Dean website spends too much time soliciting funds

[phirili]

Snip:
Our goal is to raise $360,000 by Tuesday at midnight --

Spip:
You have built the only campaign strong enough to take on George Bush and the $200 million he is raising to destroy his Democratic opponent.

http://www.deanforamerica.com/

Always angling for more funds to defeat his democratic opponents; while using Bush as the bait.

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Given he is not taking matching funds, that's not a bad thing....

Campaigns are expensive.

[ThorsteinVeblen]

2. That's right

Dean should stop raising money immediately.

Bad, bad Dean.

[phishhead]

3. I think you're on to something!

Politicians like to raise money! Wow.

[IndianaGreen]

4. They all raise funds, but some take money from the corporations

is that what you like, political whores? How about those that are so filthy rich that don't need anyone else's money? How could they relate to those that have to work for a living?

[buycitgo]

9. gee, isn't this, the what, third bogus thread started by phirili?

correct me if I'm wrong (don't have search function)

and forgive me if I'm wrong.

but does anybody in the media comment about how much time the chimpanzee spends raising money.

here's a thought:

could Bush make a commitment to go to one GI funeral for, say, every FIVE fundraisers he attends?

he should be able to cover all 400 plus in pretty short order, yes?


and phirili, or whatever your name is, what threads HAVE you started?

please fill us in?

apologies if I'm wrong, but that name sticks as one who's started real oinker threads

[Name removed]

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[RetroLounge]

85. third bogus thread started by phirili??

Yes, and the other two got locked.

Tells you all you need to know...

[Julien Sorel]

17. Corporations can't donate to candidates.

Are we about to see more Deanite propaganda about how their candidate is so upright and anti-corporate that he won't be receiving one penny of corporate money? I thought that one finally expired a couple of months ago, but here it is again, like a bad penny, if you'll excuse the pun.

[HFishbine]

31. Dream on

Your head is in the sand if you think corporations can't donate to candidates. They cannot write a check directly from their corporate coffers to a campaign, so they set up corporate and industry PACs which are legally allowed to donate to a candidate.

[SahaleArm]

68. PAC's have limitations - Soft money was the bigger issue

In 2000 PAC's were not a high percentage of funding: http://www.opensecrets.org/2000elect/source/AllCands.htm

Al Gore won with Federal Funds: http://www.opensecrets.org/2000elect/index/AllCands.htm

[Demobrat]

5. Yeah, what a rat fink.

That reminds me, I need to go give the rat fink some more cheese.

[Cha]

19. Did you get that nice little Dean

membership card in the mail today! I give our campaign PROPS for inovative ways to give money!

[Demobrat]

22. No, I didn't get mine yet.

I got a bat pen, though. I have no idea what that was for.

[slinkerwink]

6. How DARE Dean ask his supporters, instead of corporations, for money?!?!

I swear I'll send that man more money to protest!!!

[Padraig18]

10. I am so angry...

... I can barely hold the pen still enough to write the check. :P

[Rose Siding]

7. We have a winner here!

This is the most humorous complaint about Howard Dean I have ever seen.

[Cha]

12. "Humorous"? ..that wasn't the description that

popped into my mind..but you are too kind.

[Padraig18]

13. Humorous? Lame?

I can't make up my mind. :P

[Liberal Veteran]

15. Dean campaign spends too much time talking about politics!!!!

And he is always pointing to Bush and using him as bait!! What is the world coming to?

[Cha]

21. I don't know but I bet they love Dean in

England!

"George Galloway delivers a great line: "God bless the people of America, but God damn George Bush!"

[Scott Lee]

27. Dean spends too much time on issues! Not fair to others!

The sky is falling!

[gristy]

8. How does a website "spend time" at anything?

OK, maybe you are put off by him asking for money every time you go there to review his position papers and latest press releases. But money makes this machine go. I don't fault him for it.

[Zynx]

11. From Kerry's Site:

"Every dollar you contribute will go into our effort to remove George Bush from office and replace his Administration with a Kerry Administration that respects and protects our freedoms, our environment, our values, and our future. Please complete the form below to make a secure online contribution to my campaign. "

https://contribute.johnkerry.com/?team=54

Exactly the same thing. Do some research next time.

[Cha]

14. But that wouldn't be "knee jerk".

[CarlBallard]

16. That sounds OK to me

I mean really, I'm a Clarkie and I don't understand your complaint.

[Padraig18]

18. His complaint is this:

He's supporting another candidate, and is running out of cheap shots to take at Gov. Dean.

