smiling ever so blankly as he sits upon his throne of doom.

Do we really want that? I sure as hell don't..

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:31 AM
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8. I do think
that Dean is unelectable. I don't want Bush for another 4 years, and I can see the writing on the wall. Of course I feel strongly about the goal that is my priority; getting Bush out of our White House.

So sue me!

If Dean wins the nomination, of course I will vote for him. But that doesn't deter me from making my arguments that Dean is unelectable due to following factors:

1. No Foreign Policy experience and no military record during a
time crucial moment for the world and running against a wartime
president.
2. DOA tax policy. Nuff said on that subject.
3. Lack of southern strategy, apart from running Clark as his VP,
when we have 4 southern Democratic senate seat out on the
limb....which, if lost would render this country a 1 party
system, most likely for too long for me to wait.
4. Perceived as a New England liberal (even if he might not be)
5. Lacks Presidential bearing.
6. Message of empowerment that sounds like a motivational
inspiration gimmick is only for those not faint of heart.
7. Polls constitently show Bush beating Dean by a wider margin than
many of the other candidates.
8. What's the strategy with Dean as the nominee on how he will
respond to Bush's hurray speech that he will give on 9/11/04 at
the Republican convention to be held in New York City. Haven't
heard the rebut on that one.

Yes you are right....I am passionate, cause I don't want to lose.
Damm right I give you problems...probably give you nightmares too!
Well Welcome to the club!
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:35 AM
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9. here's what I think
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:47 AM
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13. is that how you imagine they'd dress for a debate in this fantasy of yours
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:59 AM
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17. no....
But this is how many will imagine their dressed once they open their mouths.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:01 AM
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19. that doesn't even make any sense…
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:07 AM
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21. No, it makes better sense
to hear the speech Bush will give when we offer up Dean as the nominee:
the Republican Convention is to be held on New York. The closing day of the convention is 9/11/04. That's the day the fake pResident will give the big hurrah speech. Remember that this is less than two months prior to the election. Historically, a convention tends to bumps up the positive percentage points of that party. We all know that the propaganda will be thick and heavy with Bush/Rove speak.
behold the speech that Bush might give on that convention floor.
The speech will go something like this:
----------------------
(Imagine it with his bad tx southern accent)
We have been fighting this War on Terror three years exactly today. We continue to pray for those who perished on 9/11. We pray for their family and thank them for the lives of their brave sons and daughters. We pray for the firemen and policemen who's heroic efforts shall never be forgotten. We will never forget, and that's why we took the fight to the enemy. We are safer because the fight is going on over there instead of over here.

The Democrats want to be in charge on this War on Terror. Howard Dean, who has no foreign policy experience, and never saw military service, wants to take the baton from me. He said that he has as much experience as I did when I was first elected. After 9/11, is that who the American people want to take over the War on Terror?(Bush snickers with his imfamous smirk) Dean wanted Saddam to continue to torture and kill the Iraqi people. He didn't want us to uphold America's responsibility to the world. He thinks that Iraq was better off under the terroristic evil dictatorship called Saddam Hussein. You have seen the reports on the mass graves. Dean obviously didn't. Dean didn't want the terrorist to come to Iraq to fight. He wanted them to stay in America and kill innocent Americans again, just like they did on 9/11.

But more than that, Howard Dean also wants to raise your taxes. Yes, raise taxes on each and everyone of you. A Tax and Spend Democrat wants to do what they have always done; grow the government and waste your hard earned money.

Now I know that we have to win this war, to give what we promised to the Iraqis people. We have to give them freedom and democracy, that was our promise, and I intend to fulfill that promise. Today we have 100,000 Iraqis bringing security to Iraqis. We have to stay in there until the job is done, otherwise the Middle East will have only learned that our resolve means nothing. Howard Dean wants to cut and run. He wants to pander to the U.N. and make America look weak.
On the domestic front, do you want a President who has been making the tough decisions for the last 4 years or do you want Dean? The guy who comes from a state that has as many residence as this city of New York has people of Puerto Rican descent. 600,000 people folks. That's what he calls experience (Bush does his sinister snicker, the crowd laughs). I say to Howard Dean, Maybe if it was at least 1 million people that would give us some concern (another joke)! Does Vermont even have a National Guard?.(more laughter)...oh yea, I think there are six or seven guys over there protecting the borders from out of state attackers.(wild applauds).

(Bush gets serious and sober) I want to keep serving for the American people, for the brave folks that are serving in our military. Don't let them have died in Vain. Ms. Smith over there please stand up. Yes Ms. Smith lost her son in the war. She says that her son died for Democracy and Freedom. You are right Ms. Smith, your son died a hero to return humanity and dignity back to millions of Iraqi men, women and children (wild applause, Ms. Smith bows and sits down).

(Bush sobers off after beaming smiles and nodding his head to thank the crowd for their applause)The evildoers are on the run. We've got them where we want them. If we stop now, if we lose our resolve, who knows what will happen. Next, Iran will be developing Nukes and threatening us. So a vote for Howard Dean will not make us more secure, at home or abroad. (Bush squints and slowly says)Howard Dean doesn't know how to keep America safe, he'll have to learn. After 9/11, America can't afford a President that has to go to training classes.

