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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 11:57 AM
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Selective Service Site: "Include women" -- they WILL draft female health
workers in a possible 2005 draft. From the official SSS Web site:

http://www.sss.gov/FSmedical.htm

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The Health Care Personnel Delivery System (HCPDS) is a standby plan developed for the Selective Service System at the request of Congress. If needed it would be used to draft health care personnel in a crisis. It is designed to be implemented in connection with a national mobilization in an emergency, and then only if Congress and the President approve the plan and pass and sign legislation to enact it. No portion of the plan is designed for implementation in peacetime. If implemented, HCPDS would:

Provide a fair and equitable draft of doctors, nurses, medical technicians and those with certain other health care skills if, in some future emergency, the military’s existing medical capability proved insufficient and there is a shortage of volunteers.

Include women, unless directed otherwise by Congress and the President.

Draft a very small percentage of America’s health care providers into military service. Impact on the availability of civilian health care would be minimal. Those health-care workers whose absence would seriously hurt their communities would be deferred on the basis of community essentiality.

Begin a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. They would register at local post offices. HCPDS would provide medical personnel from a pool of 3.4 million doctors, nurses, specialists and allied health professionals in more than 60 fields of medicine.

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I'm all verklempt! Talk amongst yourselves!

Possible subjects: Was the Selective Service Performance Plan for 2004 really Performance or a Plan?

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:01 PM
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1. WTF? there already is an 800,000 nursing shortage in american hospitals!
who will be left to care for the sick people at home?
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:03 PM
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2. Yo mama!
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:03 PM
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3. There will be less sick people if the medicare fiasco bill goes thru.
ie, they will be dead. Never thought I'd see things get this bad,with most of the public clueless. :(
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:03 PM
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4. Julio and Vasquez
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:20 PM
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7. yes ,the shortage is huge
esp when ,at least around here, they pay rn`s over 17+ to start, over 20+ for er,and over 25 for operating room nurses. and that to the benifits, ability to basically set their own hours ..and we still have a shortage. well i guess we will have to start getting nurses from overseas like a major hospital around here did. went overseas and brought back 25-30 nurses from the phillippines.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:07 PM
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5. i guess that scary crap i read about them doing financial studies on the
Edited on Sat Nov-22-03 12:26 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
cost and effect it would have worldwide of eliminating 3 billion people from the over taxed planet was real....they are saying that 3 billion must die if the planet is to sustain life beyond fifty years :scared:
http://dieoff.org/page13.htm

INVESTING IN NATURAL CAPITAL:
THE ECOLOGICAL APPROACH TO SUSTAINABILITY
published by The International Society for Ecological Economics and Island Press, 1994. Phone: 800-828-1302 or 707-983-6432; FAX: 707-983-6164

CARRYING CAPACITY REVISITED

"Ecologists define 'carrying capacity' as the population of a given species that be supported indefinitely in a defined habitat without permanently damaging the ecosystem upon which it is dependent. However, because of our culturally variable technology, different consumption patterns, and trade, a simple territorially-bounded head-count cannot apply to human beings. Human carrying capacity must be interpreted as the maximum rate of resource consumption and waste discharge that can be sustained indefinitely without progressively impairing the functional integrity and productivity of relevant ecosystems wherever the latter may be. The corresponding human population is a function of per capita rates of material consumption and waste output or net productivity divided by per capita demand (Rees 1990). This formulation is a simple restatement of Hardin's (1991) 'Third Law of Human Ecology':

(Total human impact on the ecosphere) = (Population) x (Per capita impact).

"Early versions of this law date from Ehrlich and Holdren who also recognized that human impact is a product of population, affluence (consumption), and technology: I = PAT (Ehrlich and Holdren 1971; Holdren and Ehrlich 1974). The important point here is that a given rate of resource throughput can support fewer people well or greater numbers at subsistence levels.

