Pre-Thanksgiving straw poll of Democratic Presidential candidates

[bobthedrummer]

vote your choice today-I'll include undecided.

[goobergunch]

1. Dean (n/t)

[Zynx]

2. Dean.

As time goes on he is impressing me more and more.

[Padraig18]

3. Dean. n/t

[bobthedrummer]

8. Dean impresses me and is my second choice.

n/t

[ozone_man]

35. Kucinich impresses me and is my second choice.

After Dean. :-)

[bobthedrummer]

38. We are in the same general field then.

:hi:

[GainesT1958]

4. One for the General!

* * * * :kick:

B-)

[bryant69]

6. And one more

I'm torn between Clark, Kerry and Dean, but for right now, I like Clark.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[redqueen]

5. The Kooch!

I hope he gets a chance to mention electronic voting pretty soon!

[bobthedrummer]

7. He has.

eom

[Rainbowreflect]

9. Kucinich, the best hope for this country.

The best hope for the world. IMHO

[PurityOfEssence]

10. Still Edwards

He's got the best economic and social plan that's obtainable, the best personality of a person to represent the country to the rest of the world while mediating the internal division and the best chance to beat Junior.

[bobthedrummer]

19. Edwards is my fourth choice then Gephardt

today.

[JohnLocke]

69. Right on

:kick:

Go Edwards

[JohnLocke]

70. Right on

:kick:

Go Edwards

[bobthedrummer]

11. What's with early favorite John Kerry?

This is Democratic Underground, Will Pitt is for Kerry, right?

[bobthedrummer]

12. Dennis Kucinich is strong as usual here

he is the direction that America needs to be going IMHO. So much for the "unelectable" label-he's used to winning with that.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Gobble...Gobble......Clark n/t

[bobthedrummer]

14. Clark will be in Green Bay tomorrow

at UWGB campus. A meetup and Dennis Kucinich opportunity for me if I go. I'm an alumnus. Class of 1992. As a returning adult student. I met Michael Parenti there once, over coffee.

[bobthedrummer]

15. I would ask the couple of Undecided to consider Dennis Kucinich

for President.

http://www.kucinich.net/aboutdennis.htm

[RebelOne]

16. 1st choice is Kucinich. Second is Dean,

Followed by Sharpton.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Kerry is my third choice

and yes, I know about S&B membership.

[bobthedrummer]

18. Kick.

:dem:

[karlschneider]

20. Is there some way we can put them all in a blender and pour the mixture

into a rubber mold that looks like President Clinton?

:D

Edit: except Lieberman...most of him anyway, he does have a somewhat
infectious grin-about the only thing I like about him. ;-)

[Hippo_Tron]

21. I think the fact that Kucinich shows up high on DU polls...

Says something about his supporters. Kucinich seems to appeal to people like us (liberals who understand politics) more than any other group. In national polls he's fairly close to the bottom but here he's in the top three, very interesting.

[bobthedrummer]

24. I concur.

Dennis the "unelectable" Kucinich is strong here because he is a true progressive Democrat like a lot of DUer's IMO.

[spindoctor]

95. Don't forget the MoveOn primary results

Didn't Kooch come in second there?

On selectsmart.com, most people match with Kucinich.

It is just a damn shame that he isn't electable.

[Kahuna]

155. When is the last time a congressman was elected?

I don't know the last time but I know it hasn't happened in the past 60 years. But you understand politics better than the rest of us. Okay. :eyes:

[bobthedrummer]

22. Clark would be my absolute last choice.

He might be a problem for the Democratic Party down the line.

But, if the choice were Clark or Bush I would not puke and vote for Clark, but I believe he has moles from the neo-conservatives all around him. Worse than my eigth choice, Lieberman and seventh choice-Sharpton.

But that's just the anti-fascist in me.

[Jonathan Fox]

26. I don't agree, and yet...

I'm for Clark, I usually identify moderate, and yet Kucinich is my second choice after Clark, for the sheer sexiness of being so progressive. ;)

[saoirse]

37. Welcome to DU!

And an extra special one for being a Clark supporter!

[Kahuna]

49. Welcome to DU, Jonathan!

:grouphug:

[Rowdyboy]

50. I'll pile on and say welcome too!

The more the merrier. Grow a thick skin quickly or buy asbestos body armor-you see we're supporting a "child-killing, war mongering, Republican, PNAC, militaristic whore", at least according to a few random pit bull supporters of other candidates here. Don't let them rattle you.

