DNC Debate on MSNBC -- 4pm et -- thread #2

[Khephra]

Continue here please!

[proud patriot]

1. link to thread one

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=768472&mesg_id=768472

[Renew Deal]

2. Good job coordinating.

:toast:

[DemCam]

14. Stick a fork in Tom...Al

[UTUSN]

48. Reposting: EFFING Tweety!!!!

In the pre-show, effing Tweety committed *several* sins: First, he intro-ed Shrub's speech saying, "He's LOOKING GOOD AS ALWAYS, This time wearing an Eisenhower jacket."

Oh, Kathleeeeeen (MATTHEWS), your husband has something to tell you!

Other sins Tweety committed in less than half an hour: Played the Shrub Iowa commercial that smears Dems. Cackled when GILLEPSIE named KUCINICH in an answer-----sneering, "Name one CONTENDER (not a nobody)!"

Just being Tweety is a crime. Luckily, nobody watches him and his wingnut "friends" don't TRUST him. "For the FIFTY people who watch this show..." (-------Darrell HAMMOND).

[PDittie]

3. I thought Clark's answer to Brokaw's question

about the evangelical divide between Ds and Rs was excellent.

Essentially, that the Republicans have no more sole claim to God and faith than they do the flag and patriotism.

[Khephra]

Clark did give a great answer

:toast:

Tom is out to knock Sharpton out of the race, if he can.

[morgan2]

4. ha! dean looks like he wants to kill sharpton

[Renew Deal]

6. Why?

[morgan2]

9. talking about the confederate flag issue

he said something like "if howard dean believed what he said he should have stood behind it and not apologised"
they then showed dean's face, he looked rather mad.

[robsul82]

7. This famous temper...

...might actually show up if Al ever stops talking, hehe.

Later.

RJS

[Renew Deal]

10. What's happening?

Did Dean :nuke:

[robsul82]

12. No, they just moved on...

...to a NAFTA question to Gephardt.

Sharpton wrapped up by saying, "But I love brother Howard," cut to Dean laughing, onto next question.

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

13. Nope

He's cool

WAY cool

:evilgrin:

[robsul82]

5. And Brokaw hits Sharpton with Tawana Brawley...

...and Al compares it to OJ? Huh?

Later.

RJS

[proud patriot]

8. ewwwwwwww Tawana Brawley case brought up to Sharpton

Lordy

[Bluzmann57]

15. Well, the Brawley case was a bad deal

and Sharpton permanently scarred his rep with that incident imo. That is why, although he says some good things, I cannot support him for public office. He lied and damaged some mens careers. We are trying to get away from that stuff.

[genius]

42. That's pretty low of Brokaw

Someone ought to hit Brokaw with the fact that Brokaw is Bush's stooge.

[AP]

11. Sharpton just TOTALLY BURNED Brokaw.

He just made Brokaw the issue. He said, you want to debate OJ Simpson trial? You want to debate what happened to Jessica Lynch? Because that's what your talking about when you talk about whether you agree with what people say happened vis what you want to think happened (or something like that). Or you want to talk about the issues.

Brokaw left stuttering trying to explain why he thinks it matters. Said let's let it go. Sharpton jumps in some more, burning Brokaw more. Brokaw says, OK thank you "brother Ralph" (did I hear that???)

[Renew Deal]

17. Brother Ralph?

Is that a joke?

[eissa]

25. Gee, how is Tom going to end this?

Peace out y'all?

I like how Al turned it the Tawana thing back at him though; I love it when any of the candidates can do that successfully.

[AP]

27. I think Brother Al got Brokaw so nervous with his buring of Tom, that

Tom got confused for a second. He probably had about three trains of thought going on, and thought that was Ralph Abernathy on stage. Who knows.

[johnfunk]

28. Brother Ralph? Brokaw must be on acid!

Brokaw makes me "ralph". :puke: Sharpton smacked Mr. Greatest Regurgitation around darn well.

[oasis]

34. Check the replay but I thought Al said Brother Howard, a Dean reference.

there was some crosstalk at that point.

[robsul82]

39. Sharpton said "Brother Howard," Brokaw said "Brother Ralph."

Tom's a little fuzzy, I guess.

Later.

RJS

[robsul82]

19. What does "Brother Ralph" mean...?

Is it a reference to something, or...?

Layer.

RJS

[blm]

32. Brokaw did NOT want to hear about Jessica Lynch. Sharpton was SHARP there.

I think Kerry's monitor is bad. His mic may be on too loud, or his monitor is too low and he can't hear himself. The sound engineer may be a Rethug. heh.