"Now the inverse of traditional carrying capacity provides an estimate of natural capital requirements in terms of productive landscape. Rather than asking what population a particular region can support sustainably, the question becomes: How much productive land and water area in various ecosystems is required to support the region's population indefinitely at current consumption levels?

more....

http://webhome.idirect.com/~occpehr/articles/ecology_v16_2.htm

Towards an Understanding of the Primary Ecological Challenges of the 21st Century

Or Let’s Fearlessly Explore the Heart of the Beast: Shall We?

By Bernard Eccles - The ACTivist Volume 16, Number 2

"We are biological beings, as dependent on the biosphere as any other life form. And we forget our animal nature at our peril. As we undermine clean air, water, soil and energy, as we burn fossil fuels beyond the capacity of the Earth to reabsorb the greenhouse molecules thus created, as we use our surroundings as dumping grounds for toxic effluents, and as we degrade pristine areas once teeming with other life and resources, I believe we are embarking on a suicidal path."

DAVID SUZUKI, CO-AUTHOR WITH HOLLY DREASEL.
FROM NAKED APE TO SUPERSPECIES

more...

"Beyond Malthus" by Lester R. Brown , Gary Gardner , Brian Halweil, 1999


This book is a great book that brings to light some of the problems the world currently faces. During the last half century the world population has more then doubled, climbing from 2.5 billion in 1950 to 5.9 billion in 1998. Malthus foresaw food shortages and famine because of the massive increase in population growth. The rise in the worldwide population accompanied with consumption is pushing the planets beyond its natural limits.
Throughout this book nineteen main environmental issues are addressed. I decided to focus on three main topics, that I feel are the most important; they are fresh water, biodiversity, and waste. Evidence of water stress is seen all over the world. According to Brown there will be scarcely one fourth as much fresh water per person in 2050 as there was in 1950. Worldwide, some 70 percent of the water pumped from underground wells or diverted from rivers is used for irragation, 20 percent is used for industrial purposes, and 10 percent for residental use. As population keeps growing more water is being diverted to urban areas, this is the same water that is usually used for irrigation. The main point being addressed is that the shortage of water means the decrease in food being produced.

The next topic covered in the book is biodiversity. As human populations keep growing other species are affected, some to the point of extinction. According to Brown the major source of species loss is habitat alteration, invasion by exotic species, pollution, and over hunting. As populations keep growing more people are forced into undeveloped areas that our host to many different species. This is where over hunting comes into play. People have to eat, or make a living selling skins or other animal parts. This problem is the greatest in underdeveloped countries where there are little or no conservation laws.

The last topic addressed is waste control. With a constant increase in population, the flow of waste products into landfills and waterways is increasing. Municipal waste is a major source of this problem. On average 824 million tons of waste are produced in developing countries each year. With an increase in population growth this number will rise to 1.4 billion in 2050. It is suggested that government agencies have to step in order to regulate this problem. Finding new ways to dispose of waste have to be discovered in order for the world to live with less disease.

Overall I felt this book was very informative about some of the problems of the world. I wish there were more solutions for what needs to be done in order to solve these problems. I think more education needs to be conducted in developing countries to reduce birth rates. According to Brown the current fertility rate in Pakistan is six children per woman and nearly seven in Ethiopia. These numbers have to be lowered in order for these countries to sustain a reasonable standard of living.


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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:13 PM
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6. I bet the Bush twins wish they were nurses so they could be drafted too
:crazy:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 12:22 PM
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8. Phew! In 2005, I'll be overage as an RN for them..
Edited on Sat Nov-22-03 12:22 PM by Ilsa
But probably needing professional health care. I'll fight these bastards for as long as possible.

BTW, my father in law, retired Special Forces, three tours to Vietnam, etc, was in his early fifties in 1991 when he got a DOD letter calling him up for Persian Gulf War service. He wrote some really ugly things on it (probably "Fuck you draft-dodging Cheney") and sent it back. They didn't write to him any more.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 02:56 PM
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9. Women SHOULD Be
subject to the draft if there's a draft. (Which I think has a snowball's chance.)

Maybe a draft is a good thing. It'll keep people a little more honest when supporting elective adventures in far off lands that have never done anything to us. Think people would be quite so "Whatever!" about the WMD lies if little Johnny just turned 18 and was facing a year in the desert?
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