Anti-Deaners are making me violently ill!!

[mrgorth]

You know whom I am speaking of. BLM, NewYorkerfromMass, Skwmom, etc (sorry if I misspelled screen names) are typical of this group. Their hatred or jealosy of Dean is so obvious it is rediculous. But why is it pissing me off so damned much? Because I see so little of it in the other direction. I am only speaking of myself here but I NEVER come on here to rip into another candidate. Do I like any of them as much as Dean? No, but neither do I make rediculous charges like the RNC is setting us up for a slam dunk.

Clark: My number 2. I like Clark a lot and if he was to come out with some obscure lefty position like singler payer or mandatory vacation I might switch to him. I am currently leaning towards, get this, a Clark/Dean ticket (Dean as VP).

Kerry: My number 3. I have a tremendous amount of respect for the man and I know he's done great things for the country. That said, yes, the IWR pisses me off and, frankly, Dean's passion has fired me up. I'll happily vote for Kerry if he's anywhere on the ticket and will work my butt of for a ticket with him on it. Also, for as smart and able as he is I still don't think he gets it campaign-wise. He seems to think he can say some nasty things about Dean and steal his thunder. It hasn't worked yet and it's not going to. He should learn this. If he wants to steal Dean's thunder he has to (and this is the tough part) out-Dean Dean. He has to go at Bush harder than Dean. Go into the AWOL stuff, Hart-Rudman, BFEE. True, if he doesn't get the nom. whoever does would then have that ammo to use but shouldn't they have it anyway? This is Kerry's only chance and it's ashame his campaign staff isn't getting it right.

Kucinich: Love to vote for him. Don't think he'll get the nom.

Edwards: I didn't like his IWR vote but I would work for him if on the ticket. I'd prefer his presence on a ticket with an anti-war dude.

Gep: "Stood shoulder to shoulder with the Pres." Yes, this is important to me. Look, I saw his Hardball thing. He seems like a good guy and, again, like Edwards, I'll work for him if he gets the nom but I'd like to see him paired with an anti-war guy.

Lieberman: I'm still not sure I could stomach voting for a ticket with Joe on it, esp. if the other half is pro-IWR. The war was wrong and we shouldn't be there. The anti-war faction of the dems NEEDS to be acknowledged. I'm sorry but Joe is rather conservative. The thing that turned me off the most was Joe's response to a question about health care plans in, I think, the 1st debate where he said (paraphrasing) that we couldn't do health care and had to go step by step. Translation: he thinks health care reform sounds too leftist and it scares him.

I'd happily vote for a ticket with Sharpton of CMB on it but I think Al will use Dean's flag remarks as means of revenge for getting Jesse Jr's endorsement.

WHY then can I, and it seems all Dean supporters, just work for our guy and offer to support the others when needed? Why no charges of RNC conspiracy theories from the Dean folks even when other candidates have supported RNC things like tax cuts and war? I, therefore, make this call to the Dean bashers to just conduct the freaking primaries without making up inane crap. Support your guy. Work for him and if he wins we'll help you. Right now you sound jealous and petty.

[slinkerwink]

1. yes, but it also goes one way.....

there's fewer Dean supporters that exhibit this vitriolic hatred, but since we're the frontrunner, we tend to draw most of the vitriol from other supporters from other campaigns.

It's called jealousy. ;-)

[blm]

12. I said Dean was a centrist back when he was even with Kucinich.

No jealousy. Just a crystal clear view of a man running differently than he governed. That doesn't bother you, but it bothers many longtime Democrats who do not trust hot rhetoric coming from a centrist.

[vi5]

13. ..there's fewer Dean supporters that exhibit this vitriolic hatred"

Are you serious with this? Has the level discourse really been reduced to what amounts to "U R Just Jel-us!"?

No wonder we are going to get spanked in November of '04.

[phirili]

2. Rush off and give Dean more money. That seems to be the to react.

[YEM]

3. Attacking each other won't accomplish anything.

I hope every single one of us gets behind the nominee. Becasue the thing that gets me more sick then anything else is the nimrod in office right now.

[Lady President]

4. It goes both ways

From a purely objective standpoint the insults between Kerry supporters and Dean supporters are pretty equal.

From my subjective viewpoint as a Kerry supporter it seems like there is far more bashing directed toward Kerry than any other candidate. I think everyone believes their candidate is the one getting the worst insults.

