Here are the Democrats that voted to pass the (anti) medicare bill

[theoceansnerves]

alexander, rodney (LA)
boucher, rick (VA)
boyd, f. allen (FL)
carson, brad (OK)
cramer, robert (AL)
davis, lincoln (TN)
dooley, calvin (CA)
hall, ralph (TX)
john, chris (LA)
marshall, jim (GA)
matheson, jim (UT)
peterson, collin (MN)
pomeroy, earl (ND)
scott, david (GA)
stenholm, charles (TX)
wu, david (OR)

is your representative on the list?

[shirlden]

1. Mine is not, but here is a kick

:kick:

[sandnsea]

2. David Wu????

I am shocked, totally shocked. He's not my Rep but I never had the slightest notion there was a Democrat in Oregon to worry about. All I can figure is that he thinks his constituents would be duped by that AARP endorsement. I think he's miscalculated horribly.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

22. As a former constituent

I'm stunned as well.

Of course, after gaining his seat in a squeaker of an election in 1998, he's accumulated a huge war chest from the corporations in his district, so he may have been bought.

[izzie]

3. Red states?

Maybe they should check and see if that read is turning towards purple?

[Judi Lynn]

4. Thank you, theoceansnerves

What a collossal shame for the country.

I hope these guys get TONS of rebukes over this, and replaced in the next election.

Welcome to D.U.! :hi: :hi: :hi:

[ikojo]

5. Did Gephardt even bother showing up?

He has a history of missing votes (i.e., showing up for work). If I missed work as often as Gephardt does I would have been fired long ago.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. He voted NAY

[goobergunch]

17. All members voted (n/t)

[Cocoa]

27. RNC agrees with you

I disagree with you and the RNC, I think missed votes is as phony an issue as I've ever seen.

They have a whole page dedicated to the dem candidates' missed votes, subtitled "playing hooky from work":

http://www.gop.com/newsroom/rncresearch/missedvotes111403.htm

[Julien Sorel]

6. Almost all of them from the South.

There must be a lot of Pink Tutu Democrats in the South, right?

[RebelOne]

8. Yes, David Scott, GA

[Silverhair]

9. Yep, red states. They want to get re-elected. n/t

[Don Claybrook]

15. How does this help them to get re-elected?

Are their districts overflowing with pharmaceutical executives and devoid of senior citizens?

[salin]

29. I am in a red state, and a pharma state - and our dems did NOT vote

for this. Indiana = Eli Lilly. Notice our three dems, Carson, Hill and Visclosky are NOT on the list.

Being from a red state does not necessarily equate to voting for this (anti) medicare bill.

[salin]

30. Even two repubs from this red, pharma state voted against this

Burton and Hostettler.

[Fla_Democrat]

10. Yep

Allen "good 'ol" Boyd :eyes:

[dbt]

11. My jaw just hit the floor!

Not one Dem name from Arkansas! Did they answer the Clue Phone? Will Blanche Lincoln reverse this alarming trend in the Senate?

:wow:
dbt

[Stuckinthebush]

12. Yep...Bud Cramer (D - AL)

Well...he's not technically my representative, but he is close enough.

I think I'll write him a letter.

[sujan]

13. jim matheson

disappointing.

[BuelahWitch]

Indeed

His dad is probably rolling in his grave. I hope Norma gives him a good thrashing next time she sees him (if she's still around, that is)

Leslie (former Utahn)

[yankeeinlouisiana]

14. Damn, Chris John is

on the list. That's the guy the want to take Breaux's spot. :-(

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. pheew....No .....thank God

[nomaco-10]

18. These 16 names should be...

committed to memory or atleast written down somewhwere for quick reference. They represent the worst of the worst of the dem party. In fact we need a monument with their names written in stone along with Zell Miller, "21st Century American Traitors to their Party" comes to mind for a marker.

[goobergunch]

19. They should be blacklisted/tossed from Appropriations and Ways and Means

There's got to be a punishment for voting FOR the Medicare DEATion bill...and I think a 10-year prohibition on serving on those two committees (widely viewed as the best in the House) would be a fitting punishment. Bud Cramer and Allen Boyd sit on Appropriations...I think that there are more deserving people in the House than them to get that seat. The same goes for Earl Pomeroy's seat on Ways and Means.

[snoochie]

20. Democrats have been voting against the base for years

They don't care. Why should they? We'll still vote for them instead of the opponent, right? Sickening.

[Oilwellian]

21. Who are the Republicans that voted nay?

Does anyone have those names handy? Thanks.

