cloture happening?...

[creativelcro]

going on right now...

[Emboldened Chimp]

1. They're calling the roll...

yeah, 12 mins. and counting...

[MaineDem]

2. What are the odds of cloture passing AND the bill failing?

Will any of those voting for cloture vote against the bill when it comes to a vote?

[Emboldened Chimp]

5. Not sure

Cloture will most likely pass; but can the Dems still filibuster after a cloture vote?

[JI7]

12. no

bill will most likely pass . and those who vote for cloture usually vote for the bill.

[1songbird]

3. Thanks. I almost missed it watching Cspan 2

[bain_sidhe]

4. Just about to post this

Ya beat me to it!

[creativelcro]

7. anybody keeping

count?

[Walt Starr]

9. Is it possible they screwed with the repukes to mess up the count?

Could the nine Democrats have been a ruse?

[Egnever]

6. Crunch time comes now

After seeing all the polls on this I am amazed this is even close to being passed.

Lets cross our fingers and hold our breathe.

[Egnever]

8. ugh only 6 votes against

so far

[Walt Starr]

10. When it hits 60 for

it's a done deal

[Emboldened Chimp]

11. Wait, are they voting on the actual bill?

Or is it a cloture vote?

[JI7]

14. this is cloture vote

[WENSTJDON]

13. Wyden just voted aye

nt

[creativelcro]

15. Lieberman NO

[creativelcro]

16. hagel NO

[Snellius]

17. Hagel no Chafee no

.

[Egnever]

18. 3 minns to go doesnt sound good so far

this thing is going to a vote.

[creativelcro]

22. what happens when the clock reaches 0?

[Egnever]

28. if cloture is wining they swing the gavel

if it isnt they hold the vote open till they can get cloture jusat like they did in the house

[creativelcro]

35. Daschle YES...

[Baconfoot]

19. Where can I watch on the internet? n/t

[CheshireCat]

24. You can watch it

at URL:

http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp?0cv=c644

[creativelcro]

26. http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

Select the C-SPAN 2 channel

[Baconfoot]

37. Thanks! n/t

[dweller]

34. Cspan 2

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

dp

[Snellius]

20. Reid aye what?

.

[Egnever]

23. he voted for cloture

meaning he is ready to vote on this.

[Egnever]

21. christ Reid voted for cloture

do they have the votes to stop this?

[1songbird]

25. It's going to pass

Biden and Reid just voted in the affirmative.

[Egnever]

31. yup I think your right

They must have the votes to stop this lined up

[Khephra]

27. Biden--aye

Bayh -- no (that surprised this Hoosier)

Feinstein -- aye

[Snellius]

29. Biden, Conrad, Corzine all aye! Doomed

.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

95. nah NOT doomed if Corizine voted for cloture....something is up...it will

NOT pass

[Baconfoot]

30. Feinstein - AYE n/t

[bain_sidhe]

32. Feinstein ... AYE!

guess those calls had an effect

On edit... that was sarcasm, in case it wasn't evident. What's the point of having people "represent" us in congress if they DON'T?

[Khephra]

33. Daschle -- aye

Lott Aye

[1songbird]

36. Daschal - aye! WTF?

[drdon326]

38. Remember folks....real vote could change.

.

[MaineDem]

42. I'm hoping this is Daschle's plan

I'm very disappointed right now.

Edited for typo.

[creativelcro]

45. it would be the first time Daschle

has a plan...

[nomaco-10]

50. maybe he wants a photo op in the Rose Garden again.

[creativelcro]

54. this is what I think

[maddezmom]

39. I'm confused

hope the dems have a game plan.

[Khephra]

Byrd and Durbin -- no

McCain - No
Clinton -- no

[Malva Zebrina]

40. does not sound good

McCain no

[JI7]

41. does NOT look good.

d

[seafan]

43. Nelson of FL, aye, but he is against the bill for sure.

n/t

[creativelcro]

so, you think they are just not supporting

a filibuster but then theymay vote NO in the end ? What's the problem with a filibuster ? -CV

[flpoljunkie]

52. Rethugs are sure to get 51 votes if they get cloture! Procedural delays?

Daschle mentioned this as a possiblity. The bill will cost well over the $400 billions budgeted. Perhaps they can use this somehow.

[flpoljunkie]

48. Nelson's office told me he would be voting against cloture!

What is going on?

[creativelcro]

51. Daschle said he would vote NO on the bill

but he would not support a filibuster

[seafan]

58. Nelson said yesterday on the floor that he's against this bill.

Could be that he doesn't want more discussion because he is going to vote no on it regardless.

This is nail-biting time!


Of course dear old Senator Bob Graham is fighting for us!

[Malva Zebrina]

44. Landrieu--aye

[drdon326]

46. Anybody have a count??

.

[Snellius]

47. Repubs on floor look ready to party

Poor Durbin looks so dejected. Daschle looks pretty upbeat. Damn farm states.

[Mel]

49. uggh!

I'm on pins and needles here.

Byrd- No
Harkin- No
McCain- No
Clinton- No
Boxer- No
Carper- Aye

I missed two names of No

Cole-Aye
Ms. Landreui (sp?)-Aye
Levin-No
Ms. Lincoln-Aye
Lahey-No
Specter-Aye
Sarbans-No

[creativelcro]

55. They look like a bunch of pigs... Sorry..

[ozone_man]

53. So, are Kerry and Edwards going to vote this time? n/t

[flpoljunkie]

57. Ozone_man, Kerry and Edwards are filibustering this turkey!

You bet your ass they are voting no!