[Clark Can WIN]

77. And another Welcome Jonathan

Welcome to the Clark side.

[newyawker99]

177. Hi Jonathan Fox!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Donna Zen]

172. Links

[_NorCal_D_]

23. Clark!

B-)

[Boola Boss]

124. In addition to his caring for ALL people.....

.....CLARK is the only candidate who can LEAD us past Bush and into the White House!!

[newyawker99]

178. Hi Boola Boss!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[AmericanDem]

160. yes

:toast:

[RandomUser]

25. Clark! No other candidate has gone on nation tv with tears in his eyes

If literally having tears in his eyes on national tv isn't the genuine article, I don't know what is.

[Langis]

29. Kerry did this a couple months back

But I really can't take Kerry seriously, especially after this last debate. I am so sick of his fixation on Dean, he needs to get over it!

[RandomUser]

30. Thanks for this info

I wasn't aware Kerry was on national tv with tears in his eyes.

edited to add: do you remember what the context was?

[economic justice]

89. I agree - Clark!

I have decided to support Clark.

[MoonRiver]

27. Gooooo, Clark!

60 to Dean's 56 votes!! :bounce:

[AmericanDem]

175. Go Go GO

:kick:

[ElementaryPenguin]

28. Clark/Dean, Dean/Clark!!!!

They will beat ChimpCo's despicable ass!!

[Piperay]

31. Clark

all the way! :thumbsup:

[Kahuna]

32. Wes Wing all the way!

:bounce:

[Julien Sorel]

33. Dean!

:eyes:

[Kahuna]

36. Now, cut that out!

:7

[bobthedrummer]

34. I like Mosely Braun she would be my sixth choice

preferable over Clark, Lieberman and Sharpton. Her foreign policy plank is interesting.

[CWebster]

39. The Clarkies send out calls to the blog to come over and freep the polls

So the polls are useless.

:-)

[bobthedrummer]

40. I thank you for stating your opinion on that.

n/t

[CWebster]

52. But, it is not an opinion, bob

There had been some discussion about Clarkies freeping one of the previous polls by putting out the word at their blog. Subsequently it was admited on a number of occasions. Posters referred to announcements about a DU pollposted on the main Clark blog, much the way they are announced here for polls on CNN or something.

[oxymoron]

56. Again.

Proof?

[RichM]

61. Here's a link supporting what CWebster says -

From the thread a few days ago - General Clark is great on Letterman -- Look at post #16:

=====================
#16: I've got another 1/2 hour...on the West Coast.
Thanks for the build up!
And Welcome to Clarkie Newbies........
We're bringing them in from the main blog......
Clarkies are smart, that's something I've noticed!
====================

Also note post #50. The use of language in this post is typical of DU Clarkies -- that is to say, typical of bullying brownshirted thugs:
===============
50. I'm so sorry that the hundreds of us drown out the dozen "progressive" voices like yours. I'm sure our "not particularly well-informed" opinions are troublesome to you because they divert your attention from your goal of "renewing the identity of the Democratic party..."

Absolutely sickening elitist bullshit. What a shame it would be to see some of "our most progressive voices" (arrogant, demanding, rude assholes) driven away.

Don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass...

[wyldwolf]

63. Ok. but where is the proof....?

..that anyone is bringing Clark people in to freep the polls?

All your post indicates is that more Clark supporters are joining DU, which is pefectly fine. They're welcome.

[Kahuna]

64. So? You made it sound like Clarkies were coming in specifically...

to freep these polls. Is there something wrong with new posters coming in from the Clark Community Network? I'm sure that Deanies have brought in people from Dean's blog. And Kucinich bloggers too. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like the results of these polls, bring in your own people or stop posting these polls. But don't accuse us of "freeping." That's not only nonsense but it's sour grapes too.

[Rowdyboy]

82. Thanks for quoting me, Rich!

I've never been called a "bullying brownshirt" before.

Coming from you, I consider it a compliment!

Look at the roster of Clark supporters on DU today. They include many, many people who are the backbone of this place. It must be threatening to see a serious challenge emerge. I'm so sorry you feel bullied, but in a democracy, sometime you don't get your way..

Disgusting elitism dripped from every word of the post I was responding to...What sort of ass assumes that all opinions differing from his is "not particularly well-informed"? How the hell does he know how "well informed" anyones opinions are? Those are not my words, I was simply responding to his.

Again, considering the source, thanks for singling out MY quote. I proudly stand by it!

[FrenchieCat]

104. But that was me talking on your "quote"...

When I'm on the Clark Blog, I discuss some of the discussion in here. I have also posted DU threads before...so it's natural that Clark people would want to join in on the action...

sorry if our campaign only started 2 months ago and therefore there are newbies to be birthed..... Sorry that the Dean campaign has been going on forever...and therefore many Dean supporters have 1000+ post.

This is disgusting, almost like discrimination. I am black and know what that feels like. It's like, oh we like them as long as they are'nt too many.

You all sound like a bunch of elitists who are "legends in your own minds"...also too bad that RichM didn't post the other quote where I straightened his ass out.

I guess it's called cut and past...selective vision....a la Bush, eh?
I guess making the point is most important...but how the point is made is fair game.

I'm sure that the DU owners are happy about the increased activity, doncha think?

[_NorCal_D_]

121. On that same thread

Dean supporters, as usual, are being particularly nasty to newcomers. I didn't know that your tenure on DU gives you the right to be a pompous ass.


A number of DUers were forced to defend themselves:

Post 112: I found DU completely on my own.

Just kept following linkks, exactly the way the internet is designed. Would you rather that new people didn't find DU? Please factor in that this is the most impassioned Presidential election since 1992, or maybe 1980. A lot of Democrats are searching the internet right now to engage in discussion about the campaign. Whenever I was over at the Clark blog I never saw any effort to recruit for a DU invasion. Sure there was the occaisional "There's a poll happening about who you support as your choice for President, go here to vote" type of post. This is an election campaign, you honestly can't expect that type of thing not to happen. But nowhere did I see a hint of a strategy even remotley mentioned to invade DU or any other such nonsense. All the partisans for any of the candidate are out there trying to win activist backing for their candidate. What do you think the candidates themsleves have been doing in Iowa and New Hampshire? I think you should stick to the issues rather than deviding us into politically correct and incorrect camps.

Post 183: Gee thanks for the compliment...
As one who's working on the Clark campaign - thanks alot.

[Pastiche423]

67. There is something else

happening as well.

It seems to me, that many DUers have been MIA since the invasion.

[wyldwolf]

68. bwahahahahahahahaha

So new Clark supporters have come in and ran off other DU'ers?

[Kahuna]

78. How else can they explain that Dean isn't getting as many..

votes as h once did. The same number of voters are voting but the majority are voting for Clark. So must be, Deanies have left because so many new Clarkies have shown up. Yeah, sher babe. :eyes: Where's my tinfoil hat?

:tinfoilhat:

[Pastiche423]

92. Wrong

The same DUers are not participating in the polls.

I haven't voted in the presidential polls for over a month and I am not alone.

I am supporting my candidate in real life, where it counts.

[Kahuna]

125. Big Whoop! I am supporting my candidate also,

having contributed $375.00 to his campaign thus far.

[_NorCal_D_]

122. We

took em' out, Clark style! You won't see them anymore. B-) :hi:

[Kahuna]

81. You are making this all up. But you can't explain...

what happened to Dean's supporters. I also like how you people pretend you don't see all the post from supporters of other candidates, including Dean's who say they are flipping to Clark.

[MoonRiver]

87. I was just telling my husband the same thing.

Deanies are bailing out like crazy, and heading straight to Clark's camp! Gee, I wonder why :shrug: NOT.

CLARK WILL WIN IN 2004 and KICK THAT PIECE OF CACA OUT OF THE PEOPLE'S WHITE HOUSE!!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

147. I bailed from Dean to Kerry to Clark

n/t

[TLM]

129. And the facts are easy to see...

look at the post numbers.

If there was a 100 post before you can vote in polls rule, the numbers for Clark would be cut in half.

[bobthedrummer]

133. OK, I'm convinced by the poll and your history.

The trick now is to keep this kicked over time. Not even 500 votes have been cast yet. It would be nice to have 20,000 LOL! I don't think Clark is that popular nationally. Dean is the recognized leader.

[RandomUser]

135. Looks like it's nearing 500

Of course, if Clark is still leading by the time it's at 20,000, I'm sure someone will pop up and say 20,000 clark supporters are freeping the polls. :eyes:

[Kahuna]

41. Really? Maybe you can provide a link as proof.

nt

[Rowdyboy]

51. Could we have a link?

Or are you drifting into paranoia?

