Ann Coulter versus Alan Dershowitz

[Field Of Dreams]

Thanksgiving Day 1pm eastern time ... debating the role of the Supreme Court.

How fitting ... there is no bigger turkey than Ann!

[wryter2000]

1. OMG

I have to see that. Do you suppose she'll cancel at the last minute?

[wryter2000]

2. Welcome

Welcome, btw. :hi:

[Field Of Dreams]

7. Thank you!

This could be better than Thanksgiving football!

[ColumbusGirl]

3. What channel?

Gotta program the TiVo. I'll be with Republicans in Dayton. Oy!

[Field Of Dreams]

4. I forgot to mention ... it is on C-SPAN

It looks like she showed ... C-SPAN showed a clip of both of them behind podiums in the same room!!!

[bluestateguy]

5. He'll kick her anorexic ass

She'll see that this isn't like debating Alan Colmes.

[terrya]

6. I take it that this is on C-Span?

I'd love to see this. I hope Alan Dershowitz wipes the floor with that hateful woman!

Welcome, Field of Dreams! :-)

[Field Of Dreams]

8. Thank you! Yes ... C-SPAN

[Eric J in MN]

9. Since Alan Dershowitz said he supports torture

Since Alan Dershowitz said he supports torture, I haven't respected him.

[Julien Sorel]

10. He's almost a complete piece of shit, but he'll destroy Coulter.

She isn't even close to being in his league intellectually, and he's as monomaniacal as she is. If it's on the net I might watch it for laughs.

[Liberator_Rev]

14. Excuse me but where's the Liberal Orthodoxy Creed ?

Since when is a Liberal with the credentials of Alan Deshowitz become "almost a complete piece of shit" just because the man doesn't subscribe to every last Liberal position that you do. Who the hell is going to be LEFT, if we demand that every last Liberal agree on every last position??? Are you sure that YOU wont be considered "almost a complete piece of shit" because of one of YOUR reservations.

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[sujan]

16. torture can be a good thing

[DUreader]

19. Sounds kinky

[solinvictus]

11. Al dershowitz

Is not any better than Coulter. He's advocated torture of terrorist suspects and the curtailment of civil liberties, especially the 2nd Amendment. He is a left authoritarian from the ivory tower of academia.

[library_max]

12. What about the 3rd Amendment?

What does Dershowitz say about the 3rd Amendment? which is every bit as relevant as the 2nd in today's America.

[solinvictus]

15. Without the 2nd Amendment, the rest are worthless....

And the Founders knew this from hard experience. Hey, for that matter, why don't we trash them all and let the government decide everything for us? We don't need rights with the state to look after us.

[DBoon]

18. Ask former Black Panthers about guns

and how worthwhile they are in fighting "the man". The few who have survived would tell you this was their biggest mistake.

Merely because the second amendment gives us the right to own firearms does not mean that doing so really protects any other rights.

[DUreader]

20. Tell it to the Bolivians, who only had to block the roads

just as willing to lay down their lives

[library_max]

22. But what about the 3rd Amendment?

Without the 3rd Amendment, all the others are even more worthless. My saying so makes it so.

[solinvictus]

24. 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment is for the express purpose of giving free citizens the effective means of self-defense, ie: small arms. If we are, in fact, ever subject to martial law, the 3rd may actually re-emerge as an issue because troops and police have to sleep somewhere.

My point about the 2nd Amendment is this: individuals are given the right to own small arms for the express purpose of preventing government tyranny. Here are some of the Founders' opinions on the matter:
"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

"No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Proposed Virginia Constitution, 1776, Jefferson Papers 344

...arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property...Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived the use of them.

-- Thomas Paine, Thoughts on Defensive War, 1775

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.

-- George Mason, during Virginia's ratification convention, 1788

The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.

-- James Madison, The Federalist #46

[library_max]

29. But what about the vital 3rd Amendment?

When Jefferson, Madison, Paine, and Mason were writing, the 3rd Amendment was still vitally important. And obviously nothing could have changed since that time to make their views on the subject anachronistic and irrelevant. Surely not. So the 3rd Amendment is as crucial today as it was in the late 18th Century - must be, according to the logic of post #24.

[solinvictus]

31. By that rationale

How is the 1st Amendment relevant? At best, it creates a divisive political and social atmosphere with it's encouragement of pluralism. It harms the public good by fostering conflicts of policy. It is a needless justification for acts of obscenity and sedition in our society. It should be abolished as it is an outmoded roadblock in creating an orderly nation. Also, why bother with the 4th Amendment, Library? If the people are truly law abiding, then there is no compelling interest in preventing the authorities to search at random or by design. If the subject in question is found to be a participant in a crime by said authorities, why should their property NOT be forfeit to the state? And the 5th Amendment, it is nothing more than a legal stumbling block that is keeping criminals from being duly prosecuted for either future or existing crimes. The 6th and 7th Amendments? Why, in this modern era, do we need public trials by jury? Juries are not to be trusted, especially in this time of grave national emergency, to render indictments or verdicts. The commoner has neither the mental faculties nor the effective moral judgement to render any opinion on criminal or civil matters. Public trials are not needed as well, let Joe Sixpack and Jane Soccermom watch "Temptation Island" if they want entertainment. Bail is nothing more than a legal means of criminals to escape and as such, get rid of it as well.

How about it? Ready to scrap the entire Bill of Rights? We're at war, Library, and because of the extenuating circumstances, we don't need the Bill of Rights. We should, as good Americans, trust our government and the current administration 100%, any deviation from this is bordering sedition.

[wtmusic]

13. leave the TV off

Not necessary to patronize Coulter or give her the attention she seeks. Ever.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

17. dershowitz

ia a pro-torture likud party apologist and isn't much etter than ann

[MoonRiver]

21. Distinguished Law Professor versus Class Clown Ditz

Should be a good one! :7

[Scott Lee]

25. Dershowitz the warmongering Sharonist

He walks like a liberal! He squawks like a liberal! He dines like a liberal! But is he one? NOOoooooo he's

Alan Dershowitz - PSEUDOLIBERAL!

Wagging his finger of justice against conservatives while pimping their war, he stands tall as a tireless vanguard of all that is halfbaked and almost there!

Accessories sold separately, not available in Oregon.

[IndianaGreen]

26. How could this be "versus" by any stretch of the imagination?

Anthrax Annie and Dershowitz both support torture and assassination as legitimate tools of government.

:puke:

[karlschneider]

27. Yep. Dersh is no liberal. He's proof that assholes can be good lawyers.

:eyes:

[library_max]

30. And because they agree (sort of) on one issue

that makes them identical, right? We've already forgotten Supreme Injustice: How the High Court Hijacked Election 2000.

Some of the "thinking" on DU scares me. :scared:

[Cat Atomic]

28. Wow- maybe next they can have Hannity debate Limbaugh.