Clark rides roughshod over Tweety

[janekat]

Anybody just see Hardball? Clark just rode all over him. In the end, Tweety had to laugh at how Clark "managed" him. You can tell he admired how Clark handled it. I thought Tweety would get mad - but it looked as if he got a "kick" out of how tough Wesley was.

[hlthe2b]

1. thx, Janekat.... any more details for those of us

without MSNBC access? We'd love to hear the juicy details...:7

[janekat]

12. He was on fire - confident

Ignored Tweety's inane question - kept on asking him the same question over and over again about gay marriage. Basically interrupted Tweety and talked over him. It was funny though - because Clark did it in charming way.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

17. Clark Pointed Out To "Tweety" That He Is Underhanded

Clark first commented on the fact that he's not blaming Bush for going after terrorists, but quite the opposite, that he has abandoned the war on terrorism, putting Americans in greater danger. He also suggested that Bush has completely focused on Iraq, neglecting domestic issues like the faltering economy, jobs, and health care.

But the sparks started to fly when he asked Clark where he stood on the issue of homosexual marriage. Matthews had just asked the question of Lieberman, who said he opposed gay marriage. Tweety asked Clark how he felt about it as a private citizen. Clark said he believed in full equal rights, as far as the right of inheritance, insurance, taxes, etc. Tweety then suggested that this was Clark's official position as a candidate and Clark almost accused Matthews of trying to mislead him (as he had asked him how he felt about it as a private individual). Clark seemed to suggest to Matthews that he didn't want to use the term "marriage" but was for laws that would have the same effect of marriage. Matthews wanted him to use that word and Clark refused to use it. Clark made it obvious that Matthews was looking for an inflammatory headline he could spin.

By the way, Chimpy played dress-up again today (link to photo below). No matter how many times Bush wears a military uniform, he still looks like a brain-damaged, ex-alcoholic daddy's boy.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/031124/480/pmm10911242215

[maggrwaggr]

34. how much more proof do we need that "gay marriage" is being shoved

down our throats as the "big" issue of 2004?

They know they can win on this one, and the media is doing thier usual whoring job, as Brokaw did on the debates tonight - - it was his 2nd question!!

It's just disgusting and nobody should take this bait.

[John_H]

19. First russert, then FAUX, now tweety. "Neophyte" Clark gets

what 99 percent of dems can't seem to grasp: if you want to stop the mememaking, the word-twisting, and bashing you have to call the hoes on it RIGHT ON THE AIR IN REAL TIME.

I know y'all are sick of me repeating that, but it is perhaps the single most important strategy of '04. Remember what happened ing 2000? Clark's the kind of guy who would have kicked cici off the fucking plane untilshe started acting like a journalist. Guess what? it would have worked.

[1songbird]

40. He doesn't take any crap and that's a wonderful thing

[cybildisobedience]

41. Hey, John_H, I'm right with ya

I've been saying the same thing, too. First of all, they have to put the interviewer (aka, whore) back on their heels by letting him or her know that they're onto him or her). Then they have to embarass them by saying things like, "Now I know you got your marching orders directly from Karl Rove, but I want to educate the viewers here on what the real issue is." They have to do an end run around the interviewer's attempt to pigeonhole them, or extract a juicy quote that the RNC could use in some typically dishonest ad. Then they have to NOT BACK DOWN!!!!
I'm not even sure where I am with the Democratic candidates yet -- I just want Bush OUT - but I do admire how Wesley Clark, more than the others, seems to grasp this essential truth: You HAVE to call them on their bias and uncover their agenda. And you're right, you have to do it while it's happening, or the average viewer will never piece it all together.

[DemCam]

2. I just watched it...

And Clark did roll over him and it looked like they both enjoyed it immensely.

It is going to be a joy to watch Hardball at Harvard when the General is on December 8th.

Twwety is at his best...so far...when he is in the presence of the General. Way to go, Wes.

[DemCam]

6. Tried to pin him down

and make him say yes or no on gay marriage. Clark, smiling all the time, talked over him and finally told him that he had told him his position but Tweety kept changing on him...had changed him three times. It was a pleasure to watch. Clark had his best twinkle in his eye and so did Tweety.

[FrenchieCat]

7. For now...

Tweety just trying to get a feel on Clark....so that he can try the right attack at Harvard.....

What he doesn't know is that Clark is hip to all that.....

Clark is "handling" Tweety now...and will "Handle" Tweety then.

[DemCam]

22. I think Tweety is gonna be

sweet as ol' honey...on the Harvard Hardball...and with the energy of the audience, I really think everyone will be in their element.

[janekat]

13. Tweety was giggling like a little schoolgirl with a crush

n/t

[SeveneightyWhoa]

14. At least he's got a crush on the right man for once.

Better Clark than his long-time crush, Mr. Bush.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

3. If anybody knows where I can see this on the 'net..

..please let me know! I'd love to see this (I don't have MSNBC).

[Clark Can WIN]

4. I can't wait for that hardball

Mathews is so proud of making people stumble but this is a guy who's gone up against murderous dictators and dozens of other unsavory characters including half of the Pentagon.

Mathews got NOTHIN on the general.

[the_real_38]

5. That was a disturbing exchange ....

... did you see how Matthews was playing that fucking Gay Marriage thing like it was a game? He and Brokaw know that's a wedge issue, some bullshit values issue that should have no prominent place in the debates (and certainly not a more prominent one than the GOP's opposition to any form of abortion - you ever hear them ask George Bush about that one?) . To the media, a bunch of rich guys who never see the way the rest of the US lives, to them it's just a game.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

11. As Bernard Goldberg would call it, "Elitism"...

..although it always seems to fall onto the side of the CONSERVATIVE media, not the so-called "liberal" media. The entire "elitist" media is right-wing pro-Republicans--its outrageous that conservatives like Goldberg could get it oh so wrong.

