Clark and the Anti-military people

[RandomUser]

Someone on the CCN posted an insightful article about why she switched from Kucinich to Clark.

That article (http://artemisia.forclark.com/story/2003/11/23/111259/00) was discussed here on this DU thread(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=763191&mesg_id=763191)



Today, she posted another piece, that details her history as an anti-military person, and why she supports Clark.

http://artemisia.forclark.com/story/2003/11/24/12822/032

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. I have NOTHING against the military! I am a PROUD Clark supporter!

I believe in his ideas, hopes, and prospects for America!

Wes Clark is my first choice by a W-I-D-E M-A-R-G-I-N-E!!!!!



:kick:

[RandomUser]

2. Me too

But there is an obvious faction on DU who hold his military service as the primary reason they won't support him. I think Artemisia's two articles give an insightful look at the issue.

[mike_c]

7. I'm one of those people....

I was VERY IMPRESSED by Clark in the Iowa debate today. I would dearly love to hear him debate dumbya. But I'm still very uncomfortable with installin a career militarist in the WH. Clark's position on Iraq and "security" reinforces my fears-- in the first instance because he still speaks only in terms of "winning" in Iraq, rather than in terms of admitting that the basic premise was too flawed to win anything. And his closing statement pandered to the same fears that the Bush* administration has exploited since 9/11-- security, security, and more security. I don't want military security without the security of a just and honorable foreign policy.

[helleborient]

3. The links don't seem to be working...

[RandomUser]

4. They seem to now

For a bit, there seemed to be a bit of a problem. But now, it seems like it's working again. Are you still having a problem?

[KittyWampus]

5. I Also Was A Kucinich Supporter Before Switching To Clark

And also initially felt somewhat skeptical of a "miilitary man" running.

However, Clark is much more than "military". He is the exception to the rule.

His excellence, leadership and vision drew me in very quickly.

[roughsatori]

6. I'm anti-Clark but not anti-military

Many of his supporters love to toss out that red-herring. I know it is true for some, but not for myself and some others. That piece, though being written by someone claiming to be a convert, seems like preaching to the Clark choir. Doubt if it will convert any real Democrat Kucicnich supporters.

But if there are any long term Kucinich posters at DU (those whose posts will bear that out when I search your post history) who have already switched to Clark, I would be interested to read a thread by you.

[RandomUser]

8. That's fine

It's fine for you to be anti-Clark. You're free to be whatever you want and to choose whichever candidate you want. I have no problem with that. As you'll note, I don't candidate bash.

But I do take exception to this statement.
--Many of his supporters love to toss out that red-herring.--
Kind of like how Clark bashers say Clark supporters are "blinded by the four stars"?

Your first statement about the red herring seems to contradict your statement here.
--I know it is true for some, but not for myself and some others.--

No one is saying everyone who hates Clark is hating him because of his military history. But as you stated in the second statement, there are indeed people who dislike Clark primarily because of his military history.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. I honestly think I'm the only one

I honestly believe that I am the only one on DU that is an active supporter of both Kucinich and Clark. I've met them both, given them both money, and posted about them here.

I agree with you about the post - Dean's DU campaign was just as easy to peg as astroturfing when he started, but it's not just astroturf anymore. Clark got a late start, and this stuff comes across as pretty amateurish I think. Remember the "woman in a bath fantasizing about Clark" story? Oh, boy, someone should have either gotten a raise, or fired, for that one! :evilgrin:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

9. I like the idea of a vet, but not a deregulator

I think Clark's military service is an asset, and he has as much if not more of the necessary experience to be president as any of the candidates.

But so far his economic policies have sounded too Republican and too neo-liberal, which is not what we need right now. You could have possibly made an arguement in the Clinton years for that kind of near-Republican policy, but certainly not now.

I'm waiting for Clark's position on corporate power, outsourcing, offshoring, corporate welfare, and regulating corporations in the public interest. That's when I can say I'll definately vote for Clark.

[RandomUser]

10. Corporate Subsidy Reform Commission

I like Clark's proposed Corporate Subsidy Reform Commission. It tackles the congressional pork issue and corporate welfare in a way that makes pragmatic sense. The up/down vote really forces Congress's hand and cuts through the BS backroom deal making of corporate/congress critter graft.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. that sounds very good

Is this on the clark04.com site?

Congressional pork is something that Congress can't really stop at this point.

[RandomUser]

13. Yes, I believe it's in his economic plan

It's located on his site. It's curious that some (not you) who have said that Clark is vague in his policies fail to actually read his policies where there are details like the Corporate Subsidy Reform Commission.

And I agree with you -- congressional pork is something that Congress is systemically unable to address. That's why I think forcing Congress's hand through this mechanism is a good way to address the problem.