Pretty stupid to make an unsubstantiated claim and present it as fact to justify an absurd charge on your part. I can't see why you would get so upset over one stupid internet poll where your candidate is 20 votes behind. Obviously you're very insecure and doubt your guy's ability to maintain. No need to be so threatened...

[CWebster]

55. There was a long thread about it this past weekend

There is nothing wrong with encouraging others to participate, but if they are rounded up to skew polls then what is going on should be honestly acknowledged.

[wyldwolf]

58. Well, they have to be members of DU to vote

...and, thus, being members, have every right to vote.

Are you implying the only DU'ers qualified to vote in this poll are the ones who happen upon it?

In the long thread you speak of, was there a link to proof of the charge there?

[I_like_chicken]

59. This isnt scienctific

I think something important to remember here is that this poll is not scientific and therefore means absolutely nothing.

[Kahuna]

65. You don't say!

</sarcasm off>

[MoonRiver]

66. I disagree.

This poll means that the most activist Democrats prefer Clark!
:kick:

[knight_of_the_star]

108. True

But then again I did pretty poorly in Statistics, so I couldn't say how to set up a scientific poll :P.

[bobthedrummer]

153. This is an unscientific DU poll after all-VOTE if you haven't

let's keep this poll kicked through tomorrow-votes are trickling in by the minute IMO.

Also wouldn't the Clark supporters linked to the blog eventually lose a technical advantage-or are multiple votes being recorded from one member?

Shame on you-LOL!

[TexasSissy]

42. Freeping is indicative....

of support, isn't it? Making the polls all the more useful?

(wonder what "freeping" is, she says to herself):shrug:

[BootinUp]

46. There are

quite a few 500+ posters who have expressed support for Clark as one of their top choices of late...so I don't think your point is valid. One other point is there are very few Clark supporters who engage in negative posting on other candidates AFAICT

[Field Of Dreams]

85. A poor recruiting tool...

The main blog these days has more kinks in it than an old garden hose. I can't even log in a lot of the time. :7

[janx]

123. Which Clarkies? Why?

What possible purpose would that serve?

[DemExpat]

43. I'll vote for Clark.....

:kick:

DemEx

[CBHagman]

44. Definitely Kerry.

N/T

[_NorCal_D_]

45. Look how Clark is leading!

:wow: Then again, Kerry and Edwards are doing significantly worse than they usually do. :shrug:

[Monte Carlo]

47. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) still has my vote.

I may have to break down and do some volunteering in N.H. to help with the odds.

[MoonRiver]

48. Is DU a microcosm of what is happening in primary country??

Yep!

General Clark: WE :loveya: :grouphug: :loveya:

[JohnLocke]

75. In a word, no.

[Clark Can WIN]

86. Looks good to me

:loveya: :grouphug: :loveya:

[Renew Deal]

102. I disagree.

Clark's poll numbers have been rising over the last few weeks. Not just that, there has been a visible tide change here towards him. The everyday people (non-DU) that I have spoken to all say they like him but they want to know more. I think Wes is going to give them more. He is a very talented, bright, and compelling person. He is making a great candidate and hopefully a tremendous president that we can all be proud of.

[bobthedrummer]

126. Dennis Kucinich has strong grassroots in Wisconsin

he will do well here on February 17th in primary. So will Russ Feingold.

Maybe that grassroots connection applies here @ DU?

[Renew Deal]

127. If he is still there.

What makes you think he will still be there that late? I doubt it. Then again, Ihe could probably survice to super-tuesday (march 2).

[bobthedrummer]

128. Dennis Kucinich will do well in Wisconsin 2-17-2004.

He's on fire here.

[AlinPA]

53. Clark, Dean

I am sick about thinking how the rPIGs are going to use "gay marriage" as an issue against Dean because he signed the civil unions legislation in Vt. Thats why I'm leaning to Clark. But I really, really, really, really, really, really like Dean.

[wiley]

54. Clark/Gephardt, Clark/Dean, Clark/?

Kick it Wes!
:beer:

[I_like_chicken]

57. I'm a Kerry fan

but I think Clark has the best chance to beat bush out of all the nominees. All I want is Bush out of office, but after the democratic defeat on medicare today and the likely defeat on the energy bill, things arent looking too good:-(

[robbedvoter]

60. The man with the plan. Clark. because:

"Some say he's a nobody general who will fade once the real Democrats get a good look at him.
Maybe, but I'll tell you what I think.  He's running for president, and he is not used to losing.  And if he gets the nomination, he'll go up and down this country and beat on President Bush like a drum.  He'll do 2,000 yards every morning; he'll rappel down any cliff he needs to; he will shake off any small-arms fire as if it were a swarm of gnats.  And he'll get better at the game each and every day.
He hates to lose.  And he doesn't run from fights.
And even if he's never played the game, he's never a beginner at anything.
Dismissed."

[MoonRiver]

62. And in the end he'll be able to honestly say:

Mission Accomplished!

Here's a HUGE :kick: for Clark

[Walt Starr]

71. After deciding that software engineer jobs belong in India

Clark is now a "no way not even if he's nominated". Dean is back to number one for me.

I'd vote for and donate money to any other candidate with the exception of Clark. Clark is now a deal breaker in my book.

[wyldwolf]

72. Good luck...

If Clark gets the nod, you'll own stock in Bush's next four years if others follow your lead.

[Walt Starr]

73. I work for a software company

I know more than a hundred software engineers who are registered Democrats. They'd vote for Bush over somebody that spewed the crap that came out of Clark's mouth today.

[wyldwolf]

74. Good luck!

If Clark gets the nod, you'll own stock in Bush's next four years if others follow your lead.

[Kahuna]

80. That was a mistake for Clark to it that way. I'm sure he ..

didn't mean it the way it sounds. However, the handwriting has been on the wall for a long time with tech jobs. Even during the tech boom I warned techies that those jobs would end up in Asia. Obviously with the internet and intranets it's easier to export the jobs than to import the workers over here. Clark called a spade a spade, so to speak. Would you have been happier if he had lied to you? Clark is right. There is nothing we can do to compel
companies to get their software development done overseas. We need to concentrate on the next wave of technology.

[spindoctor]

97. I'm sure he didn't mean it???!!!

Like hell. And you are right, he calls it as he sees it, which is fine and I appreciate his honesty.

Now I know that he is not the candidate for me.

[spindoctor]

96. Yep, that includes me.

To flat-out say that it does not matter if my job goes overseas is painful to say the least.

Those of you who work in the IT industry know what the last couple of years have been like. We are no longer the priveleged ones, and although that time had to come sooner or later, the blow came hard and unexpected.

We definitely do not need a presidential candidate to dismiss the impact that outsourcing has on an entire industry.
What plan do you have in mind for me in that scenario, General? Join the Reserves?

I am sorry, but he lost my vote and he lost my support in any given scenario with that remark.

[tonyv751]

131. I am a software developer...

And I still support Clark 100%! What Clark said is a fact that cannot be changed by any of the candidates. Use the manufacturing sector as an example nothing stopped those jobs from going to other countries. Nothing is going to stop companies from moving software jobs to other countries as well.

[KittyWampus]

88. Clark Said Nothing Of The Sort

The IT Jobs are already gone- Clark had NOTHING to do with that.
No new jobs have been created- Clark has Nothing to do with that.

Clark said he'd create new jobs by developoing Green Tech and keep those jobs here using tax code structure.

Please tell me how any of the Democratic Candidates will MAGICALLY get those IT jobs back?

[Kahuna]

118. They can't tell you. We've been losing manufacturing jobs..

STEADILY for 30 years. Wouldn't it be nice if we could force manufacturers to pay Americans $25.00 an hour instead of $1.00 an hour to foreign labor. It would also be nice to be able to force companies to pay Amercian software engineers 100k a year instead of 15K ti foreign labor. The reality is that is not going to happen. We can give incentives to retain some jobs, but not all. That is the reality. Is it better to dwell on what we can't do or to plan for the future and new industry.

American has long been in the position of creating industries and then outsourcing the jobs. This is nothing new. The challenge is to plan for the new wave of innovation. That is what Clark is saying.

[democratreformed]

119. He also said we need to educate our people

and lead in the field of science and technology, thereby creating new areas for employment. Engineering and scientific research were two of the areas he mentioned.

Just want to point out that software is not the only industry hit hard recently. Many industries have been struggling, mine included.

[Jai4WKC08]

151. Clark will be the one to actually DO something for IT professionals

Clark was telling it like it is. So many IT jobs are already gone. But he also has a plan to create NEW technologies, and that will mean new software jobs too.