[CarlBallard]

There are legit complaints

About Dean (and Clark and everybody else). F'erinstance I don't think any of the top candidates are calling for universal health care, even though it should be a basic tenant for anybody running as a Dem. While I like that Dean has a plan to ensure children, similar to what he did in VT, unless its a step toward something larger, it isn't enough. Also I'm not sure a balanced budget in and of itself is a good thing (although better than what Bush has done obviously). But complaining that Dean raises money? And that he attacks Bush when he does it as opposed to being more divisive within the party? I think folks who aren't supporting Dean can do better.

[Hep]

46. Thanks

I really liked your post. I believe that Dean's positions on things like healthcare DO serve as a step towards what *I* want to see. At the least, it appears to be a plan that has a great chance of getting passed through congress. And on a balanced budget, even if Clinton was a pipe dream, an economic anomaly, I think Dean's belief that balancing the budget is the key to economic stability deserves a good look. If it doesn't work, I'll have to concede that.

[CarlBallard]

57. Balanced Budget

I guess my problems with the BB are twofold (two fold?). First I think that when the economy is sputtering short term budget deficits are the way to go. They stimulate the economy in a way that increased taxes or cutting government programs (to balance the budget) can't.

Second is the political problem with balanced budgets. When the economy is strong and there isn't a great need to spend money (eg. a war) it is a good idea to balance the budget. The thing is that a balanced budget is an abstraction. The unemployed, the uninsured, the people who are barely scraping by on two jobs have bigger concerns from the government than if the budget is balanced or not. When Clinton went to balance the budget, he didn't do it as an end to itself, he talked about how it would help secure Social Security and Mediacare. He talked about how it would lower interest rates and make home ownership easier. For Dean, and too much of the Democratic establishment, the balanced budget seems to be an end in itself.

[pruner]

20. don't vote for any of these guys either…they've all got contribution pages

not only that… they all seem intent on using the money they collect to oust Bush from office.

the worst part is that some of them even use clever techniques to raise the money.

:crazy:

Kerry: https://contribute.johnkerry.com/?team=53

Clark: https://secure.clark04.com/

Edwards: https://secure.ga3.org/03/turkey

Gephardt: https://secure.ga3.org/03/generaldonate

[phirili]

25. Lack of balance; just seems to be overreaching for funds

instead of focusing on the issues. For instance, where is Dean's position statement on the current Medicare bill before Congress?

[pruner]

28. for instance:

A Special Interests Boondoggle Disguised as a Prescription Drug Bill

DETROIT--Governor Howard Dean, M.D., issued the following statement today:

“This morning, using some of the most aggressively partisan tactics seen on Capitol Hill in recent memory, the Republican leadership strong-armed through the House a special-interest boondoggle disguised as a prescription drug bill for seniors. They fought and twisted arms for nearly three hours until succeeding by the barest of margins. I strongly oppose this bill, which will make Medicare weaker, not better--and I urge the Senate to defeat it.

"Forty-one million seniors must wait years before this program begins. Millions will pay higher premiums and millions will lose their employer-based coverage. Many will barely get coverage -- less than a quarter on the dollar. Drug prices will continue skyrocketing and HMOs will reap billions in subsidies.

"We can do much, much better. Building on this empty shell of a bill, we must push Congress to do more. We must use the power of 41 million seniors to lower drug prices. We must guarantee affordable, universal coverage. We must allow Americans to import safe and affordable drugs.

"America's seniors worked hard all their lives, contributed their dues and were promised a real Medicare prescription drug benefit. As President, I would deliver on that promise."

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002361.html

[phirili]

45. Exactly my point; this should be front center on his web page, instead

of his mid-night deadline

[pruner]

47. couldn't be bothered to check the PR archive @ the link you provided?

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 17, 2003

Statement by Governor Dean on Prescription Drug Bill

BALTIMORE--Democratic presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean, M.D., issued the following statement today:

"The Republican Medicare drug bill is a real-life HMO: Huge Missed Opportunity. Instead of taking this opportunity to come together and provide a meaningful drug benefit seniors can count on, Republicans and the White House have put the interests of the drug industry and HMOs ahead of the best interests of older Americans.

"This bill drives seniors out of traditional Medicare into heavily subsidized private drug HMOs. Under this plan, seniors could end up paying more out of pocket than they receive in benefits, and retirees could end up losing valuable drug benefits that they worked hard to earn. And the poorest seniors -- 6 million or more -- would have worse coverage than today, yet be forced to pay more for it.

"Just as with the war, politicians in Washington will be under enormous political pressure -- this time from the White House, drug lobbyists and HMOs who are mounting a full court press to pass this special interest boondoggle. But, just as with the war and NCLB, the damage this bill causes to our seniors will come back to haunt this administration and those who support it for years to come. I urge Democrats to stand up for our seniors and stand strong against the special interests and political pressure. We will have a Medicare prescription drug benefit in this country that works for our seniors only when we change Washington, change presidents, challenge corporate special interests and change the direction of this country."