[Cocoa]

68. comparing Brawley to the conf. flag is a stretch...

even for Tom Brokaw.

Go Al! :-)

[xultar]

16. OK, Tom Brokaw is getting to old to read without his GLASSES

this is embarrassing! Somebody run to the CVS and get that man some +2.50 readers PUHLEEZ!

[karlschneider]

22. Heh...for me, reading glasses are -2.50

:D

[tjdee]

18. Will they be re-airing it later tonight?

Huh?

[Khephra]

21. Yep...I'll add the time in here in a second

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[Renew Deal]

23. 9:00 EST

[Khephra]

26. Thanks!

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[tjdee]

24. Thanks khep, I knew you'd know.

:-)

[0007]

41. Yes, and ck. with c-span for time

only going by what I heard yesterday.

[AP]

20. Dean on NAFTA

says lots of (good) people agreed with it. We need balance between labor investment and capital investment, and treaties which balance labor, trade rights etc.

Kucinich says, you know, Dean, that you can't even get into that discussion within Nafta framework. You need to tell people where you stand. (Becuase it's inconsistent to say you want what you say you want and say you want to stay in NAFTA/WTO).

[Renew Deal]

29. Lyndon Larouche!!! Lyndon Larouche!!!

OK maybe not.

[johnfunk]

35. Larouchoids only attend FAUX News Charnel debates.

Anyone thing MSNBC should add a laugh track for Tom Brokaw's moronic questions? The Kelso comparison is pretty apt.

[DemCam]

30. Great Answer Wes...

good command of jobs creation

[robsul82]

33. CMB rebuts it...

...looking good!

Later.

RJS

[FrenchieCat]

36. I didn't see a rebut...

I saw that as adding on!

[robsul82]

43. Um...

Clark says "Let India have the software."

CMB says "No, I don't think we should let India have the software."

Hence, a rebut.

Later.

RJS

[FrenchieCat]

31. Wes did good

with the new jobs in new technology area. His answer was so smart, I doubt that brokaw was able to follow that one!

[xultar]

37. I didn't like Clarks answer when he said let India have the software

that made me uncomfortable. He will need to clean that up. I'm sure his campaign is working on it.

I guess I wasn't able to follow it also.

[FrenchieCat]

45. But he had said earlier

that they would get rid of tax incentives for Companies that outsourced overseas.

He was saying there is much out there to be developed. We can't just look at the "tech economy" as having already arrived...that there is still much out there to discover...and that is where new jobs will be found...just in the research and development area alone.

[DemCam]

50. right where we need to be....

ahead of the curve...research, new technologies, and let the other jobs help grow economies in other nations....

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. What did he say?

I just got home and missed the first 45 minutes. What about letting India have WHAT software?

[Renew Deal]

38. Live radio of the Debate

http://play.rbn.com/?url=cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan4db.rm&proto=rtsp&rbnkey=1

Found this on the Clark blog.

[Spazito]

44. Thanks!

I don't have msnbc so this is great!

[AP]

40. Edwards get dry questioin on steel tariffs (a question he answered in pre-

vious debate). So Edwards paints a bigger picture: famiies used to save 10-20% of iincome. Now they have negative savings. It's more like that families will go bankrupt before they get divorced.

We have to create wealth for the middle class, the engines of the economy.

Thank you very much for talking about what's important, rather than answering an obvious quesiton which has been asked and answered.

[DemCam]

46. Kerry looks so presidential...and

just bores my socks right off.

[robsul82]

49. No winners yet, but Kerry...

...looks like the BIG loser from that screamfest at Dean. Crikey!

Later.

RJS

[Khephra]

61. Even my mother was pissed off at Kerry for that

She's a somewhat Deanie (but open to other candidates) and that did not play well with her at all. I've NEVER said that Kerry has lost one of these debates, as I think he usually does quite well.

But the new schtick of interupting Dean (how many times? I counted at least 4 times) is a loser. BIG TIME.

[blm]

77. His monitor is probably not set properly.

There's a big difference soundwise between his mic and Edwards'.

[blm]

79. His monitor is probably not set properly.

There's a big difference soundwise between his volume and Edwards'.

[blm]

51. I love it. I loved it when Gore talked policy, too.

.

[Zynx]

53. He looks like his face was on Mt. Rushmore and was chisled off.

;)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

64. We'll file that in the "Kerry looks presidential" comments

Thanks!

