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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:01 PM
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So what's up with Iron Hammer?
Are they still hammerin?
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:05 PM
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1. oops…
Edited on Sat Nov-22-03 09:05 PM by pruner
wrong thread.

:)
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sweettater Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:05 PM
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2. I think the donkey carts
threw them off abit. Trying to regroup. There certainly is no humor to this but donkey carts!?!? :eyes:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:24 PM
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3. Is that really one of the Nazi Army name for one of theirattacks?
I heard that on TV. What is it with all those names any how? Do we have a General at DOD that has a campany of name makers? Do they wear a 'thesaurus' patch?Does anyone really recall the names? D-Day is just that. We do not call it the DOD name for it. This is just Bush's war. Is the US and Germans the ones that do this? I can see a 'term paper study' coming out of this.These silly names for wars are really getting me up-tight.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:35 PM
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6. Project Eisenhammer
The operation, known as Plan Iron Hammer, was the 1943 brainchild of Professor Steinmann of the German Aviation Ministry, who had pointed out the benefit of raiding selected points in the Soviet infrastructure in order to damage the whole. Iron Hammer was meant to attack the Soviets' Achilles' heel--their electrical generation turbines. The Soviets relied on a haphazard system of electrical supply with no integrated grid, which revolved around a center near Moscow that supplied 75 percent of the power to the armament industry. The Germans sought to destroy an entire factory system in one quick blow.

The mission called for KG 200 to launch strikes against power plants at Rybinsk and Uglich and the Volkhovstroi plant on Lake Ladoga. The planes were to drop Sommerballon (summer balloon) floating mines. In theory, a Sommerballon would ride the water currents until it was pulled straight into the hydroelectric turbines of a dam, but the weapon never performed as designed. In addition, the unit soon became short on fuel, and the operation was halted.

Iron Hammer was resurrected in February 1945, with several new twists. The Soviets had overrun all the advance bases included in earlier planning, so the attack would have to be launched from bases near Berlin and on the Baltic. Mistels would now be the primary weapon. Furthermore, Iron Hammer had become a part of a master strategy to regain the initiative in the East. After the strike rendered the Soviet production centers impotent, the Wehrmacht would wait until the Soviets had exhausted their front-line materiel. Freshly rearmed Waffen SS divisions would swarm northward from western Hungary, attempting to drive straight to the Baltic Sea and catch the advance elements of the Red Army in a huge pincer movement. After the Soviets had been eliminated and Central Europe was safe, the Germans would negotiate a separate peace with the Western Allies, and the struggle against Bolshevism could be continued. Iron Hammer was never launched, however. American daylight raiders destroyed 18 Mistels at the Rechlin-Laerz air base. With this main strike force gone, the entire mission was rendered moot even before Iron Hammer was officially canceled.

http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsecretkg3.htm
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 10:11 PM
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8. You are misinformed. I by D-Day you are refering to the
Allied invasion at Normandy on June 6 1944, it was codenamed Operation Overlord. All militaries of any competency have names for plans. Since the U.S. military has had thousands of plans, and since the German military of WWII had to have had hundreds of plans, and since all armies like to use "strong" names, (Hey, have you ever heard of operation Bunny Hug?)then simple laws of probablility say that there should be some operations that have the same names.

Of course I doubt that reason will make anybody take their tin foil hats off. If you have already decided that there is a conspiracy then it is like a religion, to be believed at all costs.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:26 PM
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4. Whelp...Whenever the Pentago has a really bad idea...
like terror futures & a ministry of disinformation

They usually say they're disbanding it, then media puts it to bed, so they can go ahead with the plan.
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BenZodiac Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:32 PM
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5. ....
Well, the division that is leading Operation Iron Hammer is the 1st Armored Division, whose nickname is "Old Ironsides".

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-03 09:36 PM
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7. Welcome to DU, BenZodiac.
That's true, but somebody ought to be googling names before they commit to them. Using the name of a former Nazi operation is just plain stupid public relations.
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