US soldiers are now frisking schoolgirls as precaution....

[Postman]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/87345F0A-10D1-440C-B643-6BF0D5C4C4CB.htm

One father, Abu Muhammad, told Aljazeera.net on Sunday that if he ever hears his daughter has been touched by American soldiers again, he would “not be responsible for the consequences”.

[hlthe2b]

1. Yup, making friends/influencing people.....!

I just don't get how we can be so obtuse.... Men frisking young girls in a Muslim country? Are there no women in the military? Can they not enlist an Iraqi woman to help, if this is really needed?


Geez...

[leftchick]

2. Pictures of those" terrorist" school girls......

WTF is he searching her shoes for?!?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

3. Shoe-bombs...just in case she intends to catch a flight later in the day.

[Fescue4u]

15. or comes across a group of non Muslims

Come on folks!

The Iraqis are a desperate people and are fighting back tooth and nail.

Muslims have never showed a reluctance for suicide bombers, or killing children in the past. Why would they when they are an occupied country?

[_Jumper_]

18. What % of Muslims are terrorists?

This is surreal.

[Fescue4u]

26. enough to kill our boys on a daily basis.

Im not sure what the % is, but apparently they have enough.

[wuushew]

30. Do you support or have you supported the invasion of Iraq?

Yes or No?

I need to know where you are coming from

[Fescue4u]

35. I largely did not support the invasion

And I sure as hell don't now.

Frankly I bought the lie about WMD's, but wasnt convinced yet that an invasion was necessary (but I did think I might eventually be necessary)

Since then, its become apparent that I was lied to. I want our boys home!

Barring that, I want them to be safe. Unfortunately, we have neither :(

[sujan]

39. "our boys"

sounds kinky

[Fescue4u]

46. yeah I guess it does

Certainly didnt mean it that way though

[_Jumper_]

41. Take a guess

Maybe you can go to FR and get your pals there to help you answer.

[Fescue4u]

44. bah!

I resent that.

I am not FR. I went there once and felt dirty for doing so.

[Name removed]

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[Fescue4u]

4. Its a good idea really.

You have to remember that Muslims don't care for the women and children as we do.

If they believe that strapping belt bomb onto little suzie will inflict 10% more causualtys, they will absolutely do it.

Hell they've already used pregnant women as self guided bombs.

[Postman]

5. Show me proof...

seems to me fathers won't sacrifice their daughters regardless of religious affiliation

[Fescue4u]

7. Normal fathers won't

Crazed fathers influences by Muslim rantings dont follow the same moral compass as you and I.

If these people will use pregnant women as bombs, what WONT they do?

Then again, I might be wrong.

But If I were a soldier, being wrong means you are dead. Better safe than sorry.

[_Jumper_]

14. "Normal fathers, crazed fathers" "These people" "What won't THEY do"

Will DU treat this person the same way people that are bigoted against more popular minority groups are treated?

[Fescue4u]

21. Actually muslims are not a minority

They are in fact, the majority worldwide.

Do you deny that Iraqis have used pregnant women as guided bombs? Do you deny that suicide bombers are routinely used? Do you deny that your OWN children will be searched at an American airport?

This practice is simple a safety precaution, one that we do to our own people when flying from Ny to LA.

We are not even an occupied country. Why on Earth anyone believes that this should not be done in an occupied country?

While I don't want our boys over there...I don't want to them to die by crazed radicals, ready to sacrifice their children...as they have done in the past.

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[Fescue4u]

33. OMG! the Irony is delicious!

Im a black man for Gods sake!

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[Fescue4u]

38. fine..just get your checkups

and Im glad to see that Iraq has Internet now

(rolling eyes)

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[Fescue4u]

48. I only mentioned my skin color because

someone accused me of being KKK.

I just wanted to point out the ridculousness of their accusation.

I do the best I can, sometimes more, sometimes less in terms of Americas Economy.

[_Jumper_]

60. You missed the point

You feel superior to Iraqis because of accidents of birth. To look down upon them IS racist.

[Fescue4u]

65. Not at all

Where I have said anything negative about Iraqi's??? (Obviously I have said negative things about Islam/Muslim)

Iraqis are actually secular and have christian walking among them and you, nor I can tell the difference.

Neither can you tell which ones are carrying bomb belts.

[_Jumper_]

68. Post #38

:eyes:

[Fescue4u]

71. huh? weak example

Most of Infrastructure was destroyed in the bombings...including INternet.

They had it before we came along.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

77. Idiocy as well as bigotry comes in many colors...you're living proof.

[htuttle]

25. Unfortunately, no

Welcome to Amerika.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

75. "Crazed fathers influences by Muslim rantings"???? WTF??...

What the hell universe are you from??

If the U.S. was occupied by a foreign power and their soldiers were running their hands all over the body of one of my daughters, there would be Hell to pay, sooner rather than later!

We should have thought about treating the Iraqis as human beings instead of the way we have. Then we could have had this thing pretty much resolved while working with a cooperative population. Too late now, isn't it?

When the Germans invaded the USSR in 1941, the Ukrainians greeted them with open arms thinking that they were finally free of Stalin. It wasn't until the Germans burned their homes and killed the local people without rhyme or reason that the Ukrainians decided Stalin wasn't so bad after all. Hitler could have had the entire Ukraine for a song, but chose to use the stick instead of the carrot.

[Fescue4u]

91. no doubt..

I would be fighting back to. But I would not use my children as munitions.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

84. using pregnant women as bombs vs. dropping bombs on pregnant women

which is worse I wonder?


btw, fescue4u - I remember when you joined - I asked what your name meant? I'm surprised you lasted this long, honestly...

[Fescue4u]

89. Both are deploreable!

Thats like asking which is worse..gas chambers or firing squads..both are horrible.

Anyway, I do lawncare part time..thats all! (yeah I know it sounds like something else)

lasted this long? Why would I not? I realize that some of my comments are to the left of many here, and some of my other comments are to the right of many here, but...I didnt know you were taking bets on my longevity!

[hlthe2b]

8. Sadly, you are lumping all Muslims into one pot...

It is NOT true that Muslims don't care for the women and children as we do. Yes, in some strict Muslim countries, the teachings of the Koran have been bastardized to justify their religious extremists to control women to this degree. (not totally unlike the religious "right" in this country) Iraq is a moderate Muslim country but this difference apparently not understood by many (and sadly that must include some DUers).

While I agree that taking due precaution is justified, there are ways to do so without undermining everything they are trying to do (using women to search, etc).

[Fescue4u]

11. Im sure they care for them.

But their value as a guided missle outweighs their worth as a human to an extremist.

Its true that Iraq was a Moderate Muslim country. But Id say that all bets are off now that they are occupied.

[DrWeird]

10. Congratulations.

You've just written the most bigotted post I've read in a long time.

[Fescue4u]

12. I know

I was shocked at the bigotry exemplied when they used pregnant women to.

[DrWeird]

13. Yeah, them dirty sand niggers is shifty

ain't they?

[Fescue4u]

17. Thats not a term I would use.

Crazed extremist who will do anything to harm an Infidel is more accurate.

[DrWeird]

19. Yeah, I know muslim = sand nigger = crazed extremist

They're all the same, right?

[_Jumper_]

20. Hit alert

This is flagrant bigotry. This is Freeper-level bigotry. This ought not to be tolerated on DU.

[DrWeird]

23. Already did.

nt

[Fescue4u]

29. Uh no.

You're the only one using that kinda of inflamatory language.

So do you believe that suicide bombers are NOT crazed extremist?

[_Jumper_]

31. Even a Freeper could detect the hatred in your posts

They would love your Muslim hating there. We ought not to tolerate it on DU.

[Fescue4u]

37. No thanks!

I feel dirty after going there.

[DrWeird]

34. What do I believe?

I believe that you're a crazed extremist that would gladly march millions of muslims off to the gas chamber if given the oppurtunity.

[Fescue4u]

43. No no no.

I would never.

But I do think we should examine more closely some of our immigration policys from terrorist strongholds.

[_Jumper_]

"Muslims need not apply"

FR would love having a bigot like you post there.

[Fescue4u]

50. Not quite...

But I do believe that a through background check on a 25 year male, coming in on a student visa from Saudi or Siria is in order.

[DrWeird]

49. terrorist strongholds like Iraq, eh?

nt

[Fescue4u]

52. mixed bag there

I don't believe that Iraq has actively exported terrorism.

I do believe there may be some casual connections, but certainly less than some other areas.

Internal terrorism? you bet and its getting worse everyday.

[sujan]

78. because of ?

[_Jumper_]

16. How many other groups do you hate?

Since you can't make a distinction between lunatics and normal people surely you hate other groups. Name them.

[Fescue4u]

32. Neither can you.

The problem is that lunatics do not wear "I am a lunatic" on their heads.

Thats why they are searching everyone over there (in a war zone)

[_Jumper_]

53. That is a red herring

The issue I raised was your bigotry against Muslims. You, like all bigots, cannot make a distinction between the bad minority within a group and the decent majority.

[Fescue4u]

59. And neither can you

and neither can the soldiers! Thats the WHOLE point!!!

Thats why everyone is being searched!

[_Jumper_]

61. You missed the point

You are a bigot because you lump all Muslims into one, evil group. If you had said what you said about blacks or Jews you would have been tombstoned by now!

[Fescue4u]

66. sigh.

I guess we are both missing the point.

You keep calling me a racist, and that ridiculous.

I do believe that Islam has some very dangerous teachings, which lead to some very desperate acts (such as using pregnant women as bombs).

Are there good Muslims? Of course there are!!! millions of them in fact!

Are there bad ones? You bet!

Can you tell the difference? Nope, and neither can I.

Thats why they are being searched.

[truth2power]

88. I certainly hope that was sarcasm.

"You have to remember that Muslims don't care for the women and children as we do."

If not, it sickens me to hear you say that. Just another way of saying all those brown people don't value human life the way Americans do.

[bluestateguy]

6. This too will fail

Let's just say that out of 100 girls searched one bomb is found. OK, so one bombing was prevented. Meanwhile, at least 2 or 3 fathers and brothers of each of these girls, who otherwise would have had no reason to attack US soldiers, now decide to take revenge against the men that they believe have violated their girls' innocence.

Bad policy. BAD, BAD policy.

[Fescue4u]

9. violated their innocence?

Are they doing cavity searches now?

I and my kids flew last week. My kids had to under go the same exact security check.

If my kids now how to be checked because of these Muslim terrorist, then we sure as hell need to check them on their own soil.

btw, strapping bombs to children is another way to violent their innocent you know.

(edited to be less inflamatory)

[bluestateguy]

22. Look

Given your description of Iraqis as "Muslim bastards" I won't appeal to your concern for them, so I will appeal to you on the basis of what works. This policy will not work. The very small amount of weapons that MAY be found in one search out of many, will pale in comparison to the anger this policy will generate among Iraqi men who will be looking for revenge. One or two bombers may be stopped by frisking little girls, but hundreds more could be created because men (brothers and fathers) will be plotting revenge.

[_Jumper_]

24. "Muslim bastards"

What do you think about blacks and Jews? :eyes:

[Fescue4u]

40. uh...

See another post. I am African American..

And since Im not self hating :)..

And Frankly, I've never understood the hating jews thing.

[sujan]

42. Clarence Thomas, is that you?

[Fescue4u]

51. grrrrrr

Dont get me started there..

short answer: no.

[_Jumper_]

55. You understand hatred of Jews perfectly

THERE IS NO MORAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HATING JEWS AND HATING MUSLIMS. HOPEFULLY DU AGREES.

[Fescue4u]

57. Interesting point

I'll chew on it.

I do believe there is a difference, but I promised to tone it down, so I'll defer for now.

[Q]

47. Jesus...would someone tell this bigot to tone it down?

- If you're black then you've never learned the lessons of prejudice.

[Fescue4u]

56. Fine..I give up

And I'll tone it down (im being sincere)

I admit I came off to strong, but to pretend that every thing over there is perfect is wrong as well.

As soon as you start ignoring a certain population in Iraq, thats the population that will start (or continue) carrying the bombs that kill our men.

At airports here, we check everyone, why should we do less in a war zone?

[_Jumper_]

62. You are an anti-Muslim bigot and racist against Iraqis

You ought to be tombstoned.

[Fescue4u]

63. Are you threatening to kill me???????

OMG!!

I cant believe what I just seen.

[_Jumper_]

64. LMAO

Tombstoned=Banned from DU.

Anti-Jewish, anti-black, and anti-Hispanic bigots are quickly banned from here. If DU you believes in equal treatment for Muslims you will be banned.

[Fescue4u]

67. oh..ok.

pardon my ignorance.

Well, Im none of the things you describe.

[Yavin4]

27. Michael Jackson Has Just Volunteered to Search The Little Boys

Anything for his country.

[DinahMoeHum]

69. LMAO !! I gotta clean the keyboard !

...and catch my breath.

:evilgrin:

[xultar]

54. That's gonna win us some friends! n/t

[Fescue4u]

70. Blanket appology..

Folks, Im sorry for offending some...

That wasnt my intention and the conversation got way off track due to some gratutious remarks of mine.

(I know that won't be enough for some, but thats all I can do)

sincerly..

[_Jumper_]

72. LOL

This is an attempt to prevent being banned. You exposed yourself as an anti-Muslim bigot, and if Muslims are accorded the same respect that other groups are here, you will be banned.

[Fescue4u]

74. As I said...

It won't be good enough everyone.

[Q]

73. Anger is understandable...

...but basically lumping all Muslims together as 'terrorists' is unacceptable in a world where they're being persecuted for the color of their skin and the crime of living in the same country as those who want to harm US soldiers.

- Muslims are not the enemy. If the truth be told...George Bush* is the true enemy of the United States.

[leftchick]

81. Ahhh.... Q....

If only that Truth be told........

[Fescue4u]

85. no doubt.

As I've mentioned in other posts, I don't blame all Muslims, but the hatred of some in this thread cannot see that.

As to your other point, I agree, GWB is a bigger threat to the US than any Muslim, or any other religion/nationality/race or whatever.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

79. Now do us a favor and leave. Take your "gratuitous remarks" with you.

[Fescue4u]

80. As I said...

It won't be good enough for everyone.

But I prefer to stay and fight the Bush machine.

[_Jumper_]

82. Hit alert

We need to make a stand against this bigotry. Muslims should be accorded the same respect other minorities are on DU.

[Fescue4u]

83. Now you are sounding like a freeper!

Geez. Just like a freeper to not accept an appology and keep harping on the past.

[_Jumper_]

86. Did you accept Trent Lott's "apology"

:eyes:

[Fescue4u]

87. lol! Good point

No I didnt, because I didnt feel that it was sincere.

[redqueen]

76. Sweet Lord...

what the hell are they thinking?

We have female soldiers -- they should be doing it!

*shakes head sadly*

[newyawker99]

90. I am locking this thread.

It has become too inflammatory.


NYer99
DU Moderator