[goobergunch]

28. As follows:

Todd Akin (MO)
Gresham Barrett (SC)
Dan Burton (IN)
Steve Chabot (OH)
John Culberson (TX)
Jim DeMint (SC)
Jo Ann Emerson (MO)
Tom Feeney (FL)
Jeff Flake (AZ)
Scott Garrett (NJ)
Gil Gutknecht (MN)
John Hostettler (IN)
Walter Jones (NC)
Jeff Miller (FL)
Jerry Moran (KS)
Marilyn Musgrave (CO)
Charlie Norwood (GA)
Ron Paul (TX)
Mike Pence (IN)
Jim Ryun (KS)
Jeff Shadegg (AZ)
Nick Smith (MI)
Tom Tancredo (CO)
Pat Toomey (PA)
Zach Wamp (TN)

http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=669

[diamondsoul]

35. I'll be damned!! Not only did our Dems vote right-

It seems all of our local Repubs did too! Damn I love my State again, and thanks for making my day!

[salin]

38. Isn't this a hoot - not only a red state - we are Eli Lilly's state

and more than half of our congressional delegation voted against this!

[uhhuh]

37. The most disappointing thing

Is that the republicans who voted nay during the vote held fast. The stupid thing got passed by turncoat Dems. After three hours, it was four more Dems caving in, not Delay getting his people to switch. That is the worst thing about this.

[Kanary]

44. Aiii Carumba!

Musgrave and Tancredo voted against it?

Amazing!

I must now go rest... this is hard to assimilate...

Hurrah for them.... even if I am in shock...

Kanaary

[cosmicdot]

52. Shadegg of Arizona voted 'no'?

I'm shocked I tell ya ... shocked!

I know AZ is a big retirement state ... but, still ... he's as Republican as one can be ...

[trogdor]

57. So Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY-24) voted for this.

He represents a region of New York State where the average age is somewhere between 60 and deceased, yet he did NOT answer the clue phone. Figures.

[sandnsea]

58. Because it didn't go far enough

Alot of them voted because they wanted more privatization or it was too expensive. Not because they cared about preserving Medicare.

[Punkingal]

23. Lincoln Davis of Tennessee....

I went to college with his wife, and I NEVER liked him. I knew he was a Repuke in a donkey suit!! :puke:

[Elidor]

24. He's my rep, and he's WORTHLESS!!!

Clueless stooge. Words cannot express my revulsion for this jerk.

[jiacinto]

43. Why

Because he's not Barbara Lee?

[Zynx]

25. I'm shocked Ken Lucas wasn't on that list.

That is amazing.

[UTUSN]

26. Kick n/t

[IndianaGreen]

31. I am shocked to see Wu on the list

I always thought Wu was liberal. What gives?

[0rganism]

56. Was there specific pork in the bill for OHSU?

I can't see any compelling reason for Wu to quisling on this, outside of strongarming or pork bribery. He could have been bombarded with mail from "moderate" constituents, I don't know.

[Langis]

32. #$@%$%^!!!!

FUCK ALL OF THEM, I am pissed. Went to bed last night and it was defeated, wake up and more fucking Dems defected. Spinless fucking bastards.

[Panda1]

41. My sentiments exactly

I finally had to go to sleep and the vote was 218 NAY 216 YEA
There were 12 Dems voting YEA and 25 Reps voting NAY.
One Dem had already taken back his/her vote.


I woke up to 215 NAY 220 YEA...gavel down while most of the nation slept.
R=25 NAY 204 YEA
D=189 NAY 16 YEA total NAY=215 YEA=220

Dem betrayal:
I seriously want to know the names of the four Dems who defected. Or has it been posted somewhere and I missed it?

Once again, if a Repuke can't win fair and square...CHEAT!!!!


Edit: spelling Grrrrr.

[diamondsoul]

33. No, thank God, 'cause I'd have to smack her down!

And even better, NONE of my State's Reps are on it.

[Syn_Dem]

34. Hmmm

My repug represenative Todd Akin voted no, what a pleasant surprise.

[Cocoa]

36. looks like Blue Dog Dems

and/or DLC.

[salin]

39. no. Our rep is die-hard Blue Dog (his self-description)

Baron Hill. Voted against it. Note - we are also in Eli Lilly country. The Indiana delegation vote is very interesting. Something is turning.

All of the democrats including centrist (and I believe, DLC-er) Hill held firm against.

AND two republicans - Frothing Dan Burton (remember his anti-clinton tirades/investigations), and John (breast cancer = abortion) Hostettler voted against.

But watch. I bet Bayh votes for it. People will claim it is because he is from a "red" state - or gets lilly money. But, as I have said on the boards for months - Bayh has moved farther to the right than he governed, and farther to the right than he needs to - to retain his immense popularity and incumbency in Indiana. He has larger political aspirations (current chair of the DLC, and - imo - vice presidential hopeful.) Hoosiers are no longer his target audience/constituents.

[FlaGranny]

40. My congressman is NEVER on these lists

that I don't like, he is Robert Wexler.