[Padraig18]

51. Where is YOUR candidate's position staement, phirili?

Is it dead-center on the front page of his/her website? Well, is it?

[Hep]

54. Lemme get this straight

Something 5 days old should be front and center on his website rather than, say, something new?

OK, duly noted. Thanks for your input.

[Padraig18]

29. Where is *your candidate's* position statement?

Hmmm...?

[dsc]

35. It took me a few seconds to find this

It was desceptively hidden in the deviously named Press Release section. Since he had issued it several days ago it was retired to the press release part of the web site.

Statement by Governor Dean on Prescription Drug Bill

He opposes it BTW but I will let you find it.

[Demobrat]

37. I was just about to post it for him.

But I like your approach better.

[Hep]

41. Like he's gonna do it?

He was already at the website and couldn't hit a link.

[phirili]

48. Can you find Dean's Iowa fundraiser speech?

[Padraig18]

53. Where is YOUR candidate's IA speech, phirili?

Hmmm? Well, where is it? Link?

[Rose Siding]

55. Yes

third down under "most watched"

http://www.c-span.org/

Why?

[Hep]

56. There's an article about it on the blog

Quotes and everything.

http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/002358.html#more

[phirili]

72. Just saw requests for donations. Kindly post it here.

[Hep]

91. Kindly look it up

lazy guy. I posted the link and everything. All you have to do is click. You can click, right?

[pruner]

58. can you answer a fucking question?

you have dodged every question put forward in reply to this idiotic thread.

[Padraig18]

60. Yes, he surely has

This whole thread has all the subtlety of a poison-pen letter...

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[dsc]

67. Huh?

That isn't what you asked for. You asked for his opinion on the Medicare bill and I directed you to it.

[Hep]

39. Uh, well, it is right here:

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

Second item down.

Thanks for taking the time to look for it.

[Hep]

23. I'm amazed that you even bothered to visit

Yet not amazed that you didn't make it past the first page.

[Hep]

24. BEST THREAD EVER!

There is more comedy in this thread than any I've seen outside of the Lounge.

[Cha]

33. We're in a fiesty mood!

:P

[phirili]

36. Short term $$$ goals for Tuesday night, then another for Saturday mid-day

What's the overall $$$$ goal? Does Dean need $300,000,000? Tell me now instead of trying to create imaginery emergencies, like "I need the money ASAP", day in and day out.

[pruner]

38. who are you supporting?

you must disclose that info or I will ask that this thread be locked.

[Padraig18]

42. He's obviously ABD.

:shrug:

[Hep]

43. He told you weeks, months ago.

He's said it repeatedly. And with the increased response the goal gets larger and larger. On Leno he said "We're gonna get 1 million people to donate $77." And last week he said, "We're gonna get 2 million people to donate $100."

And as you can see, it's working. This is unprecedented. No one expected any D to be able to compete with Bush, and Dean is doing it one donation at a time. Why one would fault him for it is beyond imagination, but not really, KWIM?

[gristy]

44. Hey phirili

You want emergencies? Read the front page of your paper. You'll get new ones each day, all a result of the chimp's actions and/or inactions. The biggest emergency ain't over until dumbya is voted out of office.

[Nazgul35]

50. I think I can clear a few things up....

based upon the previous posts and the failure to even understand what is going on in the graphic from the Dean web site on raising money.....you are a little confused....

The money at the top is the amount we are trying to raise....by midnight Tuesday as it says....the second amount is how much we have raised at the time listed below the amount....

So to read the graphic correctly, the Dean campaign wants to raise 300,000 by Tuesday midnight and has raised 276,000+ as of 7pm Saturday....ok.....hope that clears it up......

And since you have so few posts and your apparent lack of understanding about what goes on on the Dean website, let me clue you in....the last money raiser was for Halloween.....prior to that was the end of the quarter when we almost raised 15 million (14.8 damn!!!!)...prior to that (about a month before...say Sept.) we raised cash to run some ads in Texas....

But you're right....let's not raise so much money or we might beat Bush next year....

And you still havent declared who you support.....

[Demobrat]

59. You forgot how the Dean campaign ruthlessly exploited

his birthday as a blatant fundraising opportunity.

[Padraig18]

61. OMG, how awful!

*gasp* :P

[Cha]

66. And Joe Trippi's on June 10th! They got me that

time too..couldn't resist that charmer :P

[RetroLounge]

84. and it really pisses you off that he gets the $ too

doesn't it.

Whiney crybabies.

Oh, and thanks for the reminder to send Dean more money :)

Oh and one more thing... _|_

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[tinanator]

32. they do something else?

anything?