What other candidate has seriously addressed the need to develop new energy alternatives? New bio-technology? New manufacturing methods? Clark has a plan to set goals, coordinate, and help fund that development. What other candidate pays more than lip service the problem?

What other candidate is even looking past November 2004?

One of the very first items posted on the official Clark site was his 100-year Vision. One hundred years! This is a man who looks to the future. Who believes in a future. Who believes in the ability of the American people to create that future.

Clark is also the one candidate who has experience in technology development. It's not just pie-in-the-sky for him. He can make it happen. I don't think you can say that about anybody else who's running.

Don't grab on to a single phrase about IT jobs in India. Look deeper. Think about who really cares about the future because that's where all our jobs, and our childrens' jobs, will come from.

[Clark Can WIN]

76. Clark for me

:kick:

[MoonRiver]

79. He just keeps gaining in this "unscientific" poll of grassroots activists!

Of course the fact that we can't vote more than once and have to be registered members of DU to vote, has nothing to do with Clark's invincibility! :eyes:

[robbedvoter]

83. Ha!ha! Alert CNN: the invisible guy sweeps it all!

I am loving this!

[AmericanDem]

173. yes

3 days and he has taken over

[NNN0LHI]

84. Still undecided here. I want to hear more from them all n/t

[britpopper]

112. If you watched tonight's debate,

The choice was abundantly clear...CLARK.

I don't have any major problems with any of the other candidates, but honestly picture some of the others in a debate with Bush, who do we want up there making Bush look like the true idiot he is, there is only one choice and that is General Wesley Clark. Clark would obliterate Bush and we all could watch the little confused chimp look stupider as the debate went on and on...

GO CLARK!!!

[NNN0LHI]

114. You really like your guy don't you?

That is good. I admire that. And the passion you have shown in your post does not go unnoticed. That is what wins elections. Thanks for your comments.

Don

Edit: Oops. Almost forgot. Welcome to DU.

Don

[Kosmos Mariner]

90. Clark all the way!

nt


:dem:

[MoonRiver]

93. Yee Haa!!!

:kick: :kick:

[AmericanDem]

157. i agree

:kick:

[mndemocrat_29]

91. Looks like Clark is the leader

[0rganism]

94. First time I've seen Clark lead in the DU polls. Interesting.

He's definitely making an impact in the base, if this is true. Dean will have a run for his money from the looks of it.

[Renew Deal]

98. This is th efirst time I am seeing him just crush the field.

There have been many tight polls here. This is astonishing.

[Pastiche423]

99. Do you mean

the "DU" base?

[Renew Deal]

103. I think they are close to eachother.

Though we tend to be a little more left. The thing is, if Clark can win us over, then he shouldn't have any trouble with middle america.

[Pastiche423]

107. Who is "we"?

The DU base has changed dramatically in the past six months. I hardly recognize it.

[Name removed]

130. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NNN0LHI]

134. Who did you vote for twice I wonder? n/t

[Myra]

110. Um, yeah. I was astonished when I looked at the results.

Well, General Clark sure seems to be hitting
his stride based on what I've seen of his recent
speeches and interviews (but couldn't see today's
debate; don't get MSNBC). He's definitely a quick study.
And really appears to have got the message
to be tough, which he seems so well suited for
in terms of background, and temperment (the very
area where the Pugs are trying so hard to sow seeds
of doubt...).

[TLM]

132. Not really considering the call put out on the Clark Blog...

for Clark supporters to come to DU and push Clark.

[AmericanDem]

174. still is

after more then 3 days. :kick:

[AnnitaR]

100. Not "freeping the poll" Clark supporter here!

I have never waivered in my belief that he is our best chance to get that evil little man out of OUR White House!

[L.A.dweller]

101. kick

[tokenlib]

105. We need the most electable candidate and that IMHO is Clark !

I'll vote for whoever the nominee is. But if we want to maximize our chances of getting rid of Bush--Clark is the man to do it. And on most issues he is rather progressive.
We have to get rid of the GOP dictatorship!

[IranianDemocrat]

106. shameless kick

:kick:

[bluestateguy]

109. This is the 1st DU poll I have seen with Clark ahead, and by double digits

And we're not exactly a bunch of DLCers or DINOs either.

