JFK and the Legacy he left us...

[nomaco-10]

I'm sure you're just like me, overloaded on BFEE, JFK and Michael Jackson.
I was 9 years old when JFK was assasinated in Dallas, but the dem in me has followed the conspiracy theories and the factual accounts for low this forty years. Yes, there are factual accounts out there for perusal, as well as numerous conspiracy theories to manufacture book sales and TV ratings. After having read numerous books and after discounting so called conjured up for TV and movie accounts (Oliver Stone comes to mind) I have come to the following conclusions; Oswald did not act alone. It was either an anti-Castro group or a Mafia based anti-union group that acted from the bowels of the CIA that perceived JFK as week on communism, but who put this "bug" in the CIA's ear? All these scenarios could never work without CIA cover. Hoover was a frustrated, cross dressing, right wing advocate that would do just about anything to bring the Kennedy presidency down, but I have come away with the impression that he was "impotent" in his reign at the FBI, and am not quite sure that he was capable of pulling off such a coup, unless he was taken in by the CIA. Lyndon Baines Johnson was also a frustrated player in a cast of characters that still to this day deserves our interest. JFK took the much coveted democratic nomination by an almost too close to call vote from an LBJ victory with the help of his brother Bobby at the Democratic Convention of 1959. This provacative dem coup at the time was reported to cause LBJ much anger and hatred of the Kennedy clan, this already festering dislike of the "yankee, liberal" Kennedy crowd was exacberated when he was chosen as vice president, "a slap in the face" according to his long time supporters. And was it a coincidence that JFK was assasinated in LBJ's home state? And let's not forget that LBJ was a career politician in the very part of the south that was resisting civil rights, how convenient was it that JFK was "talked" into such a visit to Dallas? Gives you pause for thought, doesn't it?
My considered opinion is that the assasination evolved from the crazy ideologies that converged and took part in a "one time only deal" buffered by the CIA in behalf of the anti-Cuban and USSR groups (JFK was considered soft on communism by these factions), the feared union bosses of that era, the Mafia in this country that was threatened by Bobby, the right wing players in the republican and democratic parties and those disidents that didn't want to see this country take new steps forward into a brave new world. Take your pick, mix and match and throw in the willingness of the CIA to cover everyone involved that would take this president out for the good of the country.
What I have garnered from years of study of this much maligned and troubled family, was that Bobby was the best of the best. He was the
neglected and the over looked middle child of this troubled family, the Karl Rove of JFK's presidency, if you will, of present day democracy, but with a twist, Bobby Kennedy was the real deal.
The assasination of JFK is still as much of an enigma as it was 40 years ago. I don't think we'll ever know.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. i know enough to know when i see brain matter spray all over the rear

of the car that the fucking bullet entered from the front and NOT from behind (book depository)....watch the footage...if you know anything about "spatter" evidence you know this...

[nomaco-10]

2. Yep, my post did not elaborate on the FACT ...

that Oswald did not act alone. You might lose me on LIHOP and MIHOP when it comes to The World Trade Centers, but I am solidly convinced that the death of JFK was multiple assasins with backing by the CIA.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. i don't by the cuba/mafia schtick.. think it was the joint chiefs and CIA

JKF rejected their evil plans so they killed him and his brother...Operation Northwoods......in a burst of High Cold War craziness calling to mind Seven Days in May and Dr. Strangelove, the Joint Chiefs "drew up and approved plans for the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cubawhich had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro....".

Another gambit suggested by Lemnitzer and the J.C.s, was to blow up the Mercury spacecraft, with John Glenn in it. This would slow down the U.S. space program. On the other hand, it could be blamed on Cuban "electronic interference".

Further, Cubans working for the U.S. could stir up riots at the U.S. Guantanamo navy base in Cuba and some could be found inside undertaking "sabotage." My personal favorite is the following (Bamford is quoting original documents): "'We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba'"; "'casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation'".

This last stroke of genius of course alluded to the battleship Maine, which exploded in 1898. It is nice to see that our protectors actually study American history. Bamford adds, quoting from the documents, "'Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba'".

Another proposal involved registering U.S. citizens on a civil flight and then substituting for it a drone, which would be shot down over Cuba - the Cubans being touchy about their airspace, unlike normal countries. As late as 1963, U.S. attacks on Caribbean nations like Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago, which could be blamed on Cuba, were considered

[cosmicdot]

3. I'm watching the history channel - first I've really watched

regarding the 40th anniversary of JFK's murder ...

I see, in black and white footage, grief and tears, wondering where that America is today ... please still be there ...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. yep ..the day America lost its INNOCENCE...