[UTUSN]

45. WEXLER Is One of the Greats

like Charles RANGEL, WAXMAN, MENENDEZ, FRANK.

[jiacinto]

42. They are all from right leaning districts

Only David Wu comes from a safe seat. While I may not agree with the votes of the rest of the people on the list the politics of their districts makes it understandable.

[NewJerseyDem]

46. Dooley and Scott are from Democratic districts

Both are Democratic districts. Scott's district voted 58% for Gore and Dooley's district voted 55% to Gore. Scott isn't at risk for reelection and Dooley is retiring.

[kentuck]

47. A Repub couldn't do much more damage....

Don't you agree...Bu I guess we can keep them around to vote for an increase in the minimum wage?

[jiacinto]

49. they vote for our leadership

That makes them worthwhile. As long as they vote for our leadership, and can keep their seats, how they vote is not the top concern with me.

[kentuck]

50. That doesn't make sense....

especially since we are in the minority and our leadership "isn't" worth a whole lot right now. But you seem to be saying they can vote against everything so long as they vote for the person to be the leader? I do not think that is wise Carlos.

[ibegurpard]

59. David Wu's seat is NOT safe.

Although it leans decidedly Democratic, a decent moderate Republican could easily win it. This vote will hurt him, I think.

[oasis]

48. "Dems" and the Rethugs who switched ought to be investigated and

given the "impeachment manager" treatment come the primaries and election day.

[cosmicdot]

51. having been born in Virginia, Boucher surprised me

he represents the famous Fighting 9th, a Democratic stronghold ... not a wealthy constituency by any means ...

I suggest exploring all 16 at places like http://www.opensecrets.org to see where campaign financing comes from; and, look at their personal finance statements.

In 2002, Boucher received about $40K from Retired groups ... but, he, also, took money from health and pharmaceuticals organizations ... he seems heavily lobbied by the Energy sector

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/indus.asp?CID=N00002171&cycle=2002

Top Industries
The top industries supporting Rick Boucher are:
1 Electric Utilities $125,898
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $63,072
3 Industrial Unions $45,500
4 Computer Equipment & Services $44,401
5 Commercial Banks $36,200
6 Retired $34,900 <--- these folks should rethink this - time to fight back
7 Oil & Gas $32,325
8 Telecom Services & Equipment $31,500
9 Insurance $30,346
10 Telephone Utilities $30,315
11 Lobbyists $28,670
12 Mining $28,300
13 Securities & Investment $27,250
14 Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $23,999
15 TV/Movies/Music $23,349
16 Accountants $21,042
17 Building Trade Unions $20,500
18 Finance/Credit Companies $19,000
19 Health Professionals $18,400
20 Chemical & Related Manufacturing $17,996

somebody got to him

Top Contributors - "Labor" should let him have it ... how do you represent United Auto Workers and MBNA Corp. without conflict?

1 Dominion Resources $19,230
2 VeriSign Inc $12,375
3 SBC Communications $11,000
4 American Bankers Assn $10,000
4 Exelon Corp $10,000
4 Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $10,000
4 MBNA Corp $10,000
4 National Auto Dealers Assn $10,000
4 United Auto Workers $10,000
10 Verizon Communications $9,500
11 Laborers Union $8,500
12 United Mine Workers $8,000
13 Morgan Stanley $7,500
14 Assn of Trial Lawyers of America $7,000
14 BellSouth Corp $7,000
14 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $7,000
14 Patton Boggs LLP $7,000
18 El Paso Corp $6,500
18 McGuire, Woods et al $6,500
20 Communications Workers of America $6,000
20 Duke Energy $6,000
20 Entergy Corp $6,000
20 Lehman Brothers $6,000
20 Microsoft Corp $6,000
20 National Venture Capital Assn $6,000
20 Southern Co $6,000

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00002171&cycle=2002

[AmericanDem]

53. alot of southern Dems there

:shrug:

[dusty64]

54. Scum!

:kick:

[joanski01]

55. What I heard on the Washington Journal

at 7:00 a.m. this morning was a journalist for the National Journal (he was on the phone). He said that Tom Delay wasn't able to get anyone to change their vote, so they had the pResident* call two Congressmen from Idaho and made them change their votes to vote against it. So it was our very own chimp-in-chief that caused this. That's why it took them almost three hours for this vote.

[Myra]

60. No, my rep is that monstrous harpy hell bitch Jennifer Dunn

Pity me for that. I do want your pity.

Thanks for the list theoceansnerves.

[ibegurpard]

61. Jennifer Dung

Good name for her, don't you think?

[Myra]

62. Yes ibegurpard, I do think that's a good name for that

Big ol' turd.
I so wish I could scrape her off the bottom of my shoe.
But so far I can't. And she's sure stinking up the joint.