[drdon326]

56. COUNT??

.

[creativelcro]

59. They have more than 60, I think...

[drdon326]

60. C-SPAN SUCKS!!

.

[creativelcro]

61. what are they waiting for??

[Egnever]

62. They havent got the 60 yet they need

Although it looks like they will

[MaineDem]

64. They're well over 60 (nt)

.

[creativelcro]

67. but why aren't they stopping then?

[creativelcro]

69. toast

[drdon326]

63. I'm going to roll a DOOBEE while im waiting

.

[flpoljunkie]

65. How can that be with so many Dems voting for cloture!

It does look like something is up, though. Perhaps some Rethugs are trying to skip thius vote!

[drdon326]

66. Theyre in the HUDDLE now.

.

[Egnever]

68. 70-29

cloture wins

[creativelcro]

71. 70-29

there are only 100 senators. something is up... many dems who are against this voted YES.

[Egnever]

76. you are right my mistake

oops!

[drdon326]

73. 10 spineless dems.

.

[Baconfoot]

70. 70 Ayes. I can't believe it. 70 Ayes. n/t

[MaineDem]

72. Who didn't vote? (nt)

.

[creativelcro]

75. now 2 hrs of debate...

[Emboldened Chimp]

74. They just waved some procedure of some kind

something pursuant to a 1974 resolution...I'm at work, so I didn't catch the whole thing...

[bain_sidhe]

78. Looks like some of those delays Daschle

was talking about... Daschle made a "point of order" that the bill violates some section of a budget act, and Frist moved to waive that portion, so now they have to debate on whether to waive it or not, and vote on that before they can debate the bill.

[dweller]

80. in violation of the budget act?

2 hours of debate over waiving the act?
then a vote.

but everything is at a standstill,
daschle asking quorum call be rescinded...

making motion concerning the budget, legistlation could grow to 6, 8-9 hundred billion.
misallocation of funds

interesting...listen in

dp

[1songbird]

77. They have really screwed us on this one. There should have been

more forced debate so that all of the details of this bill could have been laid out. I bet there is alot more to this bill that we don't know about.

[Egnever]

79. It aint over yet

Daschle pulling the tricks out of the bag. Now objecting to the bill because it is against rules in the budget act.

This is going to be a fight!

[Emboldened Chimp]

81. Yeah, he's railing against it right now

He's genuinely upset...says it's not a meaningful benefit for seniors...we have money for other things, but not this...

[1songbird]

84. Oh I see what you're saying.

I don't know if his argument will get anywhere though. Let's hope.

[creativelcro]

85. but in the end they'll vote on it

Does he hope to change some minds?

[creativelcro]

86. Is it true that the Frist family

owns an HMO?

[creativelcro]

89. Daschle is a good speaker

no doubt about it...

[1songbird]

92. I hadn't heard that. If it's true then he should have recused himself

from the vote.

[1songbird]

90. It sounded like he was trying to

urge fiscal conservatives to look at the potential for escalating prices without govenment control.

[0007]

91. I'm hopeful but doubtfull

think its dead in the water.

[Snellius]

88. Daschle didn't have the cloture votes. This is his only recourse.

He doesn't seem to have any other choice but to try to prolong the debate.

[Tatiana]

83. The Senate version of the bill is over 1000 pages long!

They just published this tome last week. How can they POSSIBLY be trying to vote on this bill before the holiday???

It's INSANE!

[1songbird]

87. It's the same trick that the

Repugs pulled with the Patriot Act. They presented this book of a bill and no one had time to filter through it all and look at what's happening now.

[Snellius]

82. Daschle's making some good points

He's objecting to the bill not because it's bad for seniors but because it's just plain dishonest, wasteful, and corrupt.

[Emboldened Chimp]

93. Domenici crying about Daschle's move

boo-hoo, Pete.

[drdon326]

94. Nichols is on..let me get my gun.

.

[creativelcro]

96. Graham on at 2PM

[0007]

97. Graham has a lot of good points

[creativelcro]

98. yeah, pictures of old ladies

are winners!

[1songbird]

99. Grassley is whining about the budget technicality.

He calls violating our budget, even though we have record deficits, a technicality.

[drdon326]

100. Schmuck Gass-bag....notice his bleeding knuckles

.

[creativelcro]

101. to recap, do we need 60 votes on the budget POO ?

hard to believe we are going to get 60 votes...

[1songbird]

102. The repugs need 60 votes in order to go over budget.

I don't think they're going to get them. I just have this feeling that the Dems have set the Repugs up. We'll see.

[drdon326]

103. i'm not sure

.

[0007]

104. Barbara Boxer talking about Claw Back -



[qanda]

107. Stop it! You're killing me...

That is too FUNNY!

[creativelcro]

105. Santorum is on

take out your vomit bags..

[0007]

106. Know what ya mean, I had to mute my set

[creativelcro]

he's whining

that dems are using procedural obstruction... Whaaa whaaa....

[MoonAndSun]

108. NEW THREAD being started on Medicare cloture vote....

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768095>

[newyawker99]

109. I am locking this thread.

Please continue the discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=768095


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