[Zynx]

67. That was an insult.

He wasn't worthy for Mt. Rushmore. ;)

[AP]

52. Where's the audience? Why don't they have clapping? It's strange.

The candidates are delivering applause lines, but, without applause, their applause lines seems less powerful than they are.

[robsul82]

55. Brokaw told them not to cheer or boo...

...so the only cheering that happened was following Sharpton's "In our worst night's sleep" line.

Later.

RJS

[phirili]

54. Dean wanted to slow rate of growth of debate. Pressure = Nonsense

[KoKo]

56. Didn't like Kerry's comment about returning to Protectionism of 70's

We were better off in the seventies with some protectionism than we are now, and that he said the "Democratic Party's Protectionism" turned me off.

[Zynx]

60. The 70s were not good years economically.

I will give Kerry credit for realizing that.

[quinnox]

57. Brokaw is a terrible moderator

All his questions are designed to paint the Dems as a bunch of fruitcakes. Maybe he is auditioning for Fox?

[robsul82]

62. I want Anderson Cooper back...

...now, please.

And Gephardt just pulled the "miserable failure" line out of the mothballs to one lonely audience member clapping. Ha!

Later.

RJS

[unfrigginreal]

58. Damn, Dean.

I don't find many faults with him but one area that I was critical of was his backing of the Ethynol subsidies. Then he goes and makes a perfectly rational explanation of why I should back them. Very nice response.

[cindyw]

59. Have you ever seen a more boring debate than this?

Granted I've only seen the last 15 minutes or so, but what is wrong with this crowd? I'm actually yawning here. By the way, what is up with Brokaw's cheap questions to everyone where he asks all question in the form of quoting someone else? Is it really important if Kerry think Feinstein would vote for a poison pill? Is there a smart moderator who can ask real questions?

Quick CMB, Al Sharpton has said that men are strong, in the light of the women's movement do you think Al thinks women are weak and does this make him a bad canididate? I'm making it up, but this is the level of debate in this one. Brokaw is worse than CNN's what's her name.

As I'm writing this Brokaw prods Gep to call Kennedy a liar.

[PDittie]

69. Brokaw told them to hold it

Personally, I found the cheering and applause after every answer by the candidates' team off-putting.

Not to mention a waste of time.

[poskonig]

70. Amen.

This debate sucks donkey balls.

[cindyw]

71. There he goes again! Has Kerry had one question without another candidates

name in it? This is crazy and the silence from the audience is WEIRD.

[Renew Deal]

76. He sounds terrible on the radio.

[AP]

63. Brokaw putting words in Gephardt's mouth re WMD:

You thought it was a fraud?

No, I talked to George Tenet directly. Tenet told me it was a real threat.

And now criticising what Bush has done (moving on from the 'why did we do it?' question).

[phirili]

65. Instead of saying he was wrong on NAFTA; Dean added Harkin. Typical Dean

[phirili]

82. Dean stammering on draft question. Now bringing in the other candidates

[NewYorkerfromMass]

84. Can you elaborate?

Did he use Harkin for cover?

[DemCam]

66. Gep pretends he has personal influence on Shrub...

[FrenchieCat]

74. Now, that's funny

[robsul82]

72. Oooh, Brokaw gives Kerry a question that's basically "Rip on Dean!"

Here we go.

Someone must've told Kerry not to talk about Dean anymore. Heh.

Later.

RJS

[AP]

73. Brokaw wants to know what Kerry thinks of Dean. Kerry ignores him. Good.

Talks about himself.

[AP]

80. Brokaw not satisfied. REALLY wants to talk about Dean.

Kerry talks about Clinton. Now talking about Bush. Now talking about experience.

Well done.

Now Brokaw moves on to Dean. How's your back?

[Zynx]

81. That's a first.

[Khephra]

75. THREAD THREE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=769157

[Cush]

78. hmm, they skipped Clark: RE Iraq

wonder why?

[matcom]

83. DEAN SLAMMED KERRY

AND GOT APPLAUSE!

S.L.A.M.

[La_Serpiente]

85. Great response by Kerry

I think Brokaw wanted to put Kerry on the spot. Kerry knows that when he attacks Dean, Dean gets more money. I think Kerry wanted to just "highlight" the difference between him and Dean.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Did you see Clark shake his head at Dean's

remark about Iraq. Didn't look happy!

[phirili]

87. Dean all over the lot on war - so true