[Cha]

34. Search and Discover!

http://www.deanforamerica.com
http://www.blogforamerica.com

[tinanator]

90. Throw money

thats it Im changing the name of the album to "Throw Money"...

[Woodstock]

40. You're right. Money doesn't matter at all. Bad Dean.

Dean can beat Bush, who has oh, a zillion dollars or so, just by projecting his message telepathically into the minds of voters.

[Demobrat]

52. No. All he has to do

is brainwash all his 500,000 or so supporters into telling all their family and friends that if they don't all vote for Dean they're going to get up in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner and turn the table over. Then, repeat as needed for Xmas, birthdays, weddings, etc. There. Guaranteed Dean votes, all for cheap.

[CWebster]

49. I'm shocked, another Dean bashing thread from a Clarkie.

ho hum.

[phirili]

63. Proud to be associated with General Clark, a man willing to die for US

[Egnever]

64. wiling to die for sure

for us perhaps.

some people just like that kinda stuff you know?

[Padraig18]

65. And threads like this help your candidate HOW, exactly?

:shrug:

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[phirili]

74. That's exactly what Dean should say; instead of using a medical

excuse.

[slinkerwink]

62. this is a dumb thread.....

:eyes:

[phirili]

69. My bad! Heard Dean may be giving funds to Unfused Vertebrae Foundation

[oxymoron]

76. agreed....this is a dumb thread.

But why do the Deanites always take the bait?

[HuckleB]

73. Fundraising is the reality for now.

If the Dems win, perhaps things can change. But the Dems have to do it with money for now, at least in part. Dean knows this, and he's done well. Whoever wins the nomination can learn from the Dean campaign on this matter...

[phirili]

77. I agree fundraising is necessary; but not to the point of obsession

where substance on the issues are not given the headlines, where your website is filled with requests for deadline funds, and when you are way ahead of your democratic rivals in terms of fundraising.

[HuckleB]

78. I don't think it's like that...

there is a great deal of substance on the site. At least as much as any of the other Dems, and my e-mail from the candidates indicates that the entire group is doing its share of fundraising. Dean's e-mail is among the more substantive in terms of issues, in my opinion, thus far. Further, he's ahead in terms of money because his strategies have worked well. You might not like the strategies, but we can't ignore what works. We can't afford four more years of *.

[phirili]

80. Democratic winner gets to tap into to Soros millions; Dean seems to need

an extraordinary amount of funds to bash his Democratic opponents.

[HuckleB]

82. Since...

most of the negative bashing made thus far is aimed at Dean, that's a bizarre statement to make. Dean's message is focused against Bush and pro-positive policy changes. He happens to be running a successful fund-raising campaign. It's necessary. Further, Soros' money is not going to be all that much in the big picture, so let's not offer up a red herring to distract from the real story.

[calimary]

75. What the hell is wrong with that? He BETTER spend too much time

soliciting funds. He has a 200 million dollar rethug war chest to face. Unfortunately, that has to be the way it is, as long as the rethugs can raise as much as they do. We good guys can't fight them if we run out of money!!!!!!!!

[maggrwaggr]

79. my car spends entirely too much time burning gas while it drives

what do you think runs his campaign?

[caledesi]

81. So when did soliciting funds become a problem? nt

[RetroLounge]

83. So what's your point?

or are you just in the habit of flamebait?

OOH! Lookie there, a politician raising money?

Bad Dean. Bad Dean.

What a transparent phuck of a bullshit thread.

Let me guess, Clarkie?

[poskonig]

86. I don't mind.

Raising money to whup Bush is actually kinda fun.

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[salin]

89. Come on.. all democrats should raise no money!

Indeed there is no value in demonstrated and paving the way for other democrats to use more heavily direct fundraising pleas effectively rather than leaning on special interests and pacs.

There was a DUer running for state office last fall in Florida who described the expected mix (based on other party officials estimates and past experiences) to be about 80% or more from special interests as opposed to individual donors. This was not about chosing to be beheld to those interests, but about the (then) realities of attempting to fundraise by nonaffiliated (nonpac) individuals over the groups that could bundle bigger amounts of money.

Dean or no Dean, he has changed the contemprorary conventional wisdom about fundraising. He is NOT the first to take his appeal to the people (think Brown and his 800 number in 1992, and McCain and the internet in 2000). He is the first to be so prolifically successful at it - to move from marginalized candidate in the middle (or in terms of recognition the bottom) of the pack - to one of the front runners in the matter of months. A big part of that rise (sorry Dean fans) was due to the ability to raise this amount of money from individual voters and the coverage that followed.

I hope that the major democratic strategists and consultants don't dismiss the Dean phenomenon, but instead learn from and improve upon the methods. It would benefit all candidates - not just the presidential candidates.

Just my two cents.