[Kahuna]

116. 50 pts ahead now!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[rucky]

111. Still Undecided....

Clark, Dean, Kucinich

[bobthedrummer]

137. If you are progressive Dem. Dennis Kucinich is the future.

He represents where we could be, where we really need to be at this dark hour IMHO.

[bluestateguy]

113. kick

:kick:

[Guaranteed]

115. kick nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. WAIT!

Clark is in the lead by 50 votes? WooHOO! :bounce::bounce:

[Ficus]

120. Mark one for DK

n/t

:dem: :dem:

[bobthedrummer]

136. Kick.

:dem:

[incapsulated]

138. I'm number 200!

For Clark!

:party:

[wiley]

139. Kick This!

Four Star Salute for Wes Clark! He da Man ,now!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Kahuna]

140. Welcome to DU, Wiley!

Welcome to the Wes Wing! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[bobthedrummer]

141. Kick.

:dem:

[Infowoman]

142. Kick

What does "kick" mean? I asked once before but forgot where I posted. I'm new to message boards, but old in support for Wes Clark!

[Hailtothechimp]

143. Clark, because Dean's 1Y deferment will let bu$h off the hook

And the chickenhawk/AWOL story is just too good to pass up.

I was in Dean's corner for the longest time, but Clark can and does say things that no other candidate can say credibly.

[Bucky]

144. I'm for Clark, but it totally sucks that Dean's non-service is an issue

I honestly don't give a shit whether he went skiing after his med deferrment. It was a dumb ass war and he was a 22 year old kid who opposed the war. It's got next to nothing to do with his character now that he's a 54 year old ex governor with a set of proposals on how to run the country in this century.

Jeeze Louise, we let the nutz set the agenda in this country too damn much!

[Hailtothechimp]

145. No, bu$h in the white house is what totally sucks. n/t

[NNN0LHI]

146. It is not that Dean's non-service is an issue. I do not believe it is

But with that said, Juniors stint in the Champagne Air National Guard unit that his daddy got for him along with his going AWOL for over a year also becomes a non-issue. And that detail is what may make the difference in next years election if we play our cards right.

Don

[kerry-is-my-prez]

148. Unbelievable that Dean gets more flack for that than Dumbya got

for being AWOL. We're living in a bizarro world...

[NNN0LHI]

149. Who knows. That may have been part of the reason Gore won that election?

We don't know? Plus there were not wars going on all over the world with American soldiers dying daily back then either. The twin towers were still standing and the 3000 people working there were still alive then too. The world has really changed in the last three years. War and service records were the last thing on most peoples minds in 2000.

Don

[AmericanDem]

164. you said it right

:kick:

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

150. Chalk up another vote for the Kooch!

B-)

[bobthedrummer]

152. Wednesday AM Kick.

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

154. We need another 500 votes

to straighten this out.

[GCP]

156. Clark is the only viable candidate to appeal to the South

IMHO

[AmericanDem]

165. mine also

:toast:

[bobthedrummer]

158. Kick.

:dem:

[bobthedrummer]

159. In this short time this afternoon that I logged-in Dean got 5 votes

and Clark got 2, Kucinich 1. I know that this poll is jinxed...

[Kahuna]

162. "Jinxed?" How so?

:shrug:

[AmericanDem]

161. after 2 days Clark still kicking butt

Go Clark!!

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[AmericanDem]

170. going on 3 days

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[kentuck]

163. Wow! If Clark is ahead by this much on DU !

He must be pretty strong nationwide?

[DemBones DemBones]

166. Would a pre-Thanksgiving straw poll perhaps be

a "Turkey In the Straw" poll? :7

:party: :party: HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!!! :party: :party:

[MoonRiver]

167. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

Happy Thanksgiving DemBones DemBones!! :hi:

[bobthedrummer]

168. Now this is a Thanksgiving poll

n/t

[UTUSN]

169. The Unreality. The Unreality. n/t

[AmericanDem]

171. It sure is

Go Clark!

[wyldwolf]

176. Kick

[newyawker99]

179. I am locking this thread.

This thread is full of speculation and not many facts. According to the rules of this site all Democrats are welcome to post here. Calling new people infiltrators, no matter which candidate they support, kinda undermines the rules where we welcome Democrats of all stripes to participate. I don't think there is a rule that says a person cannot invite another person to post here.

If you feel that a new person is a disruptor, please hit the alert button so that the mods and the Admins can evaluate the situation.


Thank you.

NYer99
DU Moderator