Under my leadership, we haven't had another attack here in the U.S., and that says a lot about the great team that I assembled. We will win the War on terror for the sake of those innocent lives taken on 9/11 and for the sake of our children. We will win the war on terror for the sake of Freedom and Democracy. We will win the election because only we can make you safe.

The economy is looking pretty good. I promised you that my tax cuts really would work. We have a ways to go, but we will get there. Howard Dean? Well he wants to raise the taxes of each and every hard working American. He wants the big wasteful bureaucracy to decide what to do with your money. Can we afford that in America? As patriots, we have all already sacrificed much too much. Look at Ms. Smith over there. Should she be asked to add injury to pain?
As real cowboys have said, don't change horses in the middle of the stream. Especially if the replacement horse is a donkey.(wild laughter and applause).

Well folks, we are in that stream now. A nice a steady course will get us across.

God Bless all of you and God Bless America.




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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:58 AM
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15. yeah
that should surely win the presidency.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:59 AM
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16. Military heros impress the Right
not the Left.

Anyone who is familiar with the true nature of war knows better.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:00 AM
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18. Yaaas, and I'm sure you're familiar with the true nature of war.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:31 AM
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23. Whilst one wistfully admires a world without wars ....
The philosopher plans to survive the reality of war ....
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 11:44 AM
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29. and you think you are this person?
Get off your soap box. You post constant negatives about Clark no matter what the subject in an atempt to slow the momentum of praise he gets. You are TIRED at this point.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:22 PM
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32. Really Webster? Clark is still at least tied for number one...
among liberals and wins in the head to heads against bush, meaning he pulls in more non-democratic voters. So if Clark is at least tied if not ahead with Democrats how can you state as a fact that the left isn't impressed with military heros? Apparently, they are.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:13 AM
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22. Those pictures tell all.
:bounce: :kick:
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:40 AM
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11. #7 is very telling
Even John Edwards, who is mired in the middle of the pack, does better against Bush than Dean. However, I do believe Dean is electable--but he is the least electable of the major candidates.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:07 AM
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26. I think he made it in under 3 days.
I could be wrong but I don't think so.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 08:48 AM
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24. Frenchie, Come On Sweetie, This is not the way to represent General
Clark. We've finally gotten things better around here. Please don't ruin it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:48 PM
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38. You've got mail!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:07 AM
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4. This is great news!
Thanks for posting this. :)
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:14 AM
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5. I hope y'all are on the mailing list where they've been
sending out an update every day on this. It's a good way to keep up with the campaign -- the e-mails themselves are generally bland, but you can read between the lines and get a feel for what's happening.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:14 AM
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7. Yes, I get the "updates" (please send more money!!!)...
Almost every day.

:)
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:37 AM
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10. Yeah, the constant pleas for money are a turnoff, although I
understand the reasons for them.

I've been thinking about maxing out to see if it would make the e-mails stop, but I'm also thinking about waiting until a cool fundraiser comes along. I've had two chances to meet Clark in person; the first one was a fundraiser here that was announced too late for me to be able to make plans to attend, and the second one I got sick the day before and didn't want to spread the germs. :/

But I'd like to meet him at least once in the near future; a fundraiser would be the best way.
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Myra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:47 AM
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40. I'd like to meet him...a fundraiser would be the best way...
Hmmm, not a bad idea.
It'd be so kewl to get to look him straight in the
eye (as we've all learned, he never blinks :)) and
tell him what I want my president to do.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:55 AM
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14. What is this?
When Dean put out an appeal the Clark forces were simply outraged and insisted everyone contribute to Move-On...
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 04:03 AM
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20. This is for his first NH ad
Different subject altogether.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 10:39 AM
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27. This isn't an appeal cant you read GOAL ACHIEVED!!! n/t
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 11:40 AM
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28. CWebster your act is getting stale.
CWebster, your selective chiming in to subject headings showing Clark in a good light is very old at this point. I suggest others just ignore him .
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:29 PM
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33. Clark asked Clark supporters to pay for a Clark Ad for Clark
Dean, or at least his supporters on DU, asked all Democrats to pay for a Dean ad to answer a Bush attack on all Democrats. Don't tell me you can't tell the difference?
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:12 AM
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41. Where do you get this stuff?
I saw plenty of posts in that thread that suggested donating to moveon.org that weren't from Clarkies.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 08:50 AM
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25. Thanks for posting the update on NH. n/t
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:03 PM
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30. Thanks!
Not bad for 3 days! We have much to do in terms of Internet fundraising to approach the standard Dean has set, but it's a start!

:toast:

DTH
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 03:08 PM
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39. At least with a Clark fundraiser we know ALL the money is coming
from Clark and not Bush supporters (unlike Dean who has Bush supporters contibuting to his campaign).
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AmericanDem Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 01:59 PM
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34. The Ad blitz is working
Last I heard Clark gained 4% or 5% points as of yesterday. Kerry sinking further.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:05 PM
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35. Thanks, pruner, for posting the article...
Sorry about the attacks. We ARE in this together and we need to grow up and start acting like it.
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:06 PM
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36. Excellent!
Well done! B-)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:10 PM
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37. WooHoo!
WTG! :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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snrfmaster Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 05:27 AM
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42. we just better win
thats all i can say, bush is meeting his goals too remember?

that f*ck
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