[Jim Sagle]

27. That's his job.

[DemCam]

8. The great thing that Wes did

was let Tweety know it was a game and he good-naturedly wasn't having any of it.

Nice.

[FrenchieCat]

10. What Matthews

Doesn't know is that soon the game will be up!

[the_real_38]

9. did you see Jesse Jackson?

He came on and called bullshit on Matthews! He called him out on it - and said that Matthews was "hammering away" on a wedge issue. Awesome! He attacked tweety.

[John_H]

15. That was great. Tweety nearly lost it. Then like the weasel he is...

asked the guy from the american spectator if it was a legit issue...
BWAAHAHHA.

[the_real_38]

16. Right, he had some flack on to tell him...

... no Chris, really, it's not a wedge issue, you had him dead to rights, you keep that up, Chris. And from the fucking spectator? The nerve!

[returnable]

39. Actually, it was a stooge from the Weekly Standard

But who can tell 'em apart, anyway? :)

[janekat]

18. I think we're going to see a different Clark from now on....

We're seeing a four star General in action - not afraid of anyone. As Gwen Ifill said in New Hampshire "It's impossible to push around a four star general."

[DemCam]

21. And its about time we have

a top tier candidate who doesn't cower around. In the end...they will all secretly love him for it....

and be in love, just like Tweety.

[MoonRiver]

20. One thing I've always noticed about the General is

how he makes one feel good, secure, and safe. When he was making his daily reports during the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts I wondered how someone who appeared so gentle and kind could be Supreme Commander of NATO forces. He's just awesome. I desperately hope our country is blessed with this wonderful man's leadership.

[DemCam]

23. Wish I could have seen him

But I was in my total boycott of television at the time and never watched one minute of the war coverage.

You great DUers told me all the news so I wouldn't be sick. Now I see I could have watched Clark talk about it.

Who would have known?

[MoonRiver]

26. Yeah, it's interesting for me to go back to my impressions of him then.

His outward appearance just didn't fit my stereotype of a 'general'. Seems there were many different sides to General Clark, however, that we t.v. viewers never knew about. He's a true Renassaince man, humanitarian, and great intellect.

[hlthe2b]

25. Absolutely...

which is why it is really important that we get him on network more, so that a wider cross section of the population can see him. I think he would turn a lot of moderate repubs, not to mention indies, and for sure, we could take a large spectrum of the military back..

[glarius]

28. I'd like to second that....As a non-American I'm hoping you'll elect a

president who realizes there's more to the world than just the U.S.A...General Clark impressed me from the first, when I heard him say he is greatly concerned with the way Bush has alienated your former allies....As one of those allies (Canada) it would be great to be on friendly terms again, like we were with Clinton....:hi:

[MoonRiver]

31. Wouldn't it be great if we could be real friends again!!

Any of the Dem candidates would do that, but the General is the one I believe has the best chance to win. He has all the best Democratic domestic policies. Plus, I think he would be absolutely incredible on the international front.

[glarius]

33. I agree....He's so well informed and there's something very likable

about him....:)

[Blue_Roses]

24. Chris Matthews really needs to get on

some Ritalin for his ADHD. He spits all over himself and he interrupts his guest constantly. He is so annoying.

[Dr Fate]

29. Could Wes generate a "McCain Effect" w/ the media??

???

[Myra]

30. What a coincidence! Not.

Tom Brokaw and Tweety try to hammer General Clark
on this wedge issue on the same day.
Almost like it's coordinated!...

Nah.

[tlb]

32. Not the way I saw it.

Clark was asked a straightforward question , do you support gay marriage or not. He wiggled like a fish on a hook for five minutes refusing to give a yes or no answer.

Clark's positions are "generally" just doubletalk and filabustering. This was just more of the same.

[mikehiggins]

35. Just put your hand in this bear trap, general

tlb, you gotta be kidding. You know what Matthews wanted, and he even admitted it when he told Clark he wasn't getting a quotable answer. Clark isn't in the business of writing the radical right's playbook for them.

He was asked a question and he gave his answer to the question. If it's not an answer Matthews liked OR you like, that's too bad. It's Clark's answer and he's not interested in making it easy for people to attack him.

Was his presentation during the debate doubletalk and filabustering? Not very many people seem to think so.

[dd123]

36. Jeez, I can't believe you guys are ok with all this tap dancing.

Why couldn't he just say yes or no?

I was getting kinda frustrated myself.

[Donna Zen]

37. Tap dancing up the stairs in the White House

The rightwing wants to have a culture war, are suggesting we hand them a loaded gun?

I, along with Chris Matthews, know very well that Clark is not opposed to gay marriage. Ensuring 4 more years of bushco is.

[returnable]

38. tap dancing?

Clark kept trying to explain his position, and Matthews kept interrupting him.

Even Jesse Jackson took Tweety to task for acting like an ass.

Typical Matthews BS, but, hey, it's what he does.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. I saw it

and Tweety looked like he had a "newfound" respect....which the General elicits! :) Tweety was DEFINITELY handled by Clark.

First the FAUX NEWS smack-down and now a Tweety obliteration.....one of these days the RW media will figure out that they aren't dealing with your average politician. :bounce: