Kerrys new vision or a Dean carbon copy?

[pruner]

The new vision for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry sounds a lot like the old Howard Dean, the New Hampshire front-runner.

On several occasions in recent weeks, Kerry’s stronger words were similar if not identical to Dean’s own on the stump.

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For example:

- Doing better

Kerry: “We can do better than we’re doing today.” (Remarks in Hampton on Wednesday.)

Dean: “I am running for president because we can do better. We need to do better. The American people deserve a better deal.” (Remarks to union plumbers in Des Moines, Iowa, on July 30.)

- Having power

Kerry: “If we don’t go out of here believing the power that each of us has to be able to make a difference in our country . . . You have that power! You can pick up the telephone and call your neighbors.” (Remarks in Franklin on Oct. 13.)

Dean: “You have the power to change this country so we can believe in ourselves again, so we can have a foreign policy in which we’re not just the most powerful nation on earth because we have a powerful military, we’re the most powerful nation on earth because people want to be like us again. You have the power.” (Remarks July 22 in Portsmouth.)

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[Closer]

1. Hell, just look at Kerry's webpage

to see how much he's copying Dean.


I guess it's supposed to be flattering?

[IndianaGreen]

2. Kerry's only vision is to salvage his moribund campaign

Kerry should hang it up. Those that won't come to Dean, will certainly come to Clark. Unlike Kerry, Clark is clear on the issues and is correct on the Iraq war.

[phirili]

3. What's Brush Dean position on the Biden-Lugar IWR

[drfemoe]

10. Dean's position

is to protect our country. He supported the UN resolution for inspections and disarmament.
No one realized that rounding up all the donkeys in Ira* would be part of disarmament.

[blm]

24. and that differs from Kerry's position how?

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[Eloriel]

4. And this has been going on for months now

It's by no means a new phenomenon.

Others have "borrowed" from Dean too, tho Kerry has been the biggest appropriator.

Eloriel

[Renew Deal]

5. He has also stolen from Clark.

He made Clark's if you like guns, join the army comment at the Rock The Vote event.

[Scott Lee]

6. Kerry can't use what he can't steal.

It's a pattern of behavior for this guy. Remember he stole the "Bush carrier footage" idea from the Dean campaign.

What an uncreative bore. He thinks he's entitled to the nomination. Screw him.

[JI7]

7. no he didn't

kerry's ad came out first. dean only said he was going to use it, but kerry's ad was already out and it was planned long before.

[paulk]

8. Mr. Lee

You are completely wrong on this count. Kery's ad was already in production when the Dean campaign announced it's intention to use the Bush carrier footage.

[JI7]

11. here you go

the below is a link to an article on dean campaigns news they "plan" to use the footage in their ad, meaning it hasn't been made yet.this is dated the 8th of november

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2003/11/08/to_dean_a_bush_image_is_fodder/

john kerry's ad was released on november 10th. not just an idea to use the footage, but the actual ad with the carrier footage.

and the below is a link to an article from november 4th which has a kerry campaign person saying they will use the footage in ads.

"Meanwhile, Republicans said that it was increasingly unlikely that Bush would use the footage of his "Top Gun" landing on the carrier in a campaign commercial.

But would the Democrats consider using it in an attack ad?

"Yes," said Jim Margolis of GMMB, who is making television commercials for the presidential campaign of Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. "


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2003/11/04/2003074544

[oasis]

14. Thanks for setting the record straight. When we finally have a nominee

all camps on DU will hopefully work together.

[Scott Lee]

25. Do you know how long it takes to bang a spot together?

Well since I work in multimedia I can tell you...much less than two days with existing footage (given your story, you had a two day spread in there).

Kerry is one of the most uncreative people I have seen. His campaign seems unmotivated, un-led. Would I look around for ideas to steal if I were Kerry? You bet!

[JI7]

26. article dated november 4th, before dean announced

the article dated november 4th, which was before dean said he would use the carrier footage has kerry's ad guy saying he will use it. dean's announcement came on the 8th.

[Scott Lee]

29. So there's no way the Dean camp could have contrived that before

the 8th, is that what you're claiming?

Didn't you see the thread about inter campaign "spies" earlier?

[paulk]

9. Has the Dean campaign accused Kerry of plagerism?

Because I don't understand this part of the article -


"Kerry campaign spokesman Mark Kornblau released statements to demonstrate that Kerry has been speaking this way in some cases for months.

“It’s ludicrous for the Howard Dean campaign to think it somehow owns the English language,” Kornblau said.

“You will never hear John Kerry say what Howard Dean said about the Confederate flag.”"


Was Kerry's spokesman responding to the Dean campaign or to the author of the article?

[drfemoe]

12. I really doubt it

Since he's repeating what Dean has been saying for awhile, why would Dean care?