[cosmicdot]

5. I might add (watching the Men who Killed Kennedy now) ...

... it breaks my heart all over again ... and, makes me sad, and I cry ...

and, I wonder ...

what have we accomplished, what great strides as a Nation have we made, during the last 40 years

maybe it's there, and I just don't see it ... or it's the emptiness in my heart which is the void ...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. cosmicdot...your post echoes my heart

[nomaco-10]

6. shameless, self promoting Kick because...

I may have not have written the most interesting
JFK thread, but I was hoping to get more feedback
from those that had opinions about who was behind
the assasination of JFK. I'm an amateur compared
to most of the guys on this site, I'm sure I must
be late in putting this topic out here for discussion,
I know du well enough to know this must have been
discussed ad nauseum, just a home a lone Saturday
night and whipped out a few words that were on my mind.

[Solomon]

7. I think it was the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about

right before he left. The growing fight for power between the military-industrial complex which is based in the southwest and mainly Texas, versus the old line financial centers of the northeast. profitable war in Vietnam means the potential to dominate america. I believe the same cabal runs things today with even more power, (witness how brazen they have become with conflicts of interests) and that it's also why New York was hit in 9-11 and will continue to be a target from the "terraists". They hate New York.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. i don't by the cuba/mafia schtick

.. think it was the joint chiefs and CIA

JKF rejected their evil plans so they killed him and his brother RFK...Operation Northwoods......in a burst of High Cold War craziness calling to mind Seven Days in May and Dr. Strangelove, the Joint Chiefs "drew up and approved plans for the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of anticommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cubawhich had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro....".

Another gambit suggested by Lemnitzer and the J.C.s, was to blow up the Mercury spacecraft, with John Glenn in it. This would slow down the U.S. space program. On the other hand, it could be blamed on Cuban "electronic interference".

Further, Cubans working for the U.S. could stir up riots at the U.S. Guantanamo navy base in Cuba and some could be found inside undertaking "sabotage." My personal favorite is the following (Bamford is quoting original documents): "'We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba'"; "'casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation'".

This last stroke of genius of course alluded to the battleship Maine, which exploded in 1898. It is nice to see that our protectors actually study American history. Bamford adds, quoting from the documents, "'Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft could appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the Government of Cuba'".

Another proposal involved registering U.S. citizens on a civil flight and then substituting for it a drone, which would be shot down over Cuba - the Cubans being touchy about their airspace, unlike normal countries. As late as 1963, U.S. attacks on Caribbean nations like Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago, which could be blamed on Cuba, were considered



With protectors like these(JCs) who will protect us from our protectors

[maveric]

12. I was sold on the mafia/LIHOP angle but after watching...

"The Men That Killed Kennedy" and the LBJ angle I'm leaning towards that.

[Maccagirl]

11. I can only tell you what I've heard

I was 7 when JFK died and between 1963 and 1973 the public at large didn't really question the Warren Commission and remember, the Zapruder film wasn't even shown on TV until March of '75. In very early 1973 (Watergate was still not on the national radar screen very much) I had an interesting conversation with my best friend. The night before, a family friend, who was a recently retired FBI agent had dinner at her house. Her father asked the FBI friend "What do you make of this Watergate story." The FBI man said "This can never leave this room-just think November 22, 1963." He went on to explain the history of Black Ops, etc. He also said that someone who had very close ties with Big Oil and the Intelligence communities "will merge the two together by being elected president someday." JFK was a maverick and "had to be taken care of." Lets see (scratching chin)-what future president does that sound like???

As for JFK's legacy-it's been trampled (I was going to use a nastier word) and I blame a majority of the American people for letting it die. Sorry for being so negative-but I'm in a very bad mood today.

[tom_paine]

13. The Busheviks killed JFK, RFK, MLK

Just another "lucky trifeca" for the Bush Crime Family, back when they were just a bogata in the Nixon Crime Family.

Just like JFK Jr, =, Carnahan and Wellstone broke the back of Democratic Senatorial Control and insured that the name of Kennedy would never again endanger Imperial Family profits.

From the CIA assassination manual...

"Killing a political leader whose burgeoning career is a clear and present danger to the cause of freedom may be held necessary."

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Documents/Assassination%20Manual.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/28/magazine/970528OLSON.html?ex=1069650000&en=91c755019feb4f09&ei=5070

Of course, the Bushevik Imperial version of freedom, THEIR freedom, differs quite substantially from the vision of the Founding Fathers and morer closely resembles Hitler's vision than it does the former.