[mrgorth]

10. I wish I could agree

One response will say that Dean is too liberal. The next will see he's a rethug in sheep's clothing. The best is that the GOP and media are pushing him to crush us, as if they couldn't beat Lieberman easier. I don't see Kerry dealing with that. In one thread I saw HEP trying to point out the sillyness of the Dean bashing with satire, calling him the antichrist or something, so a basher followed up by saying not to mock things they honestly feel. You think Dean is evil? Gimme a break!

[HFishbine]

5. I don't think you're allowed

to call out other DUers. You might want to edit your post before it gets locked.

[helleborient]

6. Take a breather in the real world...

Where people have to deal with each other face to face...

Then come back...or just stay out there and campaign for Dean!!

[democratreformed]

16. Or take a lesson from this person

She (sorry if you're a he) actually had a civil converstaion with me and helped curtail some of my hurt feelings.

I, too, have seen irritating things and my first instinct sometimes is to jump right back. But, it really accomplishes nothing except to make me look stupid.

I guess the hardest thing for me is to just leave some negative statement about my candidate just hanging there for everyone to see. Sometimes, if the negative post, presents misleading info that is refutable, I will try to post facts that counter it. If it's just silliness, I think it's best just to leave it alone b/c the person posting it just wants to draw you into some stupid argument that is not winnable from either side. That's just not worth the energy.

[YNGW]

7. Take A Deep Breath

It's primary season. The candidates and supporters are supposed to attack each other, aren't they?

:kick:

dai

[billbuckhead]

15. Dean's one of our weakest candidates , perhaps weaker than Kucinich

He polls worse than any of the top tier candidates against Chimpy and comes from an all white state with less people than most urban counties. The guy shoots from the lip and admits to making a lot of mistakes. Furthermore, to be charitable, Dean's biography is weak compared to the other candidates.

[MoonAndSun]

8. DU has the "ignore" feature that I have used for some of the more

"aggressive" bashers. It makes coming to the candidate threads a bit more pleasant, it still gets pretty rowdy but I do not see the more virulent posts. They will not change my mind, nor would I change theirs, so why bother trying.

I will "un-ignore" those posters once the primaries are over with. You might want to try that route.

[blm]

9. Sayiong Dean is a centrist is a bash? Using Dean's own words and actions

is a bash? Noticing that Dean is running differently than he governed is a bash?

If you have problems with those things, then I guess you should take it up with Dean. I just happened to notice early on that his record didn't match his rhetoric. I have long distrusted the CATO Institute and anyone with a high rating from them should be examined carefully by ALL Democrats.

btw...you had no problem with the sick depths the Deanies went to smear Kerry as a "corrupt Washington insider" did you?

I never said Dean was corrupt, I only noticed the difference between his centrist governance and his populist rhetoric. YOU are happy with the disparity, I am not.

[mrgorth]

17. no

Saying Dean is a centirst is a bash?

No. I like that he's a centrist. If you want to say he's too centrist so you're voting for someone else, fine.

Using Dean's own words and actions is a bash?

Misconstruing things or taking them out of context is. For instance Kerry's use of Dean's gambit in one of the debates. If anyone believed Dean was trying to do what he was accused of they had to be an idiot. Using something Dean said 10 years ago and changed his mind on is stupid. People are allowed to change positions. I'd be scared if they didn't.

Noticing that Dean is running differently than he governed is a bash?

He's not running as a liberal, just a lot of liberals like him. He's running as a populist.

btw...you had no problem with the sick depths the Deanies went to smear Kerry as a "corrupt Washington insider" did you?

I would. Kerry is a DC insider but I've never heard him called corrupt, even by Deanies.

I never said Dean was corrupt, I only noticed the difference between his centrist governance and his populist rhetoric. YOU are happy with the disparity, I am not.

I think I am aware of where he is and am happy with it. I think I'm aware of where, say, Gep is and prefer it less. I don't know why we can't just work like that.

For instance, Dean supported NAFTA as governor. Why? It would help his state because of Canada. I don't see this as an issue and if you or your candidate was in the same situation I'm sure they would have done what was right for the people of their state. It's what you're supposed to do.

[bicentennial_baby]

11. From the DU rules:

"Do not talk negatively about an individual in a thread where they are not participating. Do not start a new discussion thread with the purpose of "calling out" another member or picking a fight with another member."

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[DemExpat]

14. Yes.....Locking...

DemEx DU Moderator