[paulk]

13. then who is Kornbleu

responding to? Why would Kerry's spokesman make a statement?

Is the author of the piece himself accusing Kerry of "stealing" from Dean, or is the accusation coming from the Dean camp?

[drfemoe]

28. why don't you ask the reporter

for chris's sake?

There is NOTHING on the Dean site nor has there been any mention in the yahoo groups about Dean saying ANYTHING about Kerry parroting him.

Don't be such an easy mark for 'journalism'.

[paulk]

30. so you're saying that this isn't credible journalism?

That maybe this is just one reporter's opinion? And he reported it in a way to make it seem like a bigger story, where a Kerry spokesman had to release a "statement" defending Kerry?

[robsul82]

15. Get the Xerox machine...

...because Kerry's huffing the toner fumes again.

Later.

RJS

[DrFunkenstein]

16. Um, "We Can Do Better" Was Kerry's Major Theme Early On

He repeated it endlessly, and I know off the top of my head that it was prevalent in his January foreign policy speech, becuase I just read it over again this morning.

[JI7]

23. yes it was, he said it often

.

[DrFunkenstein]

17. Trippi Recycled Most Dean Slogans From Old Campaigns

The footprints of some schlock Democratic Party Svengali--probably Trippi--were visible at every turn in the Dean voyage. There was the Grassroots Express itself, of course. This was one of the details that I found hardest to reconcile with the widespread belief that Dean is "different" and "not a typical politician." When you name your campaign vehicle the Grassroots Express, while one of your opponents (John Edwards) has a bus named the Real Solutions Express and a candidate from a rival party (John McCain) four years ago had one called the Straight Talk Express...well, you haven't worked very hard to be different.

Then there was the Imageering 101 political staging, a subject of much snickering in the press pool. At most every stop Dean had a statistically accurate multicultural microcosm await his arrival on stage, usually against a background of a giant American flag. Milwaukee, the second stop on the tour, was the most painful: seventeen supporters of various races (in proper proportions: three blacks, two Hispanics, etc.), frozen and seemingly afraid to move or make a face against the backdrop of a mammoth Old Glory. Watching them wait for Dean gave me shivers; they looked like sausages nailed to a giant red, white and blue crucifix.

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There were other details: the plastic grass, the strange fact (compelling to several reporters) that Dean rolled up his sleeves in public but rolled them down and buttoned them when relaxing on the plane, the odd fuzziness and vacuity of certain parts of Dean's stump speech... It was not lost on some of us, for instance, that his wooden campaign slogan, "Take America Back," was also used by two other former Trippi candidates: Gephardt in 1988 and Jerry Brown in 1992.

Much of Dean's public presentation, in fact, is a rehash of other Democratic campaigns. He makes a joke about Bush being "all hat and no cattle," which was a laugh line in Gephardt's campaign speech earlier this year. And his closer line, "You have the power! You have the power! You have the power!" (delivered in the style of Jesse Jackson's "Keep Hope Alive!" bit) was a Gore line in 2000.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20031006&c=5&s=taibbi

Isn't it spooky that some people actually have a, you know, memory and all?

[oasis]

19. "You have the power" They lifted that line from faith healer, Benny Hinn.

:spank:

[_Jumper_]

18. Race, Dean, and Edwards

Didn't Dean also "borrow" saying he was going to make race an issue in his campaign from Edwards?

[DrFunkenstein]

20. Not To Mention Kerry's Foreign Policy Speech?

Right down to actual lines?

Remember Dean talking about we're not Romans? Sound familiar? Probably because you heard it in Kerry's speech a month earlier. And Dean's address still managed to sound like a half-assed version of Kerry's.

But, hey, I hear he has a cracker jack team of people telling him what his foreign policy should be. I'm sure glad he didn't vote for the IWR. That's really going to inform his 4 years as President (as if he could beat Bush).

[blm]

22. Dean lifted most of Kerry's environmental speech, too.

Cuz we all know that Kerry worked on environmental issues ACTIVELY for over 30 years and Dean has the WORST environmental record of ALL the Dems.

[blm]

21. Kerry was saying we could do better back in 2001

and throughout 2002.

But, then the media didn't allow him to be heard much, because they had their proBush marching orders. They kept the substance of Gore's criticism of Bush out of main press, too.

When Dean came around and the GOP saw its new Dem loose cannon, the media focused on him and Dems around the country thought they were finally hearing something new.

[Hep]

27. Oh, no.

This is bad thread. We already know that the right wing has an extensive vocabulary list in describing liberalism. Likewise, our candidates have an underlying message that helps to define our efforts. These are two phrases that every candidate should use. It IS up to us as individuals, and we CAN do better.

You're going to have to find more specific stuff than that. More unique to an individual's campaign. But I respectfully submit that you not bother.